A Possible Questionable New theory Hairbaba still Bo?

[Abs.]

I think it is something else - perhaps something the Miyanos were trying to replicate by making APTX 4869.

My money's on this.

Then let me ask an very old question. Vermount takes Protype 4869. And get younger.As some say :"if it is not broke, Do not fix it. Why then did they not stop there? why make it become 4869?

You're making a leap here.  What caused Vermouth's inability to age (or ability to de-age) may not have been anything to do with the organization at all.  Whatever it was may have been lost in some way or another, many years ago.  Or maybe not lost at all, and Vermouth's just not telling.

[sstimson]

The reason why Gin was asking her how she got out of the chamber because there were no evidences such things as:
1) There are no blood in the scene
Which means that she didn't cut her hand off....

2) There are no scratches or any evidences that the handcuff was touched
3) The handcuff was not unlocked
Which means that it was a mystery how Sherry was able to free herself from the handcuff without using keys nor scratching it. (it wasn't even open)

4) She was locked in the chamber
That's why Gin wanted to make sure if there is no one else who had helped her escape.... (he suspected if someone with the key helped her to escape)

And this is where we agree to disagree. By my theory this escape never happened. But for the moment lets say it did. Again the question is to use the character of Gin to guess how he would handle this. In my option since an escape would be on his head. He would do all he could to avoid that. This means Searching Sherry completely clothes, body and all. Use a pair of handcuffs he just got and make sure he is the only one who has keys. This makes a person being able to  help Sherry escape impossible. You could add a guard outside and Live video surveillance. This way there is almost no way to escape out the door.This again raises the question of how she got out if she had no help. Add to the evidence A locked door again with him having the only key, and there being a laundry chute in the room makes it even more likely he would logically figure out how she got out.To put it another way. He must know she shrank.

The truth:
Sherry had shrunk by drinking the APTX4869. It was meant to kill her but there was a side-effect on it. By shrinking into a child, her hand was smaller and she was released from the handcuff. She then used somewhat rubbish chute (i don't know what exactly that is) to get out of the chamber which would lead her out.

Since there was no left out evidence, Gin wanted to know how she escaped. Since Gin and the others do not know the side-effect that the APTX4869 had. Impossible theories such as teleportation does not count. Therefore, Ai is being hunted because she might tell about the existance of the Black Organisation and the Organisation might get caught. From seeing this, she's a great threat to the Organisation.

[sstimson]

Yea but, having to send Vermouth? And Sending Bourbon too? Makes me think that they don't have a lot of assasins after all. Still seems a lot of effort to kill off one girl.

It's likely Shiho knows a lot of B.O. secrets. More than once, she has said something along the lines of "the people you call the men in black". I think one of the times she said this line was when she was holding the flower gun to Conan's head in desperate revival. The manga translation is  poor for this chapter if I remember correctly, so check the DCTP subs for this. Assuming this is translated correctly, then that would imply Shiho knows another name for the "men in black" which she hasn't told Conan about. It might be the syndicate's true name - which is supposed to connect to the identity of the boss according to the Conan drill (I think that's the source anyway...)

Spoiler:

You mean to tell me that Gin who is smart, can not look at the unbroken, unscratched handcuffs and realize that the olny possible way to escape is either to shrink, or being a robot. If she had used a key, there would have been evidence of such. You mean to tell me that Gin can be that dumb. As I do not think that is possible, It could be one more proof for my theory.

Spoiler:

So what are the possiblities for how she got out of the handcuffs? She might have picked then but there are no scratches and you know she did not has a key. Plus a closer look shows that no key has been used. You are left with three impossible possibilities 1) she teleported out.
But as far as you know Teleporters do not yet exist. 2) She removed her hand. As there is no blood at the scene, you know she did not cut it off. That means that in order for that method to work she would need to remove a hand and then re-screw it on. But as far as you know she is not a robot or has a fake hand. You make sure that the hand you cuffed was real. You have hear rumors about younger mice and you know what the BO is really about. So the third choice becomes the only one left and must be the right one. Somehow she shrink.

I think Gin suspects Sherry had help escaping the room. Specifically I think he believes Akai Shuuichi or another traitor helped somehow. It makes far more sense than Shiho shrinking. The circumstances of how she was locked up aren't known so it isn't clear what escape possibilities exist so speculation isn't really helpful. In general, an accomplice might be able to pass a key up through the laundry shaft/whatever she escaped through.
Also, Shiho seems to have kept the shrinking mouse thing secret, otherwise Shinichi's missing body and Conan appearing would have set off alarm bells.

Read the above on how to remove the possibility of a helper. Anyway back to my theory.

1) This never happened. (After all she is still in the BO). She just told Conan it did. The only person knowing the truth would be Sherry.
2) Higher ups KNOWN about the Drug. THEY know Sherry and Shinichi shrank! This means Gin knows.
3) You meantioned once about the two underling killing Conan and company. If this theory is true then as it is a big show, their guns if not in on it would be harmless or might be loaded with sleeping bullets. ( Remember  If they can use blanks at point blank range and not kill, then why not sleeping bullets.)
4)This theory means that Akai Shuuichi would be in on it. His 'getting caught' could be part of the greater BO plan.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

And this is where we agree to disagree. By my theory this escape never happened. But for the moment lets say it did. Again the question is to use the character of Gin to guess how he would handle this. In my option since an escape would be on his head. He would do all he could to avoid that. This means Searching Sherry completely clothes, body and all. Use a pair of handcuffs he just got and make sure he is the only one who has keys. This makes a person being able to  help Sherry escape impossible. You could add a guard outside and Live video surveillance. This way there is almost no way to escape out the door.This again raises the question of how she got out if she had no help. Add to the evidence A locked door again with him having the only key, and there being a laundry chute in the room makes it even more likely he would logically figure out how she got out.To put it another way. He must know she shrank.

Well, rest assured I am going to disagree. It is specious to base a conclusion (that Gin must be able to figure out Sherry shrunk) on unsupported speculation (that all these security measures actually existed). We have no idea what kind of security or lack of it was present when Shiho was locked up. Heck, we don't even know if Gin was the one responsible for locking her up. The anime and the movies imply it was Gin and Vodka, but that scene isn't in the manga; it isn't known who confined her.
If the organization used all the security measures you suggested, then maybe yes, Gin could figure it out. If. They probably didn't do these things, after all Shiho managed to smuggle in an APTX and had a free hand to take it with. If whoever locked her in was paranoid about her escaping, they wouldn't have let her have a free hand because she could use it to pick the handcuff lock with a carefully smuggled tool if she had one. If the security didn't catch the APTX pill, they probably wouldn't catch the lockpick. Likewise, if security wanted to be absolutely sure she could not escape, they wouldn't have left her alone in the room. They also wouldn't lock her in a room with a laundry shoot or whatever it was because someone could pass something up through it. Obviously there was no video surveillance in the room because they would have looked at that and saw Shiho shrink. I assume some dumb lackey had the key for the handcuffs unless Gin wanted to personally stop by every three or four hours to escort Shiho to the toilet.
Because of the evidence I presented above suggesting security was not totally airtight, I think there is reasonable room for Gin to suspect that Shiho escaped with a method other than shrinking, even if it would be very difficult or require incredible luck to pull off. This conclusion seems to be supported by the fact that Gin still doesn't seem to know Sherry shrunk - shrinking adults is pretty much a last resort theory, so Gin must have other possibilities he hasn't already ruled out.

And since I know you are probably going to ask why the security wasn't tighter, the Org didn't think it was necessary. Shiho didn't think there was any hope of escape and that she was definitely going to be killed - she said so herself in chapter 179. She tried to take the APTX to commit suicide. Even though Shiho escaped, the reason she managed to wasn't expected even by her, so basically the security was just fine so long as something freakishly bizarre like adults shrinking into children didn't occur.

3) You meantioned once about the two underling killing Conan and company. If this theory is true then as it is a big show, their guns if not in on it would be harmless or might be loaded with sleeping bullets. ( Remember  If they can use blanks at point blank range and not kill, then why not sleeping bullets.)

I have no idea what a sleeping bullet is. Blanks are real things, but sleeping bullets would be an ass pull. (warning TVTropes! I take no responsibility for lost productivity.) Something intended to knock someone out without damage would not make holes in crates and break bottles like Pisco's bullets did.

[Kor]

Sstimson, if Shinichi didn't shrink, he would NEVER EVER think of the possibility that the "culprit shrank and got away". The same should go for Gin. Thinking of such possibility is absurd.

3) You meantioned once about the two underling killing Conan and company. If this theory is true then as it is a big show, their guns if not in on it would be harmless or might be loaded with sleeping bullets. ( Remember  If they can use blanks at point blank range and not kill, then why not sleeping bullets.)

I have no idea what a sleeping bullet is. Blanks are real things, but sleeping bullets would be an ass pull. (warning TVTropes! I take no responsibility for lost productivity.) Something intended to knock someone out without damage would not make holes in crates and break bottles like Pisco's bullets did.

never heard of "sleeping bullets" (dunno much about bullets, but I'm pretty sure it's impossible for them to put you to sleep......mainly because they are freaking bullets), but I do know about "sleeping darts" (as shot from guns as well), but darts wouldn't damage stuff like Pisco did, nor could Pisco's gun actually fire darts. Not to mention that a B.O. member who shoots darts would be stupid.
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[sstimson]

You once ask the main reason for this theory. Well I found the panel I was looking for and here it is.

Spoiler:

Note She takes three panels to say this: Kudo, you would never dream that you are already part  of the Black Organization Project.
With the way the Bo works, I would think that They would take no chances with this experiment. They do not seem to be the kind to waste time and resources. I am very sure that they are watching their project very closely, and Thus the theory.

Also this is the scene we are discussing.

Spoiler:

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And this is where we agree to disagree. By my theory this escape never happened. But for the moment lets say it did. Again the question is to use the character of Gin to guess how he would handle this. In my option since an escape would be on his head. He would do all he could to avoid that. This means Searching Sherry completely clothes, body and all. Use a pair of handcuffs he just got and make sure he is the only one who has keys. This makes a person being able to  help Sherry escape impossible. You could add a guard outside and Live video surveillance. This way there is almost no way to escape out the door.This again raises the question of how she got out if she had no help. Add to the evidence A locked door again with him having the only key, and there being a laundry chute in the room makes it even more likely he would logically figure out how she got out.To put it another way. He must know she shrank.

Well, rest assured I am going to disagree. It is specious to base a conclusion (that Gin must be able to figure out Sherry shrunk) on unsupported speculation (that all these security measures actually existed). We have no idea what kind of security or lack of it was present when Shiho was locked up. Heck, we don't even know if Gin was the one responsible for locking her up. The anime and the movies imply it was Gin and Vodka, but that scene isn't in the manga; it isn't known who confined her.

Granted.

If the organization used all the security measures you suggested, then maybe yes, Gin could figure it out. If. They probably didn't do these things, after all Shiho managed to smuggle in an APTX and had a free hand to take it with. If whoever locked her in was paranoid about her escaping, they wouldn't have let her have a free hand because she could use it to pick the handcuff lock with a carefully smuggled tool if she had one. If the security didn't catch the APTX pill, they probably wouldn't catch the lockpick.

As far as the BO is concerned, The pill was a poison. As they were planning on killing her anyway. If she took the pill, it would save them the trouble of killing her. So I think they let it pass and may have even let her think they did not know about it.

Likewise, if security wanted to be absolutely sure she could not escape, they wouldn't have left her alone in the room. They also wouldn't lock her in a room with a laundry shoot or whatever it was because someone could pass something up through it.

It was a chamber. And later Gin called it a Gas chamber.

Obviously there was no video surveillance in the room because they would have looked at that and saw Shiho shrink. I assume some dumb lackey had the key for the handcuffs unless Gin wanted to personally stop by every three or four hours to escort Shiho to the toilet.
Because of the evidence I presented above suggesting security was not totally airtight, I think there is reasonable room for Gin to suspect that Shiho escaped with a method other than shrinking, even if it would be very difficult or require incredible luck to pull off. This conclusion seems to be supported by the fact that Gin still doesn't seem to know Sherry shrunk - shrinking adults is pretty much a last resort theory, so Gin must have other possibilities he hasn't already ruled out.

And since I know you are probably going to ask why the security wasn't tighter, the Org didn't think it was necessary. Shiho didn't think there was any hope of escape and that she was definitely going to be killed - she said so herself in chapter 179. She tried to take the APTX to commit suicide. Even though Shiho escaped, the reason she managed too wasn't expected even by her, so basically the security was just fine so long as something freakishly bizarre like adults shrinking into children didn't occur.

3) You meantioned once about the two underling killing Conan and company. If this theory is true then as it is a big show, their guns if not in on it would be harmless or might be loaded with sleeping bullets. ( Remember  If they can use blanks at point blank range and not kill, then why not sleeping bullets.)

I have no idea what a sleeping bullet is. Blanks are real things, but sleeping bullets would be an ass pull. (warning TVTropes! I take no responsibility for lost productivity.) Something intended to knock someone out without damage would not make holes in crates and break bottles like Pisco's bullets did.

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[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Note She takes three panels to say this: Kudo, you would never dream that you are already part  of the Black Organization Project.
With the way the Bo works, I would think that They would take no chances with this experiment. They do not seem to be the kind to waste time and resources. I am very sure that they are watching their project very closely, and Thus the theory.

Haibara's quote at the baseball game hostage case V-19 file 9 is:
"Kudo-kun? You would probably never even dream that you are already a part of a project the black organization has been working on for over half a century...."

The problem with your interpretation is that you are assuming Shiho is saying the B.O. knowingly made Shinichi a part of the project. I don't think that is the case. Gin and Vodka couldn't control whether Shinichi would follow them that night at Tropical Land when they gave him APTX. It is just as reasonable to interpret that line with the assumption that Shinichi inadvertently became part of the project when was forced to take the APTX, shrank, and survived, even though the rest of the organization doesn't know about it.
You can kind of look at it this way: As long as Shiho, the overseer of the APTX project, knows about Kudo's shrinking, then Shinichi is part of the project even if no other members of the B.O. know about it.

[sstimson]

Note She takes three panels to say this: Kudo, you would never dream that you are already part  of the Black Organization Project.
With the way the Bo works, I would think that They would take no chances with this experiment. They do not seem to be the kind to waste time and resources. I am very sure that they are watching their project very closely, and Thus the theory.

Haibara's quote at the baseball game hostage case V-19 file 9 is:
"Kudo-kun? You would probably never even dream that you are already a part of a project the black organization has been working on for over half a century...."

The problem with your interpretation is that you are assuming Shiho is saying the B.O. knowingly made Shinichi a part of the project. I don't think that is the case. Gin and Vodka couldn't control whether Shinichi would follow them that night at Tropical Land when they gave him APTX. It is just as reasonable to interpret that line with the assumption that Shinichi inadvertently became part of the project when was forced to take the APTX, shrank, and survived, even though the rest of the organization doesn't know about it.
You can kind of look at it this way: As long as Shiho, the overseer of the APTX project, knows about Kudo's shrinking, then Shinichi is part of the project even if no other members of the B.O. know about it.

First the Fun way:

Gosho Aoyama as creator of this series is without question the leader of the Boss of the BO. What he says, happens. He had Gin go to an amusement park and He brought the Pills he gave Conan with him. It was his intent all along for Shinichi to take the Pill and become Conan. That is the whole idea behind Detective Conan Manga. I would say therefore the BO and its creator knowingly Gave Shinichi the Pill to become Conan.

Ok Second way. We know Sherry knew about the mouse. I am sure she must report to the higher UPs what is happening in her experiments. This means at Least the Boss MUST know about the Drug and the fact that sometimes it does not kill but make younger. I believe that Sherry's reports are very complete.

I also believe that the Boss knows about the Great Detective Kudo Shinichi. He might also know how smart Kudo's Father is. Kudo could be a thorn in the BO's side if he is allowed to continue. It is possible that Kudo will stick his nose in the BO business and 'ruin' everything. He hears about the mouse and knows that that mouse ( if this other theory is True ) was acting smarter then the other mice. He watched Vermount take something and get younger. ( I still think it was the drug that Sherry and Shinichi took as that would be the simpleist reason for her youth. He see a way to kill two birds. And sends Gin to the Park to make sure Shinichi is given the Drug. He is keeping track of a possible threat Kudo Shinichi and knows they will be going to a park. Gin After the "removed Head" Case makes sure Kudo is following him and hit him with the bat to only knock him down. He then Gives him the Drug. The BO could have learned about the Park by asking Ran's friends who Ran might have told about her date with shinichi and where they were going.

Now a question for you. We know Gin hit Shinichi with Bat. If Shinichi had died that would have showed up. So why the following:
1)Why not just kill Shinichi with the bat.
2) did Gin not Hit Shinichi Harder. Shinichi was wake when the Drug was put in his system
3) Why did gin not take Shinichi to a better place to kill him.

[Kor]

I also believe that the Boss knows about the Great Detective Kudo Shinichi. He might also know how smart Kudo's Father is. Kudo could be a thorn in the BO's side if he is allowed to continue. It is possible that Kudo will stick his nose in the BO business and 'ruin' everything. He hears about the mouse and knows that that mouse ( if this other theory is True ) was acting smarter then the other mice. He watched Vermount take something and get younger. ( I still think it was the drug that Sherry and Shinichi took as that would be the simpleist reason for her youth. He see a way to kill two birds. And sends Gin to the Park to make sure Shinichi is given the Drug. He is keeping track of a possible threat Kudo Shinichi and knows they will be going to a park. Gin After the "removed Head" Case makes sure Kudo is following him and hit him with the bat to only knock him down. He then Gives him the Drug. The BO could have learned about the Park by asking Ran's friends who Ran might have told about her date with shinichi and where they were going.

This whole theory is based on too many "What if's" which don't have any evidance. You're basically saying that the boss could see the exact term of events for whatever happened, but that would be impossible. If Shinichi was such a threat, why to not just kill him?

1)Why not just kill Shinichi with the bat.
2) did Gin not Hit Shinichi Harder. Shinichi was wake when the Drug was put in his system
3) Why did gin not take Shinichi to a better place to kill him.

1) if you have poison that wouldn't leave evidence behind, why to not use that? seems much more clean than smashing Shinichi's body.
2) Maybe Shinichi is just strong enough to not pass out after the hit? Why do we need to assume that Gin just didn't hit hard enough?
3) The drug would leave no evidence so what does it matter? Also, if you carried around with you a teenage boy with a head injury, won't it make you look suspicious? 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Gosho Aoyama as creator of this series is without question the leader of the Boss of the BO. What he says, happens. He had Gin go to an amusement park and He brought the Pills he gave Conan with him. It was his intent all along for Shinichi to take the Pill and become Conan. That is the whole idea behind Detective Conan Manga. I would say therefore the BO and its creator knowingly Gave Shinichi the Pill to become Conan.

Are you actually suggesting Gosho decided to write himself into the story as the boss? ...  Please tell me you aren't actually seriously suggesting this as evidence.

Ok Second way. We know Sherry knew about the mouse. I am sure she must report to the higher UPs what is happening in her experiments. This means at Least the Boss MUST know about the Drug and the fact that sometimes it does not kill but make younger. I believe that Sherry's reports are very complete.

It seems like Sherry DIDN'T report the mouse result, otherwise the org would have suspected shrinking Shinichi and Haibara was possible and would be looking into that possibility. So far the org is not looking for little kids and Gin doesn't seem to know how Sherry escaped.

Spoiler:

I also believe that the Boss knows about the Great Detective Kudo Shinichi. He might also know how smart Kudo's Father is. Kudo could be a thorn in the BO's side if he is allowed to continue. It is possible that Kudo will stick his nose in the BO business and 'ruin' everything. He hears about the mouse and knows that that mouse ( if this other theory is True ) was acting smarter then the other mice. He watched Vermount take something and get younger. ( I still think it was the drug that Sherry and Shinichi took as that would be the simpleist reason for her youth. He see a way to kill two birds. And sends Gin to the Park to make sure Shinichi is given the Drug. He is keeping track of a possible threat Kudo Shinichi and knows they will be going to a park. Gin After the "removed Head" Case makes sure Kudo is following him and hit him with the bat to only knock him down. He then Gives him the Drug. The BO could have learned about the Park by asking Ran's friends who Ran might have told about her date with shinichi and where they were going.

Why does the Boss care specifically about Shinichi when there are a lot of other great detectives out there like Kudo Yuusaku, Hattori Heizo, Hattori, or Akai?
Why try to drug Shinichi at a public amusement park while on a date with a friend? That totally does not match known Syndicate MO. It would make a hell of a lot more sense just to kidnap Shinichi while he was alone or lure him out by asking for a case consultation, kidnap him, and drag him off to some laboratory to imprison him and experiment on him.
The general problem with your "Black Org intentionally shrunk Shinichi and is studying him" theory is that it requires the Org and the boss to be idiots. If they wanted a guinea pig, why choose someone as famous as Shinichi who will be missed? Also, most importantly, why let Shinichi wander around freely as Conan while he is actively trying to destroy the Org? It doesn't make any sense.

Now a question for you. We know Gin hit Shinichi with Bat a metal rod/pipe. If Shinichi had died that would have showed up. So why the following:
1) Why not just kill Shinichi with the bat metal rod/pipe?
2) Why did Gin not hit Shinichi Harder. Shinichi was awake when the drug was put in his system?
3) Why did Gin not take Shinichi to a better place to kill him?

1) Gin thought it might be fun to test out his new death toy. Maybe he didn't want to get more blood on his clothes. Beating someone to death is usually a messy affair. There are also lots of cops around because of the jet coaster incident.
2) Same as 1
3) People might notice someone dragging a half conscious bloody teenager around and inform the cops which aggregated after the jet coaster incident.

[sstimson]

I also believe that the Boss knows about the Great Detective Kudo Shinichi. He might also know how smart Kudo's Father is. Kudo could be a thorn in the BO's side if he is allowed to continue. It is possible that Kudo will stick his nose in the BO business and 'ruin' everything. He hears about the mouse and knows that that mouse ( if this other theory is True ) was acting smarter then the other mice. He watched Vermount take something and get younger. ( I still think it was the drug that Sherry and Shinichi took as that would be the simpleist reason for her youth. He see a way to kill two birds. And sends Gin to the Park to make sure Shinichi is given the Drug. He is keeping track of a possible threat Kudo Shinichi and knows they will be going to a park. Gin After the "removed Head" Case makes sure Kudo is following him and hit him with the bat to only knock him down. He then Gives him the Drug. The BO could have learned about the Park by asking Ran's friends who Ran might have told about her date with shinichi and where they were going.

This whole theory is based on too many "What if's" which don't have any evidance. You're basically saying that the boss could see the exact term of events for whatever happened, but that would be impossible. If Shinichi was such a threat, why to not just kill him?

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1)Why not just kill Shinichi with the bat.
2) did Gin not Hit Shinichi Harder. Shinichi was wake when the Drug was put in his system
3) Why did gin not take Shinichi to a better place to kill him.

1) if you have poison that wouldn't leave evidence behind, why to not use that? seems much more clean than smashing Shinichi's body.

My point is there is already evidence. The strike of where Gin hit Shinichi with the bat would show up.
That would mean his death would be looked at closer and might be ruled a murder. As he was already assaulted killing with the bat would not add anything new. Unless you are adding a new theory that before the Drug kills you, it makes your body perfect so how you died becomes a mystery as your body is completely healthy.

2) Maybe Shinichi is just strong enough to not pass out after the hit? Why do we need to assume that Gin just didn't hit hard enough?

Put this another way Why did Gin NOT break Shinichi's back with that swing. Why did Gin not aim for Shinichi's Head. The only reason I can think of is Gin wanted to be able to use the Drug. Another question. Gin being a killer should have many different ways to kill people. A better way in my option to kill someone would be injecting someone with a bubble of air. If injected under the fingernail it would be very hard to find unless you were looking for it. Yes I know you might say Gin forgot to bring his needle with him to which I would say Gin seem to be the kind of person to be VERY prepared.

3) The drug would leave no evidence so what does it matter? Also, if you carried around with you a teenage boy with a head injury, won't it make you look suspicious? 

Gin and Volka could have done the drunken or sick friend thing and no one would have been the wiser.

[sstimson]

Gosho Aoyama as creator of this series is without question the leader of the Boss of the BO. What he says, happens. He had Gin go to an amusement park and He brought the Pills he gave Conan with him. It was his intent all along for Shinichi to take the Pill and become Conan. That is the whole idea behind Detective Conan Manga. I would say therefore the BO and its creator knowingly Gave Shinichi the Pill to become Conan.

Are you actually suggesting Gosho decided to write himself into the story as the boss? ...  Please tell me you aren't actually seriously suggesting this as evidence.

You missed a few words. There are Leader of the Boss of the BO. Think of the BO Boss as a puppet doing what Gosho wants him to do

Ok Second way. We know Sherry knew about the mouse. I am sure she must report to the higher UPs what is happening in her experiments. This means at Least the Boss MUST know about the Drug and the fact that sometimes it does not kill but make younger. I believe that Sherry's reports are very complete.

It seems like Sherry DIDN'T report the mouse result, otherwise the org would have suspected shrinking Shinichi and Haibara was possible and would be looking into that possibility. So far the org is not looking for little kids and Gin doesn't seem to know how Sherry escaped.

Even you Used the word SEEMS so at least you allow the possibility. Question Did Sherry and Only Sherry care for her mice? If not then it is likely someone leaked the rumor about the younger mouse.

Spoiler:

I also believe that the Boss knows about the Great Detective Kudo Shinichi. He might also know how smart Kudo's Father is. Kudo could be a thorn in the BO's side if he is allowed to continue. It is possible that Kudo will stick his nose in the BO business and 'ruin' everything. He hears about the mouse and knows that that mouse ( if this other theory is True ) was acting smarter then the other mice. He watched Vermount take something and get younger. ( I still think it was the drug that Sherry and Shinichi took as that would be the simpleist reason for her youth. He see a way to kill two birds. And sends Gin to the Park to make sure Shinichi is given the Drug. He is keeping track of a possible threat Kudo Shinichi and knows they will be going to a park. Gin After the "removed Head" Case makes sure Kudo is following him and hit him with the bat to only knock him down. He then Gives him the Drug. The BO could have learned about the Park by asking Ran's friends who Ran might have told about her date with shinichi and where they were going.

Why does the Boss care specifically about Shinichi when there are a lot of other great detectives out there like Kudo Yuusaku, Hattori Heizo, Hattori, or Akai?

Shinichi was clearly a press hound as was clear when he returned and was asked if he wanted to go before reporters. Maybe the Boss decided he needed to be brought down a peg or two. Also who is more of a threat? The enemy behind the scenes or the enemy telling all he know and showing off. Can you see what would have happened if Shinichi did one of his detective shows with a BO case before reporters?

Why try to drug Shinichi at a public amusement park while on a date with a friend? That totally does not match known Syndicate MO. It would make a hell of a lot more sense just to kidnap Shinichi while he was alone or lure him out by asking for a case consultation, kidnap him, and drag him off to some laboratory to imprison him and experiment on him.

I think they might have wanted to see what kind of results the drug had in the Wild. Remember they knew his date would not follow them but Shinichi would. It is just in Shinichi make up to find and solve cases. Notice they make sure that Ran did not get involved by setting  up Shinichi with a chase.

The general problem with your "Black Org intentionally shrunk Shinichi and is studying him" theory is that it requires the Org and the boss to be idiots. If they wanted a guinea pig, why choose someone as famous as Shinichi who will be missed? Also, most importantly, why let Shinichi wander around freely as Conan while he is actively trying to destroy the Org? It doesn't make any sense.

The nature of the drug. The effect they were looking for is not for everyone. Only some would the drug make younger. Shinichi Looked like a very good candidate to the drug to work the way they wanted. Also notice that while Shinichi is missing and should have been a missing person, No one thinks that way. The Boss being a Chessmaster
saw that here was a person who could disappear and no one would miss. That raises a Great question. Kudo keeps popping up when is supposed to be dead. There has been no funeral for Kudo. Why would not the Bo find that funny. We know that BOTH Gin and Vodka know who they killed. We know they reported it as Kudo is on a list. They know what that drug is suppose to do. And there has been no report of Kudo death which there should have been as he was a Press Hog. They must know by now that Kudo is alive and not killed by the drug. After Sherry Ran from the BO, all her notes should have become suspect.   Also they might notice who has appeared on the scene when Kudo disappeared. Sorry, but I can not see how the BO could not know that Conan is Kudo unless they are very dumb, but if they were that dumb, then they have the greatest dumb luck in that they have not been caught yet.

Now a question for you. We know Gin hit Shinichi with Bat a metal rod/pipe. If Shinichi had died that would have showed up. So why the following:
1) Why not just kill Shinichi with the bat metal rod/pipe?
2) Why did Gin not hit Shinichi Harder. Shinichi was awake when the drug was put in his system?
3) Why did Gin not take Shinichi to a better place to kill him?

1) Gin thought it might be fun to test out his new death toy. Maybe he didn't want to get more blood on his clothes. Beating someone to death is usually a messy affair. There are also lots of cops around because of the jet coaster incident.
2) Same as 1
3) People might notice someone dragging a half conscious bloody teenager around and inform the cops which aggregated after the jet coaster incident.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Alright. Enough virtual ink has been spilt evading the main reasons why this theory that The BO knows about Conan is not correct. I made an INCOMPLETE list of the various contradictions I could come up with on the spot for the central tenet of this theory. I probably missed one or two major contradictions, but I really don't want to spend more time on this than already have. Proponents of this theory are somehow going to have to resolve all these contradictions.

Before I begin let's make several reasonable assumptions which are all supported by canon material:
1) The boss is not an idiot. He is very cautious as Vermouth stated. Therefore he would not be reckless and make decisions where the risks outweigh the benefits. The boss would also not do things that have no meaning or purpose.
2) The organization's MO is one that tries to maintain the Org's secrecy: leave as little evidence behind as possible (or get rid of all witnesses), use methods which minimize the chance of failure, and don't allow situations that would publicly reveal them.
3) The organization does not want to destroy itself. (Vermouth excluded)

Also in general, we will apply Occam's razor and not use theories or ideas which do not have evidence to support their existence. Also, we will not call upon ideas that are totally out of character for Gosho, would break the story, or would make no sense.

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Shinichi shrunk and the Org knows it and wants to study him. Therefore, Shinichi is a valuable test subject.

>The Org knows Shinichi shrunk and is letting Shinichi wander around freely
>>Contradiction1a! Org Mo failure and boss is an idiot. There are no benefits to allowing Shinichi to wander around freely. Currently Shinichi is free to and is ruining the Org's plans, teaming up with FBI, gathering damaging intelligence, etc. Why not kidnap Shinichi? It would prevent intelligence leaks and keep Shinichi from trying to destroy the org.
>>Contradiction2a! Kidnapping Conan would provide better data because they could keep him in controlled conditions.
> The Org knows Shinichi shrunk, but is not letting Shinichi wander around freely
>>Contradiction1b! Major Org MO failure. If the Org was really keeping Shinichi in check like they are supposed to, they would have let Shinichi... 1) talk about the org to the police, 2) meet or work with the FBI, 3) go on cases where he might get himself killed, 4) learn about unrelated Org plans or other members, 5) try to stop said org plans.
>>Contradiction2b! Major Org MO failure and boss is an idiot. What purpose does placing Conan under "house arrest" serve? It’s absolutely riskier than kidnapping him as it lets Conan do all the things listed above, with no benefit. It’s nonsensical.

>The organization is studying Shinichi, and this means they are watching Shinichi. Thus the Org knows where Shinichi is and what he is doing.
>>Contradiction3a! The Boss is an idiot! If Shinichi is a valuable test subject and the Org knows where Shinichi is and what he is doing, why is the boss allowing Shinchi to be targeted by his own subordinates? Shinichi was seconds from being blown up by a bomb on a train, shot by Pisco, and sniped by Chianti.
>>>The Boss hasn’t told anyone about Conan being Shinichi.
>>>>Contradiction4a2! The boss is an idiot! His own subordinates tried to kill Shinichi a few times already, so why has he not already ordered them to not kill Conan?
>>>>Contradiction5a2! How did the boss manage to figure out Conan was Shinichi, but no one else? (Besides Vermouth.)
>>>>Contradiction6a2! If the boss is the only one who knows, then who is gathering the data for him?
>>>>>Contradiction7a2! Why is the boss doing all the work of investigating Conan himself when he has a whole network of subordinates he can order around to do it for him?
>>Contradiction4a! Org Mo failure and boss is an idiot. The org would refrain from conducting missions when Shinichi was around to keep him from trying to chase them and figuring stuff out.
>>Contradiction5a! Org Mo failure and boss is an idiot. If Shinichi was valuable, they would not have conducted a mission that involved blowing up a train while Shinichi was on said train.
>>Contradiction6a! The boss is an idiot and the Org MO is broken. They would know Conan was interfering in Org missions, yet the BO is allowing Conan to ruin their missions.

>The organization is studying Shinichi, but they aren’t following him around and thus have no idea what he is doing…
>>Contradiction3b! WTF... The boss is an idiot. If you want to study someone, don’t you need to, say … gather data?!
>>Contradiction4b! The boss is an idiot and the Org is trying to destroy itself. Shinichi is actively seeking revenge and working with the enemies of the Org. Ignoring Shinichi would be suicidal.
>>Contradiction5b! The boss is an idiot. The org members might accidentally kill Shinichi resulting in the Syndicate shooting themselves in the foot so to speak.
>>There are many more contradictions for this point but I’m stopping here because this idea is clearly nonsensical.

[Abs.]

Now Chekhov, try proving that Ayumi is not a shemale! 

[sstimson]

Why would the Boss be a idiot? Why could not this experiment not be done in the wild?

My theory has these points.
1) The whole thing was planed.
2) The higher up knows.
3) Hairaba was sent to work on her experiment and at the same time try to protect Shinichi from himself.
4) This experiment HAD to be done in the wild. Controlled would not have given the BO the neccessary data.

Note but for a few new persons The Bo is still basically unknown.  the Cia and the Fbi already knew about the BO even before Shinichi entered the picture. Remember Vermouth helping Protect Shinichi. Also Jodie and Akai on the same Bus. Whether or not That case might have been a BO case remains currently unknown. If it was, then it was a test and under complete BO control.

Train Case. Again another test, and all parties in on it like the 'victim'. Yes the Bomb did explode, but the question is what would have happened if it was not found in time. The bomb might have only been made to explode by remote control and so there was never any real danger.

The Two gunner who shoot at Shinichi MISSED. That Contradiction of 2b.

The boss is an idiot! His own subordinates tried to kill Shinichi a few times already, so why has he not already ordered them to not kill Conan?

He has or Shinichi would be dead many time over. Again Contradiction of 2b.

Why is the boss doing all the work of investigating Conan himself when he has a whole network of subordinates he can order around to do it for him?  Are you saying that Hairaba is the Boss? She the one doing field research. And other BO member are brought in as needed for test of Shinichi

Ever hear of the Xanatos Gambit? I think one of the things is BOSS is doing is playing Speed Chess with Shinichi for likely the same reason KID plays with Shinichi. They need a challenge.

So to correct some of your statements of my theory

The Org knows Shinichi shrunk and is letting Shinichi wander around freely - True
The Org knows Shinichi shrunk, but is not letting Shinichi wander around freely - False
The organization is studying Shinichi, and this means they are watching Shinichi. Thus the Org knows where Shinichi is and what he is doing. - True
The Boss hasn’t told anyone about Conan being Shinichi. - False
The organization is studying Shinichi, but they aren’t following him around and thus have no idea what he is doing… - False