Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[soratothamax]

Shoot, just missing out a few weeks and I'm being blown by almost all possible means of propaganda. Of course, let us not blame anyone just say we can't define truth only because none of us is the creator.

Second of all, when we only learn a part of someone's character no one can disprove that someone else can be the same person. I have a few disagreements with others but the "catfight" I witnessed was beyond my imagination :d

The scientific method is anything but just influence, were that true, Galilei would have renounced his works and we still would think our galaxy is not heliocentric. The other thing that bugged me, when we say oh I don't need facts to prove my opinion, since it's not even a theory. The instrument of progression in science is discourse, the battle of ideas anyone who was part of a polemic club knows that he or she needs to make the solid base for the argument not rarely by starting to refute your own arguments looking for holes. Stating something on the other hand without any base, generalize and relativize, that's science too, it's called pseudoscience and its instrument is propaganda, it's enough to listen to any Kitsune News commentator.

What really happened and happens is the exact mirror, by which I mean trying to locate Kir and making the confusion around the hospital was planned the same way as was Raiha Falls. You can say that it is my opinion, that the Sherlock-quote was "installed" to recognize each other because I can only guess they did prepared for a case of an impostor, as it was mentioned here on the forum a few days ago

Thanks a lot Shinichi Kudo

Now where's your theory?

[Abs.]

"Murderer: Kudou Shinichi" <-- (This is the priming.)

We'll take all Chekhov's reasonings, and add:

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  It isn't unthinkable that someone who has faked his own death to everyone that has ever known him would permanently retire that face along with that identity.

Bourbon (Scar Akai) as well.  This would solve the "duct tape doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  Also, we already have an example of someone undergoing plastic surgery to look exactly like someone they abhor, but being unable to replicate their voice...

This would also lend new meaning to the "it's a face I knew quite well since long ago" phrase Okiya utters after the department store bombing case.  It's past tense...  And not "I know" or "I have known" <-- "I have known" implies that one still knows.
(More accurately, it is 「昔ã

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem. 

To be fair, I think the kick to the face problem could have been solved with a hair straightening session and some dye, but this would work too.

Bourbon (Scar Akai) as well.  This would solve the "duct tape doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  Also, we already have an example of someone undergoing plastic surgery to look exactly like someone they abhor, but being unable to replicate their voice...

Hmm. This is a good point. Gosho has been known to use the non-plot cases to hint things as with Genta's father's glasses in the boar, deer, butterfly case. I kind of like how the result is a visible, deep, psychotic level of hate for Akai. It also might set up for a case of epic face disfiguration. Ace Attorney JFA Spoilers link! I would settle for watching "Akai" go off the wall evil crazy with the disturbing crazy laughing face. Well, Bourbon doesn't seem to hate on mirrors like the previous face stealer did, but he could have more self control. It also might explain why he has been a loner since his comrades might question his sanity a little after seeing what he did to himself. I'm still crossing my fingers for Akemi being Bourbon's reason to hate Akai. The B.O. needs love triangles.

This would also lend new meaning to the "it's a face I knew quite well since long ago" phrase Okiya utters after the department store bombing case. It's past tense... And not "I know" or "I have known" <-- "I have known" implies that one still knows.
(More accurately, it is 「昔から　よーく知った顔だから・・・」 and not 「昔から　よーく知ってる顔だから」 or 「昔から　よーく知ってた顔だから」)

Well, Akai is supposed to be dead so using the past tense in any situation (simple disguise or plastic surgery) would be appropriate.

...That said, I'm not exactly sure how the reveal to Haibara/Shiho would occur if this is indeed the case. Perhaps he doesn't intend on revealing it at all, ever...

This was my only objection to the plastic surgery theory; it would kind of make the "They meet again" plot a little less dramatic. It isn't really a valid objection.

---

When rereading the Kudo Shinichi's homicide chapter, I saw this page again...

Spoiler:

So how does Akai know Hattori's address? Hattori never met Okiya or Akai directly; however, Jodie might have told Akai about the Osakan after the events of the School Play/ Desperate revival case and the "Who are you?" (341-343) case. Jodie did keep Hattori's picture tacked to her board...

Spoiler:

But even so, that would imply Okiya did a bit of background searching on Kudo Shinichi in order to know who his friends are. Well, it confirms my suspicion Akai is a little bit of a stalker likes investigating - he did before he was disguised, but as Okiya we see a lot more of it.

[kirite]

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  

To be fair, I think the kick to the face problem could have been solved with a hair straightening session and some dye, but this would work too.

Hmm the problem is that DC has "only six faces".  I think hair straightening and some dye wouldn't work if they look too much alike facially...(but then Ran only have a few brushes with Akai, it could be that she doesn't recognize him completely with the small changes and feel unnerved because she believes she saw him somewhere before.)

When rereading the Kudo Shinichi's homicide chapter, I saw this page again...

Spoiler:

So how does Akai know Hattori's address? Hattori never met Okiya or Akai directly; however, Jodie might have told Akai about the Osakan after the events of the School Play/ Desperate revival case and the "Who are you?" (341-343) case. Jodie did keep Hattori's picture tacked to her board...

Spoiler:

But even so, that would imply Okiya did a bit of background searching on Kudo Shinichi in order to know who his friends are. Well, it confirms my suspicion Akai is a little bit of a stalker likes investigating - he did before he was disguised, but as Okiya we see a lot more of it.

I believe it wasn't Akai who sent Heiji the letter but Makoto himself.  He got fed up with not getting a reply so he sent one to Hattori because he's also a high school detective.  At least this is Shinichi's reasoning on that page.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I believe it wasn't Akai who sent Heiji the letter but Makoto himself.  He got fed up with not getting a reply so he sent one to Hattori because he's also a high school detective.  At least this is Shinichi's reasoning on that page.

Ohhh... I get it now! The he of "he probably lost his temper" refers to the sender, not Okiya. I feel like an idiot now...

[Tigerking]

[quote="Abs."]
"Murderer: Kudou Shinichi" <-- (This is the priming.)

We'll take all Chekhov's reasonings, and add:

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  It isn't unthinkable that someone who has faked his own death to everyone that has ever known him would permanently retire that face along with that identity.

Bourbon (Scar Akai) as well.  This would solve the "duct tape doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  Also, we already have an example of someone undergoing plastic surgery to look exactly like someone they abhor, but being unable to replicate their voice...

This would also lend new meaning to the "it's a face I knew quite well since long ago" phrase Okiya utters after the department store bombing case.  It's past tense...  And not "I know" or "I have known" <-- "I have known" implies that one still knows.
(More accurately, it is 「昔ã

[Nyarl]

[quote="Tigerking"]
[quote="Abs."]
"Murderer: Kudou Shinichi" <-- (This is the priming.)

We'll take all Chekhov's reasonings, and add:

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  It isn't unthinkable that someone who has faked his own death to everyone that has ever known him would permanently retire that face along with that identity.

Bourbon (Scar Akai) as well.  This would solve the "duct tape doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  Also, we already have an example of someone undergoing plastic surgery to look exactly like someone they abhor, but being unable to replicate their voice...

This would also lend new meaning to the "it's a face I knew quite well since long ago" phrase Okiya utters after the department store bombing case.  It's past tense...  And not "I know" or "I have known" <-- "I have known" implies that one still knows.
(More accurately, it is 「昔ã

[Tigerking]

[quote="Nyarl"]
[quote="Tigerking"]
[quote="Abs."]
"Murderer: Kudou Shinichi" <-- (This is the priming.)

We'll take all Chekhov's reasonings, and add:

Timeline needs to be confirmed, but it's possible that Okiya is Akai, having undergone plastic surgery.  This would solve the "kick doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  It isn't unthinkable that someone who has faked his own death to everyone that has ever known him would permanently retire that face along with that identity.

Bourbon (Scar Akai) as well.  This would solve the "duct tape doesn't ruin the disguise" problem.  Also, we already have an example of someone undergoing plastic surgery to look exactly like someone they abhor, but being unable to replicate their voice...

This would also lend new meaning to the "it's a face I knew quite well since long ago" phrase Okiya utters after the department store bombing case.  It's past tense...  And not "I know" or "I have known" <-- "I have known" implies that one still knows.
(More accurately, it is 「昔ã

[kentasaiba]

whats with this?

[Akemi~chan]

......indenitfy.....was this a typo? anyway my theory...he's burbon but refuses to say anything because he's CIA

[xGinx]

whats with this?

Really interesting ..... and what about Okiya??

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

whats with this?

Not sure, but it doesn't make sense. I'm calling bollocks.
The characters for Okiya(沖矢) Subaru(昴) aren't pronounced anything like that diagram claims they are read.
沖 as in open sea is Oki. When it is "to rise up into the air" it can be pronounced as "chuu" (ちゅう)
矢 as in arrow is "ya" or "sa"
昴 - Is "Subaru", "Sumaru", or "pou"

So, not only did the creator of this somehow mess up the kanji for Subaru's name (only one of the kanji 昴 is for Subaru. The other two 沖矢 are part of "Okiya"), they also put in totally false ways to read the name. My Japanese sucks and I can spot several problems, so it's a fair bet to say that whoever wrote this is probably not the person to be referencing Japanese wordplay from. I wouldn't put much stock in wherever you got that picture.

[xGinx]

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

If I get ever deserve a forum title, it should probably be 'resident raincloud' for all the parade drenching I wind up doing... I wish Gosho should made the Okiya thing a little harder. Maybe he'll make uncovering scar Akai's plan harder to compensate.

Later edit: Kentasaiba, what the heck happened to all your posts? First Still.Looking becomes Found and now you. Is there some sort of forum conspiracy I am unaware of?

[kentasaiba]

Okiya can't be Akai because of my new theorie:

Akai = Gin.

Akai has a multiply or shizoprenic personality and is ALSO Gin!
Sure, we saw both of the two at the same places, but that could be hallucinations.