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Is **SPOILERS** really dead? (491+ discussion)

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Today I was watching the episode where Kir shoots Akai in the head and it got me thinking. In the episode after Kir shoots Akai in the chest region, she appears to point the gun directly at his forehead. This action caught my attention because the Akai look alike person has a scar below their left eye. If this person is Akai then how could the scar mark be below his eyes if he was shot in the forehead? The other interesting thing about Akai look like scar is it starts from the eye and moves diagonally away from his face. This scar leads me to believe that Akai turned and leaned his head back at the last minute to avoid the bullet shot by Kir. If this is the case the Bullet would have Grazed Akai's face and left him a nasty scar that the Akai look alike has.
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I think he is not dead and is currently disguised as Okiya Sabaru. Scar Akai should be no other than Borboun, who is trying to lure the real Akai out.
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of course Akai isn't dead. He just has amnesia.

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Shuuichi Akai wrote: I think he is not dead and is currently disguised as Okiya Sabaru. Scar Akai should be no other than Borboun, who is trying to lure the real Akai out.
If he is disguised as Bourbon, then how come when Gin saw him, he pointed a gun at Kir? Judging by how he and Bourbon are higher-ups, then he would know if Bourbon disguised as Scar Akai.

I believe that Scar Akai is Akai, and has amnesia, just like kkslider said.
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I still think Akai isn't dead and is disguised as Okiya. I have no idea who Scar-Akai is but I don't think he's Bourbon.
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i also think that Scar-Akai is Akai, but i don't believe that the scar was made by the bullet. it doesn't look like one, even if he would turn the had to avoid the bullet. the scar looks more like a scar done by burning
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Isn't there another Thread just like this one and with even the same  Question/Poll as Thread Tittle??
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sakura_85 wrote: the scar looks more like a scar done by burning
well obviously he just barely avoided the Reiha Pass explosion. Hence the burning.
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alicetama wrote:
Shuuichi Akai wrote: I think he is not dead and is currently disguised as Okiya Sabaru. Scar Akai should be no other than Borboun, who is trying to lure the real Akai out.
If he is disguised as Bourbon, then how come when Gin saw him, he pointed a gun at Kir? Judging by how he and Bourbon are higher-ups, then he would know if Bourbon disguised as Scar Akai.

If he would tell Gin, Gin want to kill Akai by himself, but Bourbon wants to do it.
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If Akai dodged the bullet, Gin and Vodka would have noticed it (I think).

My prediction is the same as Girl19 :)
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conia wrote: If Akai dodged the bullet, Gin and Vodka would have noticed it (I think).

My prediction is the same as Girl19 :)
Unless Akai and Kir did it in some sneaky way.
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How a certain person faked his death

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Someone finally made an “is Akai dead?” topic in the general forum! Here's how I think the whole thing went down. See this topic for old discussion related to this.

See also Detective Conan wiki article. The wiki version has nice pictures. Note that I wrote every word of it as of July 6, 2011 so don't be surprised that the text is the same.
Summary
The basic summary of the plan to fake Akai Shuuichi's death is that Mizunashi Rena will meet Akai and will pretend to shoot him. To make it look realistic, blank cartridges and blood packets with small detonators will be used. Akai will pretend to die and fall down in the truck. When Rena is fiddling with the small bomb, Akai places Kusuda Rikumichi's body in his place. He exits the truck when Kir leaves. Meanwhile Jodie Starling will have the one of Conan's two cellphones that has Rikumichi's fingerprints on it. She will think they are Akai's and when she goes to validate the identity of the body with the police, it will match Rikumichi's fingerprints and she will be fooled into thinking Akai died.
Now the details...

Initial Planning
The planning stage - When and why Akai, Kir, and Conan decided that a plan to fake Akai's death was necessary
After the death of Organization agent Kusuda Rikumichi, Akai Shuuichi and Conan went to talk to Mizunashi Rena after getting Hondou Eisuke to "wake her up". They speak with her about sneaking her back into the Black Organization, received her promise to cooperate, and they began to formulate a plan on how to reimplant Rena without the Org rejecting her. At that point, Akai figured that the return Rena plan would make the Org's recovery of Rena seem suspiciously easy, so the Org wouldn't trust Rena and would require her to do some task to regain the boss's trust. Akai, who has experience in the Org and knows how they think, guessed the requested test of loyalty might be to kill him, so he decided to prepare appropriately to be safe. This would be the time frame when the plan to fake Akai's death was formulated.

The planning stage - What items the trio have at hand that will be used in the plan
At their disposal were three important articles: One is Rikumichi's body which will be used as Akai's body double. Presumably the FBI kept the body and the car for investigation because Megure, Takagi, and the news say nothing about a body matching Rikumichi's description during the Shiranpuri case later. Both officers are in the homicide division, and they would probably be called to investigate any case involving a gunshot to the head, even if looked like a suicide. Akai or one of the following FBI agents either transferred the body to their vehicle or drove Rikumichi's car with the body in it to somewhere less conspicuous.
Items two and three are Conan's two identical phones, one with Rikumichi's fingerprints on it from when Conan got him to pick it up back when he was trying to determine which of three patients was the Black Organization operative. The phones will be used to trick the FBI later into thinking Rikumichi's fingerprints are Akai's.

Conan and Akai's preparations: Setting up the phone trick and Akai's body double
In the hospital during the FBI planning meeting, Akai makes a show of taking Conan's phone (not the one with Rikumichi's fingerprints) with his RIGHT hand. It has to be his right hand because that's the one Rikumichi used to handle the phone, Akai would normally handle the phone with the other hand because he is left handed. Jodie has this scene imprinted in her head. Meanwhile, either Conan or Akai steals Jodie's phone and causes it to malfunction, perhaps by dropping it in water like Conan did to Rikumichi's, so Conan has the opportunity to loan Jodie the one with Rikumichi's fingerprints on it. Jodie will assume it was the one Akai handled and be fooled because Conan's phones are identical.
Sometime before Akai and Rena's meeting, Akai and Conan will abscond with and prepare Rikumichi's body to look somewhat like Akai. The time frame for this could be the night before the strategy meeting after the fake death plan was devised or after Rena was returned to the org but before she called to meet with Akai.

Rena and Akai's preparations: Faking the gunshots for the camera
Before Rena is returned to the Org, she and Akai discuss the timing and the location of the fake gunshots. They decide on the lung and forehead for reasons explained later. Akai prepares fake blood packets, small detonators for those blood packets, a small remote to detonate them with, and protectors that go between the skin and the detonators. A setup like this already happened before in the Kaitou Kid and Black Pearl case with Suzuki Sonoko's mother and the magician Sanada Kazumi (V16.8), so it isn’t unprecedented. Rena will need to procure blanks (from the FBI most likely), perhaps crimped ones per Akonyl’s(?) suggestion to minimize the chance of injuring Akai. She might carry a few different calibers for different models of handguns in case. She will have to hide them on her person well since she will be under watch and may be searched by the Org.

Akai and Rena's meeting
Before Rena and Akai meet
With Akai, Kir, and Conan's prepwork done, the FBI plan to return Rena with the vans takes place and Rena successfully returns to the Org, and as predicted is tasked with killing Akai right away. Akai gets the expected call from Rena. He stops James Black from calling Jodie to prevent the other FBI from interfering with the plan. Akai heads out after loading Rikumichi's body in the backseat of his truck. Yes, his model truck probably has a backseat/extended cab because of the rear side windows. (This was discussed in the Manga version of this thread extensively.) He could have also loaded Rikumichi's body in the bed of his truck which was covered (608.11) and moved the body to the backseat when he reached Raiha pass before meeting Kir. Meanwhile, Conan passes the phone with Rikumichi's fingerprints off to Jodie.
At Raiha Pass, Akai scouts out ahead and drives in from the other side so the car is on the side of the guard rail that has the drop. Basically, he plans on scrambling out of the detonating truck just like Camel did earlier when returning Rena to the Org. He needs to be on the side with guard rail and the drop for it to work.

Blood packet placement and Akai's strange behavior while getting shot
When Rena goes to shoot Akai, Akai keeps his right hand in his pocket during the whole ordeal. That is unnatural, especially after having been shot once; it is more natural to have one hand cover the wound while putting the other in front to protect himself. Akai couldn't do that however, because he had to push the detonator for the blood packets. The shot to the head was above Akai's hat line which makes it possible for a fake blood packet to fit under there. As for the bleeding from the mouth, Akai could have bit open a small packet he was carrying inside his mouth (it had to be small or else his speech wouldn't be clear) or bit his tongue (ouch).
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Disappearing blood trails indicate Akai's body was switched out
After Rena shoots Akai and he falls down in the seat, Akai's face has a blood trail running down it; later after Rena planted the bomb, the lower half of Akai's face and his body is visible, yet the blood trail is gone. Akai's head is also positioned differently. There is no way Gosho would make a critical art mistake in this panel. There is no reason for Rena to wipe the blood off Akai's face, nor is she shown doing so. This is direct proof the body was somehow tampered with or switched by someone other than Kir.
Spoiler: disappearing blood trails manga pictures
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Spoiler: Akai's death from the anime
Rena uses psychological traps to trick Gin
Rena used psychological traps to trick Gin into overlooking that she and Akai could have predicted enough details of the assassination plan to concoct a trick. Rena manipulates her conversations with Gin by suggesting possible courses of action and making requests which she already knows will definitely be rejected by him. These rejected requests subconsciously manipulate Gin into falsely assuming that Rena had wanted or planned on having things as she requested and had not anticipated his demands. The result is that Gin fallaciously believes that he was in control and Rena could not have plotted anything in advance.
The psychological trap was used when Gin told Rena how she was going to kill Akai. Rena suggested alternate options like Gin and company would surround Akai to shoot him, and that she would like some extra time to prepare - both requests Gin denied.

Additionally, Rena and Akai planned another psychological trap for Gin with the placement of the gunshots. Rena and Akai decided to pick a fatal- but not quickly so- lung shot for the site of the first “shot”. Rena will then say “that’s good enough, he will die quickly anyway”, but Gin will be sure to object and order her to finish him in the head where it’s certain. Rena will then deliver the coup de grâce that Gin ordered. Of course, Rena and Akai knew in advance Gin would ask for a headshot in these circumstances because Gin would not want to leave anything up to chance. The trap is forcing Gin ask for the shot specifically by himself because it is hard to escape from the fallacious thought that "this couldn’t be planned in advance because I alone specifically asked Kir to shoot Akai in the head with no forewarning."

Conveniently timed police arrive giving Akai and Kir time to complete the plan while avoiding additional scrutiny
After Rena delivers the shots, she is interrupted by police heading her way. They were probably called on purpose to force Gin to order Kir to leave and not examine things more closely. Kir walks over to the hood of Akai's truck to prepare the bomb which means the inside of the truck is not visible. Akai switches places with Rikumichi's body at this time. Kir places the bomb by the already switched body and leaves, which gives Akai more time to maneuver without the camera watching him. He left his phone in Rikumichi's pocket, and he also put the right hand of the body in the pocket as well to make sure Rikumichi’s right-hand fingerprints survive and can be tested later against Conan’s phone for a match to complete the trick. The bomb has the additional effect of destroying Rikumichi’s face and obscuring the powder burn from the self inflicted gunshot wound.

The identity of the accomplices who would have timed the accident is unclear at this point. Agasa and Conan were tied up with the Shiranpuri case at the time, so someone else must have been involved. The FBI we have met so far don't seem to know Akai faked his death, so it would have to be someone else whom Akai trusts. Yukiko is likely because she was discovered to be helping Okiya with the disguise.

Conan checks his phone to see if the plan worked
After Jodie goes to the police to verify the fingerprints on the phone she borrowed from Conan match the body's prints, she returns his phone and Conan checks it right away. Conan notes the serial number is different which means that the police kept the original phone as evidence, and thus the plan was a success. The reason for Conan's inspection could be that should something not work out properly, the plan would change so that Rena really would kill Akai. If Akai really died, Rikumichi's fingerprints on the phone would not match the dead Akai's and the police would return Conan's original phone. Conan is relieved to see the police kept his phone as evidence and gave him a new phone meaning everything did go according to plan. Later when Eisuke tells Conan "it sounds like there is a heavy atmosphere over the FBI, like someone died," Conan smiles to himself and thinks "that is OK" because Conan knows the fake death plan succeeded.

Fool your friends to fool your enemies
The reason the other FBI, including Jodie, were left out of the fake death plan is the same reason why the FBI were also left out of the plan to return Rena with the three vans. Conan, Akai, and Rena needed everyone to react realistically to Akai's death. This wound up being a good idea because Vermouth checked out Jodie and James Black. If you subscribe to the scar Akai is Bourbon theory, then it also means Bourbon probed Jodie and Camel as well.

Authorial device inspired arguments
Although not strictly "in-universe" evidence, inductive arguments that Akai survived can be made in light of Aoyama Gosho's recurring literary devices and authorial tendencies.

No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.
Excluding than Akai's apparent death, Gosho Aoyama has never killed off any character who has been in more than one case, much less a protagonist. The closest situation was the flashback to the death of Jinpei Matsuda in "The Trembling Police Headquarters" arc, but it was stated he died at the outset. Gosho has had 600 chapters to set a precedent.

Raiha Pass is a reference to Reichenbach Falls
The place name Raiha Pass, the location where Akai supposedly died, is derived from Reichenbach Falls, the location where Sherlock Holmes and James Moriarty apparently fell to their deaths at the end of The Final Problem. It is later revealed that Sherlock survived the fall, but decided to fake his own death and go into hiding in order to protect himself from Moriarty's henchmen.

Problems with this theory
The gunshot in Rikumichi’s body is through his temple, but when Akai “died”, he received a gunshot directly to his forehead from the center. Also Rikumichi didn’t have a lung shot. The second shot could be added later post mortem, but the coroner might be able to tell even with the burning. Only Rena and the Org. know that Akai was shot from the front. Only the FBI, Conan, and possibly Rena if told later know that Rikumichi shot himself through the temple. If the Org. looked into the police report they might discover the discrepancy, but it is unlikely they would endanger their secrecy sniffing about a police investigation when they saw Akai killed in front of them. Note that the police never mentioned any specifics about the body; they just said there were a many mysteries about it.
The second and perhaps more serious problem is using blanks at a close range. Although blanks lack the bullet part, the weapon will still discharge a cloud of hot gas called muzzle blast that will burn at close range. Also, if the blank has a wad of paper of the like replacing the bullet or if there is shrapnel in the gun, it can be propelled out at high speed and be lethally driven into the body at close ranges. Akonyl pointed out that “crimped blanks” exist which lack a potentially lethal wad, but that wouldn’t do anything for the hot gas. It’s possible Gosho has ignored the actual dangers of blanks for dramatic license.

Long post is long so I may have forgot something. Sorry.
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This topic is not manga spoilers - it's Red vs. Black (595-6

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Jd- wrote: Edited title, just in case newcomers come by and--
Is this really necessary? Why don't you rewrite the subject as "is Akai really dead? episode XXX case discussion" so everyone knows it is a discussion about an old case, not the recent stuff.
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Re: Is **SPOILERS** really dead?

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This may have been explained at some point, but I wonder why Jodie checked the fingerprints of the body in the car against the ones on Conan's cell phone rather than running them through the FBI database (wouldn't Akai's prints be in there)?

I guess if Chekhov's theory is true, Gosho might not have wanted those prints run against Akai's in the database. :P Or is there some reason why Jodie wouldn't have been able to access the database or why Akai's prints wouldn't have been there?
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