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[Akonyl]

...That's a bad comparison.  A milksteak isn't funny, it has no humor involved in it, there is no history of jokes behind milksteaks, as opposed to Blackinese where many African-American comedians like to joke about during stand-up or in comedies.

no history of jokes for milksteaks? Someone's never seen It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia! :V

But really: The fact that a punchline exists for a joke in previous cases in no way makes it a "suitable" punchline to the joke. There's basically two ways to take your joke:
1) That manga's issue is unrelated, and the answer of "Blackinese" is just used because the answer called for a language.
2) That manga's issue is related, and (as in PT's post) "Blackinese" has something to do with it.

Number 2 is somewhat racist, joking or not, though it sounds like that's not what you were going for. In that case, it's number 1, which hardly constitutes a joke and has as much substance as if you had said "British English" as the language instead, because some British vocabulary/accents are made fun of by people and makes it about as humorous/"historically humorous" as Blackinese. That doesn't mean that answering "British English" would be funny either though, because it has just as little of a connection as Blackinese does to the joke's question itself.

[Callid]

...That's a bad comparison.  A milksteak isn't funny, it has no humor involved in it, there is no history of jokes behind milksteaks, as opposed to Blackinese where many African-American comedians like to joke about during stand-up or in comedies.

You are aware Schwarze¹ do have N-Word-Priveleges, which you (at least to us, who cannot confirm you have them) lack?
While I do understand that you probably meant no offence, as you can see, people are offended by it, so I'd suggest you'd rather refrain from making jokes that might come across as racist.

1 German: "blacks". The German term is PC, the English is not; but English sadly lacks any other equivalent, so I'll use the German one.

[PT]

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot this was the "What ranger does and does not find offensive" discussion.

Remind me when the world stops revolving around you, so we can talk about this properly.

For the record, I was giving you the chance to explain yourself (when I made that first comment), and you blew it.

You throw around derogatory remarks, expect to get them back. Just be glad I used bigot and not the word I first thought.

And like Callid said, unless you're actually black, you don't have the privilege of using their joke terms that would be offensive coming from anyone else. I assume you're Asian (based on the "I find Asian jokes" funny bit, otherwise you're just an asshole).

[ranger]

If I'm not actually black, I don't have the privilege of making black jokes?  To even consider Blackinese as a derogatory joke against African American is a stretch, but what you're stating is racist itself.  

And Callid you did not just cite TvTropes for your argument that African Americans can use the word 'nigger'.  And what does that even have to do with this?  You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.  I was offended by you calling me a bigot, which I feel like is a baseless statement.  The fact that you're brushing off that you "technically" didn't call me that irritates me.

To start this off, I didn't throw any derogatory remarks.  I'm sorry if "Blackinese" offended you, which is a fake ethnicity/language comprised of Asian and African descent.  Yes, Blackinese people are causing Mangaluva's issues, yes that is definitely what I seriously meant.  Come on, give me a break.

[Vylash]

unless you're actually black, you don't have the privilege of using their joke terms that would be offensive coming from anyone else

oh good lord people still use this argument seriously? >_>

[PT]

Oh god, whatever. I'm done here. If you guys wanna continue being bigots (yes, I said it; yes, I called you that. Deal with it), that's your deal. Apparently you're gonna continue sticking to your asshole remarks despite anything anyone else says, so whatever. Maybe one day you'll both grow up.

[ranger]

unless you're actually black, you don't have the privilege of using their joke terms that would be offensive coming from anyone else

oh good lord people still use this argument seriously? >_>

Yeah, I honestly think that's probably the worst argument ever.  White people can only make white jokes.  Asians can only make Asian jokes.  What the hell?

I could be like 1/8th Black and be the biggest racist in the planet, but that gives me authority to spout out any real African-American jokes that are derogatory?  Yet, if I were to say "oh yeah, black people are damn good at basketball haha" as someone who isn't African, people start taking out their pitchforks.  Hell, for the most part the people that do get offended from such a silly and harmless joke like that aren't even of African descent.  

And seriously, I did apologize.  I may not agree with you Phoenix, but I did say sorry if I offended you with my Blackinese joke.  So I mean, are you really going to tell me to grow up when you leave calling me an asshole and a bigot?  And really, Parkur has nothing to do with this, so I don't even know why you're targeting him as well.

But hey, at least you're not using that excuse about for the record not calling me a bigot.  I mean seriously, what am I supposed to think when you make a comment like that?  You'd have to agree with me on that part.  You'd be pretty pissed and assume that I was calling you a bigot if I said the same thing you did.

[KangarooGirl]

Like if someone said "Is there any food a snorlax couldn't eat?" and someone else replied "A milksteak", sure they're not being serious because there's no such thing as milksteak, but without some sort of connection between the two it's not much of a joke either

I'm staying out of the argument but just wanted to say that that comment made me think "Snorlax can't eat Miltanks?"

[PT]

@ranger
"Black people are damn good at basketball" isn't an offensive comment.

When a certain demographic says things about their own demographic that would otherwise be offensive coming from a different demographic (black people calling black people the n-word vs. white people calling black people the n-word, for example), it's usually meant as more teasing than derogatory.

It's like saying "you can't pick on my brother, only I can" or something.

And Parkur, I'm going to assume you're being willfully ignorant about this because obviously you know when something's offensive, as you think it's offensive for people to generalize Americans as dumb.

[ranger]

The flawed part about your logic is that if I was black we wouldn't even be having this argument anymore.  Hell, I should of probably just lied and said I was African-American so people would get off my back.  This is a fundamentally wrong thought process, that all racist remarks said by someone with that respective race is okay.  The whole "nigga" used within the black community as a term of endearment and the word "nigger" that was used as a derogatory term back when African-Americans were enslaved holds completely different meanings now.  Plus, like I said, we aren't even talking about the N-word! Why do people always bring that up when it comes to racism?  I said Blackinese guys.  Blackinese.  


If my basketball joke isn't offensive, why does the Blackinese comment enrage you so much?  I mean seriously...it's a madeup ethnicity and language...it's not real!!!!


Oh yeah, btw, from the argument that "only black people can say black jokes" ~

The fake ethnicity/language Blackinese comprises of Asians and Africans.  I am part Asian.  Therefore, I can make as many Blackinese jokes as I damn want.

[Callid]

ranger:
Te problem is that you need to appear to be part of the group you're using to construct your joke (so, 1/8 isn't sufficient). Furthermore, it is possible for people to make racist remarks while excluding themselves from their own group; it depends on context.
Finally, you being part-Asian isn't obvious to us in any way, so we cannot possibly perceive you as including yourself in a group we don't even know you're part of (if Kor would be making jokes about Jews, it'd be a different matter, as him being one is well-known (as long as he includes himself)).

[ranger]

Callid...what the hell...

Listen to yourself man.  I need to prove to you guys that I'm ____ race in order to make a joke pertaining to that race?  Why is that me and Parkur are the only ones that feel like this is a very stupid logical argument? Ughh..come on, that is racism in itself!! You're being racist in judging others making a black/asian/mexican joke when the person themselves isn't black/asian/mexican.  Yet, you deem it okay when they are that race.  You're being racist!  Think about it!

Callid you seem like a smart guy.  You like to post prefixes of English words and I see you posting here and there in the programming thread.  So, heres the definition of racism by merriam-webster:

"a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

How can you tell me that the logic your spewing at me isn't racist?  A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities..."only black people can tell black jokes".

And also, do I seriously need to prove that I am of Asian descent...*sigh...I've always said I was part Asian, you can find numerous posts of me saying so.  In fact, if you lookup my post in that one thread in the offtopic forums - where there was that project regarding race vs anime watching or something...

Plus, there are some numerous members on the forums that have actually seen a pic of me/my name so they can probably vouch that I am Asian as well.

Also Callid, don't use TVTropes as your source for an argument like this.

I really WTF'd when you did that.

[Akonyl]

Why is that me and Parkur are the only ones that feel like this is a very stupid logical argument?

I'd just like to point out: I'm not saying that you were being racist, just that if you weren't, your joke lacked any substance at all

also: I wasn't aware you'd ever actually posted a picture of yourself :V

[PT]

If it's just you and Parkur, ranger, maybe you should start to wonder whether you're wrong.

A known troll is being called out on making a racist comment and the only one defending him is another troll...? Gee, gotta think about that one for a minute.

Your "logic" makes no sense, ranger. Just thinking the word black/asian/what the hell ever, doesn't automatically make it racist. It's context and tone, and in this case your use of "Blackinese" came across as offensive and racist. Maybe you should start taking responsibility for yourself in that regard if you don't wanna continue appearing racist.

[kyuuketsuki]

OH! Racism!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM

<3

(BTW, arguing about racism is never going to stop it. Dropping it and moving on is a good solution.)