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[karisama]

sstimson, is something wrong with your computer/keyboard or are you misspelling Akai on purpose? xD

[sstimson]

sstimson, is something wrong with your computer/keyboard or are you misspelling Akai on purpose? xD

what I am doing without think about is transposing two letters. All messages with the transposes in them have been fixed that I can fix.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I did that for a while with the word "because". For the life of me I couldn't get myself to stop typing it like "becuase". It's like the wrong spelling somehow became "muscle memory" or something like that. I eventually managed to break through, but it took about three months. I think the reason I started getting it wrong was because I was typing on a foreign language configured keyboard for a while.

[sstimson]

I did that for a while with the word "because". For the life of me I couldn't get myself to stop typing it like "becuase". It's like the wrong spelling somehow became "muscle memory" or something like that. I eventually managed to break through, but it took about three months. I think the reason I started getting it wrong was because I was typing on a foreign language configured keyboard for a while.

As this is the best place and as it was mentioned http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=106639#p106639. This sleepy thread gets woke up. Chekhov, One day you and I are going to have a good debate as it looks like we can at times each hold their own.

I do like the "unlikely" vs the impossible. Question Did Sharon have a daughter that was showed before the time Jodie mentioned it. I think maybe Chris never existed and Sharon became Chris after taking the drug. Any comments?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

As this is the best place and as it was mentioned http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=106639#p106639. This sleepy thread gets woke up. Chekhov, One day you and I are going to have a good debate as it looks like we can at times each hold their own.

I do like the "unlikely" vs the impossible. Question Did Sharon have a daughter that was showed before the time Jodie mentioned it. I think maybe Chris never existed and Sharon became Chris after taking the drug. Any comments?

I remember Abs. had info to suggest that Chris had shown up in front of people before Sharon died. Abs. might have more to say, but it sounds like Chris did give interviews to reporters before Sharon died:

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I definitely don't think Vermouth took APTX4869. There was no reason for her to, as it was still incomplete and thought to be only a poison at the time. Since the B.O. isn't looking for shrunken kids, I think Haibara's deaging mouse result was kept to herself. I think Vermouth either used something else between one year ago and the current timeline, or Vermouth is literally not aging and making herself appear to be older through the use of makeup so Sharon looks like she has aged normally. Vermouth using something else would have to be the case if Sharon's mother was really Vermouth as well because APTX wasn't around when Sharon's parents died in a fire on the day of Sharon's debut.

[Kite]

I'm not a fan of the "Sharon took a highly dangerous prototype of APTX and turned into Chris"-theory either. It could also be possible that Vermouth has some genetic defect that doesn't allow her to age (don't confuse that with immortality, okay? Maybe she just lives longer than the average human.), and the APTX was invented based on her DNA (with the intention to rapidly break off all the body cells, and thus create a perfect murder weapon. Not to make humans live longer. I'm really just not a fan of that clichéd idea at all. Besides, we're not dealing with a charity organization here. And there IS a lot more money to gain with such a perfect murder weapon than some kind of medicine which allows people to live longer).

sstimson: Sharon is definitely Chris. They're one and the same. Jodie did a DNA check on that: link. And I doubt Gosho will introduce errors like mixing up samples during laboratory tests in the story. That would just divert the story too much, if you have to take such things in account.

And to nitpick, I've always wondered how Vermouth's hair became long so fast after she transformed herself from Sharon into Chris. I mean, such short hair would at least take a whole year to grow out that long (I'm talking out of experience here. It took about three years for me. Just saying.), does that mean she wore a wig which looked exactly the same as her hair now? Kinda hard to believe. But that's just me nitpicking I guess, since Gosho had to make her youth clear in some way.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

@Kite I agree with about everything except these two points.

And there IS a lot more money to gain with such a perfect murder weapon than some kind of medicine which allows people to live longer

Definitely wrong. The anti-aging cosmetics market is in the billions to perhaps ten of billions per year and is expected to increase. I saw some websites claiming it to be a hundred billion dollar industry (as in a fifth of the US military budget), but since they have a COI, I am a little skeptical. Now imagine if there was something that would really slow down aging. So yeah.

sstimson: Sharon is definitely Chris. They're one and the same. Jodie did a DNA check on that: link.

It was a fingerprint test, not a DNA test.

[Kite]

And there IS a lot more money to gain with such a perfect murder weapon than some kind of medicine which allows people to live longer

Definitely wrong. The anti-aging cosmetics market is in the billions to perhaps ten of billions per year and is expected to increase. Now imagine if there was something that would really slow down aging. So yeah.

hmm. I guess I underestimated it. I was thinking the underground world would happily spend quote a lot if it meant erasing all traces on murder scenes, and only the richest people were interested in anti-aging cosmetics. But I think I'm quite underestimating the whole business behind  staying young and the attributed importance to it by the people.

sstimson: Sharon is definitely Chris. They're one and the same. Jodie did a DNA check on that: link.

It was a fingerprint test, not a DNA test.

whoops. Seems like I went over it too fast. And I even quoted the page with the info. >_< I'll need better glasses. Thanks for correcting me.

[sstimson]

As this is the best place and as it was mentioned http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=106639#p106639. This sleepy thread gets woke up. Chekhov, One day you and I are going to have a good debate as it looks like we can at times each hold their own.

I do like the "unlikely" vs the impossible. Question Did Sharon have a daughter that was showed before the time Jodie mentioned it. I think maybe Chris never existed and Sharon became Chris after taking the drug. Any comments?

I remember Abs. had info to suggest that Chris had shown up in front of people before Sharon died. Abs. might have more to say, but it sounds like Chris did give interviews to reporters before Sharon died:

Spoiler:

I definitely don't think Vermouth took APTX4869. There was no reason for her to, as it was still incomplete and thought to be only a poison at the time. Since the B.O. isn't looking for shrunken kids, I think Haibara's deaging mouse result was kept to herself. I think Vermouth either used something else between one year ago and the current timeline, or Vermouth is literally not aging and making herself appear to be older through the use of makeup so Sharon looks like she has aged normally. Vermouth using something else would have to be the case if Sharon's mother was really Vermouth as well because APTX wasn't around when Sharon's parents died in a fire on the day of Sharon's debut.

That is funny. You provide proof of my theory, and at the same time deny it. That last panel is the proof. The funeral is THE FIRST TIME Chris appeared in public. Also  Abs while it is possible Chris does exist, The next question is very important. Did she appear by herself, and was she even with her mom. If so what age?

Read "They do it with mirrors" by AC to see one way that

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Two people are really one.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

That is funny. You provide proof of my theory, and at the same time deny it. That last panel is the proof. The funeral is THE FIRST TIME Chris appeared in public. Also  Abs while it is possible Chris does exist, The next question is very important. Did she appear by herself, and was she even with her mom. If so what age?

Read "They do it with mirrors" by AC to see one way that

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Two people are really one.

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The reason I denied the theory after posting the above panel was the following quote: "Because other than reporters, that day was the first day she came out in public.' This implies Vermouth as Chris interviewed with reporters before the funeral. Presumably she appeared looking whatever would be the appropriate age for her, and since Sharon and Chris are the same person, they obviously couldn't appear at the same time.

What Abs wrote below

Here's mine:
私の娘として鳴り物入りであっさりデビューし、ちやほやされてるクリスとは雲泥の差だわ・・・
A big difference from the spoiled Chris, who as my daughter, easily made her debut with a flourish of trumpets...

Again, unless I understand the word "debut" wrong, one needs to have actually worked with some people on some sort of production which then is brought to the attention of the public, in order to "make a debut"...

Alright just so no one misunderstands, I am merely pointing out that whoever the heck Chris may be, that person has appeared as Chris, in front of at least one person (AND the public, on screen), before Sharon "died." The page Chekhov provided is further proof... Although translated wrong -_-;
Here's mine:
なにしろ撮影以外でマスコミの前に現れたのは、一年前のあの日が初めてだそうじゃから・・・
Whatever the case, outside of for filming, the first time she appeared before reporters was on that day one year ago...

[Abs.]

I remember Abs. had info to suggest that Chris had shown up in front of people before Sharon died. Abs. might have more to say, but it sounds like Chris did give interviews to reporters before Sharon died:

Spoiler:

Ahahahaha I forgot to reply to this thread.  Anyhoo, let's look at Volume 35, File 1:

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Even with that translation ("Far different from my daughter Chris...  Without a trouble she became a successful actress on my coattails..."), it is clear to me that one needs to appear before some people, at least, in order to become a successful actress.

Here's mine:
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[sstimson]

I remember Abs. had info to suggest that Chris had shown up in front of people before Sharon died. Abs. might have more to say, but it sounds like Chris did give interviews to reporters before Sharon died:

Spoiler:

Ahahahaha I forgot to reply to this thread.  Anyhoo, let's look at Volume 35, File 1:

Spoiler:

Even with that translation ("Far different from my daughter Chris...  Without a trouble she became a successful actress on my coattails..."), it is clear to me that one needs to appear before some people, at least, in order to become a successful actress.

Here's mine:
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[Chekhov MacGuffin]

But this question remains. What day was THE day a year ago?

There's a slight chance the answer might be on the very next page... At least try to make an effort before relying on others...

A good actress can make her appearance match her role. A borrowed / rented Kid of right age could have play acted 'Chris' But this becomes harder as 'Chris' Comes of age.

It isn't clear how old Chris was when she first appeared in movies. She may have been a high schooler and thus Vermouth could have simply disguised herself without borrowing a kid at all. Who knows?

If Vermouth wanted Sharon and Chris to appear at the same time, she could have simply asked someone else to disguise with her temporarily, but it is kind of pointless to speculate how Vermouth managed to convince everyone Chris and Sharon were separate people when we know that she managed and there haven't been any unresolved specific situations where they both appeared at the same time to explain...

How do you explain that if Chris and Sharon are one and the same, then how can the current Chris (Vermouth ) looks younger then her "mom" without makeup?

As I stated in an earlier post, it is easy if Vermouth was using makeup as Sharon to make herself appear older than she is. Making the transition to Chris Vineyard is easy, just stop using the makeup.
On the opposite side, Vermouth could have been Sharon's age and had been disguising herself to look younger like Chris in preparation for whatever deaging thing she was about to undergo. This would require a heck of a lot of preparation in advance, (20 years for Chris to "get old enough") so I think that this explanation is less likely than the first.
It isn't clear right now whether Vermouth suddenly deaged or hasn't been aging at all.

As for why Vermouth doesn't appear to be getting older... who knows? We can rule out clones or a pair of twins raised at separate times because neither clones nor twins have identical fingerprints. I just don't think it is APTX 4869 that caused Vermouth's aging weirdness for reasons I already stated above. I think it is something else - perhaps something the Miyanos were trying to replicate by making APTX 4869.

[Abs.]

I think it is something else - perhaps something the Miyanos were trying to replicate by making APTX 4869.

My money's on this.

[sstimson]

I think it is something else - perhaps something the Miyanos were trying to replicate by making APTX 4869.

My money's on this.

Then let me ask an very old question. Vermount takes Protype 4869. And get younger.As some say :"if it is not broke, Do not fix it. Why then did they not stop there? why make it become 4869? If they needed a Poison, there are some many way to kill someone with not trace. One of the best might be the bubble death (injecting air). Why did they need to reinvent the wheel?