Akai (SPOILERS)

[Spimer]

Okay, Ladies and Gentlemen

I'm a bit surprised you've already filled 13 pages with this discussion.

When Akai falls inside his car after being shot in the head, you can see the hole the bullet made. you can't fake that, especially if you've got both your hands inside your pockets.

Okay, he could fake the lung shot by having some glass of red substance, and the blood from the mouth could be that he bite his tongue.

This fake blood reasoning, I got the idea from

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Agatha's Christie's "Death on the Nile", where the culprit, faked a shot to the leg using a glass of a red ink.

He could have a WHOLE glass for that, 'cause when he falls inside the car there's a lot of blood.

Also, in the manga the bomb timer was 3 seconds, while in Ep. 504 is 30 seconds. Okay. One may be able to rise quickly, try not to hit yourself with the car's roof and jump out of the car, but I wonder something...

The boy at the aparment where Okiya lived seems to know him from some time ago... (Could just a month, but I'd preberably say two) and I wonder how Akai switched places so easily.

When I say "switch place" I mean that while he was working in the FBI during the whole "Clash of Red and Black" story arc, the boy must have seen Okiya leaving, or maybe he made an excuse and said he'd go on holiday (Rukumichi or the BO spy supposedely entered the hospital just at the begining of winter holiday).

But I don't remeber Akai showing any detective reasoning. I've browsed troguh all the chapters in the manga where he appears and always looks live an impulsive (In the 4 Porsches case, when he saw Conan on TV he made an U turn in the middle of the street) Same happened when he heard Conan in the "Panda" case and hurried to catch James Black's hijackers.

Well, anyway, Gosho - san has left us with some small clues, like Takagi says when questioned by Jodie ("There's something strange about that burnt body, tough)

Well, it's your opinions who could bring down my argumentation, but I only exposed it to try to close all those repetitions about all polotholes suggested in this topic.

Sayonara

With my respects to the DCTP Staff

Spimer - hakase

EDIT By Jd-: Had to spoiler-out the Christie line. That's one of the best Poirot mysteries; can't let it be spoiled.

[Rellik]

look wat's gonna happen is, Akai is gonna come bak as a ghost and kill Gin with kamehameha, which will totally ruin the whole theme of DC but whateva, they need some randomness in it. 

[grone4ever89]

look wat's gonna happen is, Akai is gonna come bak as a ghost and kill Gin with kamehameha, which will totally ruin the whole theme of DC but whateva, they need some randomness in it. 

No, Gin's already a SSJ3 with his long ass hair he just needs to charge up so he can get the electricity around him and he will beat Akai with a Dragon Fist. hahaha 

[Rellik]

and then Akai goes SSJ4 and kicks Gin's a$$ 

P.S GT sucks

[Tenken]

If this thread reaches 1000th page and Akai hasn't returned, then he'd really have died

[Rellik]

1000 pages ey?....

this gives me an idea...

[SuperMAG]

lolz its realy nice to have people watched DB, i thought i was the only one.

[Rio Nagava]

Well is it just me or we have some conspiracy here? Was it Akai returning? Or we just saw some zombie? =)
Everyone let's get back to discussing =)

[mitsuhiko2]

If it was Akai, was the memory/speech loss real or faked? He seemed to still be in possession of some of his faculties--not unusual for amnesia victims--but what was he doing in the bank if he couldn't talk or remember who he was?

[Rio Nagava]

Better question is - how did he managed to hide and then shoot his gun =)

[mitsuhiko2]

Better question is - how did he managed to hide and then shoot his gun =)

Good question. And, who freed him?

Notice that they didn't search Akai(if that's who he was) at the behest of Jodie-sensei; if he had a gun, they wouldn't have found it.

[Rio Nagava]

IT was his ghost =) I think if Conan would've seen him.. It would became clear. But there is again. If he is alive, and for some reason he wandering around with gun and his shooting skills, in sense of amnesia - due shot in the head...
Brr... I meant if theory = Fake his death is solid - he wouldn't appear like that...
Which means 3 things... 1. It is him, and he managed to survive. But indeed lost himself.
2.This isn't him, but someone posing as him, to say lure out some info about Akai... Maybe Gin =) Checking if Kir really killed him.
3.This is him, but for some reason he just had to take a walk... As himself...

[kyuuketsuki]

There is one major problem with everyone's "Akai is still alive theory." THE FINGERPRINTS. Remember Jodie had the fingerprints from Conan's cellphone matched with the ones extrapolated from the dead barbecued body. They matched, the only people who used that phone were Akai, and Conan.

Conceivably Ran, or someone else close to him, in other words the people that are still around. Seeing as faking a fingerprint is no easy task, he would not have been able to do it in the short time he had to prepare for this. And even if he was, how would he get it on the dead guy's body so as to fool a forensic team. I can't say impossible, but its highly improbable that it could have happened. Gosho PURPOSELY made it so we get the confirmation of his death through the fingerprint, which is just as accurate as DNA typing. And quite frankly, if Gosho DOES bring him back, I don't think, as a Forensic Science student (yes, that is my major with concentration in Criminalistics), I will be able to accept ANY explanation for that one. I will be extremely disappointed if Gosho retreats from that choice like Toriyama did with Goku's death. It probably won't ruin the series for me (as I do love Akai), but I won't be as satisfied as with any other ending.

Personally... I think it was the right choice thinking about it... The "good guys" who have died, we never got to know. Akai's death marked, to me, the first real "good guy" casualty. I cannot count the Eisuke's father (forgot his name), as we didn't meet him, or Miyano Akemi, as we only knew her for one episode, or that detective from 219 (If I recall he was screwed up anyway and couldn't be considered "good" anyway).

So all in all... I really think Akai's death, though we lost an awesome character, really added to the story. Let's face it... how real would it be if the BO is the only one taking casualties. Gosho simply evened the score. The way I see it 1 Akai = all the dead BO members combined. Right now, I think the power is pretty balanced between good and evil right now. Conan being the ultimate force of good, and Gin being the ultimate force of evil. Everyone else is not powerful enough (well that we know at least), or has some redeeming feature (ie, Vermouth wanting to protect Shinichi and Ran).

If you still have delusions of Akai returning, consider the latest chapter where Akai "appears." There are several pieces of evidence that suggest its someone wearing a mask. 1) how did he get the scar on only the right side of his face like that. A grazed shot wouldn't create a web-like scar, an explosion (conceivably from escaping the blast) would be much larger, especially from the shrapnel. 2) Akai held umbrella with right hand (he is left handed), and he shot to save conan with his right. EVEN IF he was a good shot with his right hand... NO ONE who is shooting a hostage taker to save a captive hostage, would fire with their weak hand. It just doesn't make sense. I'm sure I could think of more, if I weren't so lazy... but I am... Any case... that was certainly not Akai.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

There is one major problem with everyone's "Akai is still alive theory." THE FINGERPRINTS. Remember Jodie had the fingerprints from Conan's cellphone matched with the ones extrapolated from the dead barbecued body. They matched, the only people who used that phone were Akai, and Conan.

And don't forget Kusuda Rikumichi. Conan used that phone to perform his clue finding act in chapter 597. All of the suspects in that case touched the phone once. Rikumichi even touched the inside of the phone. Also, even though Rikumichi is dead, Conan or Akai could have forged his fingerprints by touching his fingers (which may still have fingerprint oil on them) to the phone or by by applying a light coat of oil to his fingers and then touching the phone to them.

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Conan had one of his two cell phones touched/taken by Akai in chapter 602. In any case Jodie borrows one of Conan's cell phones in chapter 609 around page 10 or so, but it may not be the one that Akai touched. It could be the one Rikumichi touched instead.

I just realised something...I think the body found in Akai's car was actually Kusuda Rikumichi (the BO agent from the hospital). When conan was trying to determine which of the 3 patients was the BO member, he dropped his cellphone and Rikumichi touched it...So his fingerprints are on it...And he did commit sucide(shot in the head, like Akai), and the disposal of his body was never revealed...So i think it makes a lot of sense that it was him...Also, being a BO member, it makes sense that the police have no record of his fingerprints in any of their databases... I always thought it was too comfortable that a hand was left unburned and so the body could be identified...it was so that everyone (apart from the ones who know about the plan) are certain that it was Akai...it also fits the previous eps in which Akai and Conan didn't tell the 'Rena plan' to all FBI members so that they would think that the FBI really did lose and the enemy would be fooled as well.

about Akai escaping, remember that Rena mentioned that he came from the other way, and he parked next to the safety rail...just like with Camel, it makes sense that he did that in order to be able to escape...the 'accident nearby' that caused the police to be there quickly, forcing the BO members to make a quick escape and not verify everything, was also part of the plan...and Akai and Rena's final conversation also suggests that they had some sort of a plan...

Exactly my thaughts, plus when Rena turned her head to the police sirene ( and the camera on her necklace ) Akai could escape, and Rena could show them ( Gin and Vodka ) the body of Rikumichi ( switching from front seat to the back seat, you clearly can see that in the episode and the manga chapter ), as for the prints your corect, Akai touched another replica of that phone. The bomb was to burn the corpse, as for the hand on the pocket was clearly to make shure they could match the prints. As for the two shots, those were simply blanks. The blood was fake, probably a device they also use in movies, one behind his coat and one behind his hat. How he escaped from that cliff, probably in Rena's car, or like Sherlock Holmes..... Reichenbach falls = Reiha pass..... hehehe... that does make you think, doesn't it..

As for the cellphone bit: is it worth mentioning that Conan had two identical cellphones at that time? One for Conan and one for Shinichi.

As such, it is possible to have a unique set of fingerprints on either one. One could have Jodie, Conan's and the BO member in the hospital, and the other would have another set of people.

[kyuuketsuki]

Alright, so basically, you are telling me... by some CRAZY coincidence that Rikumichi's finger prints were on the which ever phone Conan gave to Jodie, and that his body mysteriously ended up in Shuu's car, which blew up, with no one around, and no one noticing some guy putting a dead body into his car. Really... that is all too circumstantial... too perfect. He was shot in the head and blown up in Akai's truck... Sorry, but I don't see it.

Also, assuming it was Rikumichi's, and Gosho finds some convoluted explanation on how the body got there, and into a believable position to find a body in a car explosion (think about it, there was no one in the front seat, Akai, if it was fake, would have had to make it believable, by staying down until he was sure Gin was gone, then put Rikumichi's body into the front, all with time to get away from a rather large explosion. Again... I don't care how awesome Akai is... that is just not possible, not enough time to do it.

Also... The gunshot was NOT the same. Suicide is on the side of the head, Akai was shot dead center. Front to back, I'm sure that would rule out "suicide" for the police. Timer was just long enough for Rena to get away.

There is more evidence against Akai surviving, than for. I want Akai back too, but really... When I think as I would as an investigator... Its hard to think of all those things happening to make Akai survive. Its especially hard to survive a direct shot to the head. I'm sure Gin would have noticed if it went any other way. IF she had shot him on the side of the head, maybe... But nope, it was frontal...

Again, I can't see how Gosho would justify Akai being alive. Unless he assumes his fans wouldn't notice plot holes. Which is entirely possible, its happened before.