Ai + Conan

[Dus]

And what good is a thread like this if you're not gonna talk about the reasons their relationship is unique and cool and superior to the more canon ShinRan pairing?
It wouldn't be the internet anymore if we started to behave like sensible people.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

And what good is a thread like this if you're not gonna talk about the reasons their relationship is unique and cool and superior to the more canon ShinRan pairing?

You can talk about how you like AiCon and leave ShinRan out of it...    but it's pretty much given that people will talk about why they like Aicon more since the pairing are in competition for Shinichi. That's fine and all, but when it reaches the level of "TRUE BELIEVERS can't like ShinRan!!!11!" that it becomes destructive and people get driven away. I would post in the Aicon thread more but it gets so nasty and petty in here that I avoid it most of the time. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

It wouldn't be the internet anymore if we started to behave like sensible people.

I think that about sums it up.

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If they like AiCo and like ShinRan that's fine but if they like ShinRan more then I can see why being here is a problem.

Also if they do like both pairings. Then they can really be that much fans of them can they? Its like liking the Yankees and the Mets. I your a hardcore fan of one then I doubt you'd be a hardcore fan of the other so technically you don't like them on the same level. Which I think is impossible to do.

[Wakarimashita]

Who ever said you even had to be an ultimate AiCon fan to come and discuss here in the first place ? 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Also if they do like both pairings. Then they can really be that much fans of them can they? Its like liking the Yankees and the Mets. I your a hardcore fan of one then I doubt you'd be a hardcore fan of the other so technically you don't like them on the same level. Which I think is impossible to do.

I rest my case.

[Dus]

I agree that slandering ShinRan is a bit juvenile and that this might offend people who support both pairings. It's also pretty much an established fact that Shinichi and Ran will be together in the end and that there's nothing we can do about it (apart from kidnapping Gosho and forcing him to rewrite the ending). This makes ShihoxShinichi virtually impossible and many supporters of AixCon are bitter about that.
So, maybe we should all try and be more tolerant, even if there's no way we will stop critizizing ShinRan.

I also post in the ShinRan thread every now and then although I decidedly dislike the pairing. Everyone can post in this thread, it's a free country.

[xGinx]

I agree that slandering ShinRan is a bit juvenile and that this might offend people who support both pairings. It's also pretty much an established fact that Shinichi and Ran will be together in the end and that there's nothing we can do about it (apart from kidnapping Gosho and forcing him to rewrite the ending). This makes ShihoxShinichi virtually impossible and many supporters of AixCon are bitter about that.
So, maybe we should all try and be more tolerant, even if there's no way we will stop critizizing ShinRan.

I also post in the ShinRan thread every now and then although I decidedly dislike the pairing. Everyone can post in this thread, it's a free country.

Amen and God Bless America!!

[L-]

Also if they do like both pairings. Then they can really be that much fans of them can they? Its like liking the Yankees and the Mets. I your a hardcore fan of one then I doubt you'd be a hardcore fan of the other so technically you don't like them on the same level. Which I think is impossible to do.

I rest my case.

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Well if that's all your gunna say then why did I waste my time typing that. This is starting to be all serious like even though we are in the usual fun having thread so can we stop this >__>

[Eve]

Also if they do like both pairings. Then they can really be that much fans of them can they? Its like liking the Yankees and the Mets. I your a hardcore fan of one then I doubt you'd be a hardcore fan of the other so technically you don't like them on the same level. Which I think is impossible to do.

I rest my case.

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Will if that's all your gunna say then why did I waste my time typing that this is starting to be all serious like in the usual fun having thread so can we stop this >__>

Stopped? discussion about Ai con is good, no stoping plz

[L-]

Also if they do like both pairings. Then they can really be that much fans of them can they? Its like liking the Yankees and the Mets. I your a hardcore fan of one then I doubt you'd be a hardcore fan of the other so technically you don't like them on the same level. Which I think is impossible to do.

I rest my case.

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Will if that's all your gunna say then why did I waste my time typing that this is starting to be all serious like in the usual fun having thread so can we stop this >__>

Stopped? discussion about Ai con is good, no stoping plz

This isn't really discussing it tho

[ProfParanoia]

You are being quite silly. Silliness on the internet? God help us. I don't think there is anything wrong with you liking AiCon. No, just me not finding things to like in ShinRan. I only phrased it in a provocative way to hopefully get you to examine why you believe what you believe. I'm being silly? You're talking about the "provactive" exploration of why I don't like ShinRan. Thinking AiCon is better than ShinRan is fine, but recognize that your preference is an OPINION not a fact. Well of course it's my opinion, that's why it's in my posts. Do I really have to say "imho" in every post like some 3rd grader pading out an essay so nobody gets mad? Otherwise you are simply being dogmatic. My point was that reasonable people can come to the opposite conclusion that ShinRan is better; Ok, am I doing anything on ShinRan threads that keep them from that? and you are failing to sympathize with the fact that normal people can have opinions different from your own. Sympathize? I'm not going to pat their backs because I openly disagree. If they like ShinRan more power too 'em. that's why I'm on the AiCon thread not attacking people on the other thread. This is the reason why ship wars get so ugly. No, it gets ugly by peopling taking every post with the ultimate seriousness. I wouldn't be surprised if it was also the reason the AiCon thread has been losing traction compared to the user increase, because AiCon shippers who like ShinRan as well if not as much get frightened away by the rabid hate that goes on in here. If Yuriko or anyone else is really bothered by my comments on ShinRan I'll keep to myself. Most of the time I make jokes and then I don't know what to tell ya.

Now please, this is the AiCon thread, not the lets talk about why we are on the AiCon thread... thread. If you wish to continue please pm me, it seems better.

@ShinRan FTW.... XD you're so funneh.

[soratothamax]

Looking for the good bits isn't necessary because both pairings have lots of obvious interesting interactions in my opinion. In your opinion, which is perfect, my opinion isn't real, I've falsely convinced myself. No searching is required. There is even some searching for AiCon.
You seem to be convinced that "ShinRan is terrible" is a fact rather than your opinion. look above^ Try thinking from the other side's perspective: somewhere between 67-80% of DC fans like ShinRan more than AiCon, so why don't you get it? I've looked everywhere and every way, it's called searching, I've found nothing good. What's wrong with you? Having an opinion that objectionable means there is something wrong with me? Wow fascist much?
I think it boils down to pairing intolerance. I don't know whether that's a good thing or not. Again, your horse is getting tired.

You are being quite silly. I don't think there is anything wrong with you liking AiCon. I only phrased it in a provocative way to hopefully get you to examine why you believe what you believe. Thinking AiCon is better than ShinRan is fine, but recognize that your preference is an OPINION not a fact. Otherwise you are simply being dogmatic. My point was that reasonable people can come to the opposite conclusion that ShinRan is better; and you are failing to sympathize with the fact that normal people can have opinions different from your own. This is the reason why ship wars get so ugly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was also the reason the AiCon thread has been losing traction compared to the user increase, because AiCon shippers who like ShinRan as well if not as much get frightened away by the rabid hate that goes on in here.

Where do you get your figures from?

Polls.

It all boils down to opinions. The ShinRan interactions are hardly ever obviously interesting in my opinion.

You recognize your pairing preference is your opinion. That's what counts.

I have to agree. Ai fans can be scary...

it is opinion solely. Of course, most are going to like ShinRan because it is the decided canon couple. In order to come up with other couples, someone has to be coming up with their own ideas through their individual brain. Usually, everyone doesn't think the same.

However, whats ironic is a lot of people actually DO see something in AiCon, and it's more than a couple of people. That's rare in any anime where a group of people see potential relationship in a couple besides the canon.

Some people just focus on the canon and don't think anything of other interactions. Me personally, I like to examine interactions between characters and how it helps the story flow, and how charismatic the appeal is. How everyone examines DC is differently, but it's different when people formulate their own conclusions of the story not decided by Gosho...what's rare is when many people come up with the same conclusion..

Thus we have AiCon fans.

Hey I'm not a ShinRan fan, but anyone who knows me knows I'm a RanEisuke fan...so I can't hate Ran...even if I wanted to Some people go as far as to hate the characters themselves. I just hate the relationship. Bottom line. There's no rules to the boundaries that can be crossed. Some people say, "If you like Ran, you're not a true AiCon fan..." But liking AiCon is different than liking the individual character.

So the standards of being a "true" AiConner can vary.

[soratothamax]

@Chekhov Honestly I don't get how you can like every pairing. Unless it's not really liking them just lt not caring about them or just tolerating them.

I care, if not in the same order of magnitude as you, and genuinely like most pairings. It's similar to how I can like Black Org characters like Gin and Vermouth while also liking Shinichi and the FBI at the same time even though they are in opposition to one another. While I like the greater level of interaction more than any one particular pairing (i.e. the triangle), they both generate unique character interactions I enjoy, like Ai's banter with and teasing of Conan and how Conan completely fails to deal with it and Ran's dedication and occasional spikes of jealousy and suspicion Shinichi must placate. So yeah, I've got some kind of zen pairing balance going on.

Interesting. That's actually a good way to be and the reason you are able to examine DC so thoroughly. In my psychology class, I've learned that bias often blinds one to the details. When you release yourself of as many biases as you can, you are able to thoroughly examine the nature of the story.

I'm actually trying to be more open-minded as well. (I used to skip all the ShinRan parts ). But now that I want more details about the story I realized that every little bit should be examined.

[soratothamax]

Idk if I would envy him, seems too perfect in a way. Though, yes, you can find one positive aspect in a lot of things.

From my perspective, it's you who are weird for forcing yourself to dislike one half of a good thing. I mean why limit yourself to only one half when you can have both halves?

I don't like anything about ShinRan. I'm not looking past one half of a good thing. I'm looking past something I view as all bad. I don't honestly see a positive to looking just for the good bits. If you watch a movie that's really bad on all accounts but the sound designee was pretty good, do you continue to be neutral on your view of that movie? Do you become neutral on a book because you like the cover?

Actually, the best way to give a thorough review is to take it bit by bit. Yes, you have to separate the sound designee from the movie. If that bit was good, you give it credit. Criticism is for improvement. If a bit of it was good, in order to improve it is to give it the credit for that bit, and break down the other ideas. Some may be good, some may be bad. If you just simply hate all of it, but exclude the music, all might be changed including the music...

That's how average reviews are done to give a fair analysis. You can't say you hate something if you haven't analyzed it.

Even though I am an AiCon fan, the good I see in ShinRan is it's simple and I do enjoy Ran's jealousy. I also enjoy the shows where she almost finds out that Conan is Shinichi...I can't say I don't enjoy some things about it...but I do enjoy AiCon much more. It's more fulfilling, if you will.

Yea, it might seem perfect to be able to tolerate it all, but it also seems unrealistic when you can't find anything good in something....

[soratothamax]

I almost afraid to ask. was your long post part of a joke, or do you just like confusing people with long post?
Thry already said that long post confuse them and here you are with a long post to confuse them more.
Keep it Simple

No, it wasn't a joke, and I'm pretty sure anyone with a little bit of patience can read through it easily enough. Honestly though, if you think that was confusing, I worry for you.

They should've tried reading my posts....

DC takes a certain mental capacity...it is a mystery story after all...