Why did vermouth take the apotoxin?

[caribou]

I think maybe Chris Vineyard was just always making herself look older than she really was, to play the character of Sharon. so maybe when she killed Jodie's dad 20 years ago (was it 20?) she was actually really young, but old enough to have an adult body, something like 18. but she always made herself up to look 10-20 years older, so that Jodie was fooled into thinking that she never aged. the purpose of this? i have no idea haha. possibly to shield her true identity, since she is a famous actress. the police wouldn't connect Vermouth to Chris Vineyard because Chris would be too 'young' to be Vermouth?

alternatively i also think the aptx theory is possible. :/ possibly vermouth took the aptx without telling anyone.  but really can't be proven without more info on the Miyanos' research and all.

[Nyarl]

Vermouth used Pandora thousands of years ago. She let the secret slip to the wrong person and ended up as a lab specimen for the Miyanos' research. After they learned all the could about her they were going to dispose of her but spared her after she proved herself a capable assassin and spy.

Her connection to Toichi Kuroba makes it plausible that she's the source of the Pandora myth. Heh, that's it for “evidenceâ€

[acerola21]

I think that a big question to be answered is the purpose of the drug - Haibara says in File 384 p.8 that her "aim wasn't to develop any weird drug, nor was it something to threaten the world," and yet when Pisco sees Haibara shrink (File 242 p.9), he says that her parents would have been proud of her.  What Pisco says seems to imply that the purpose of the drug is to de-age someone, but what Haibara says implies that she was just developing a poison that would leave no trace rather than some elixir of immortality - so which is it?

[Abs.]

but what Haibara says implies that she was just developing a poison that would leave no trace rather than some elixir of immortality - so which is it?

Haibara explicitly states (when her character was first introduced) that it was never her intention to create a poison.

[mangaluva]

She has explicitly stated that she never intended to create a poison. Also, upon seeing that she'd shrunk, Pisco commented that she'd "massively improved on [her] parents's work". Given her comments on the foolishness of fighting nature, I'd say that the apotoxin really was intended to have something to do with the elixir of youth.

[acerola21]

Well, if Ai was really told to develop an elixir of youth, why would she say that her aim  wasn't to develop any weird drug?  I took the lines you guys mentioned to mean that Ai didn't want to have anything to do with creating poison, rather than that she wasn't told to create poison . . . but regardless of what she meant there, it's strange for Ai so say that she never intended to develop any weird drug.

. . . Hmm, let me double check with the raw really quick . . .

EDIT:  Found it!  The original lines are pretty much identical to the lines in the page that I linked to previously.  I suppose that maybe Haibara was lying here, but why would she?  If she wasn't, then why did Pisco say something like he did?

EDIT2: On second thought, the page's translation is a little off - after the panel about how Ai said her research's goal doesn't involve such a dream-like drug (ç§

[soratothamax]

"We all know..." ?

Unless I really missed something, we haven't gotten any explanation for Vermouth's appearance. I have my own crazy theory about that, anyway.

And besides, Gin says that it's the first time it was used on humans when he gives it to Shinichi. I know there are a lot of backers for this theory, but (unless I missed something big) we don't have any proof of it.

There's no proof that she took it, and in fact it's nearly impossible since Ai had only recently created it, thus even if she had taken it and survived she'd be a child too; and no, you're not the only one with that crazy theory. I think she used the Pandora too, although I turned my crazy theory into a 90-chapter fanfic with a 21-chapter sidefic If you're not intending to read it or have read it, the summary is thus:

Spoiler:

The Pandora legend could not have survived on its own for ten thousand years. There were no written records ten thousand years ago, and it could never have survived accurately as an oral tradition- the Christian Bible is a prime example of how warped stories can grow when passed along as an oral tradition. However, if someone had found the Pandora legend ten thousand years ago and gained immortality, they could keep the legend intact by repeating it as an eyewitness. Vermouth and Anokata were the ancient tribespeople who discovered Pandora and acheived immortality; ten thousand years later, Anokata is a criminal master of the world but Vermouth is resenting her long life and the evil he propagates. They lost the Pandora a long time ago and he intends to find it so that his immortality can be sustained; she wants it destroyed so that they can die.

Hence her unaging and status as Anokata's favourite.

Long story short, she didn't take the Apoptoxin. She couldn't have.

to be fair, I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the apoptoxin that says "turns you into a 5 year old", it just causes a large amount of de-aging and conan/shiho happened to be around the same age when they took it. So if Vermy took it, she could just turn somewhat younger perhaps.

Although I'm just more of a fan of the idea that she just ages well + maybe got plastic surgery, who knows.

Let's not also forget, that Chris is good at disguises. She could've been pretending to be someone, using tha name Sharon Vineyard, and really was was someone else, and decided to use the name Chris Vineyard instead. It's probably not her real name. She's known to be excellent as disguises, which she often even changes her face, which no one  else in Detective Conan has changed their faces.....yet.

[CC]

Of course then comes the question whether she intended to take the drug and knew its effects already. By the time she met Shinichi and Ran, her "daughter" Chris was said to be with "bad people" for 10 years. This means that Sharon had to made up his daughter much earlier. Which would mean that she took that APTX that early. Well, for me that would be the most likely scenario.

Um...am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that Sharon, a famous actress, could "make up" a fictional daughter, who also had some time in the limelight, and have all of the US, including the FBI and CIA, fooled for ten years?  Maybe Gosho didn't think about, like, Social Security and the US media, but given how much knowledge he's demonstrated about the US, I find that hard to buy...

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

[xGinx]

Of course then comes the question whether she intended to take the drug and knew its effects already. By the time she met Shinichi and Ran, her "daughter" Chris was said to be with "bad people" for 10 years. This means that Sharon had to made up his daughter much earlier. Which would mean that she took that APTX that early. Well, for me that would be the most likely scenario.

Um...am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that Sharon, a famous actress, could "make up" a fictional daughter, who also had some time in the limelight, and have all of the US, including the FBI and CIA, fooled for ten years?  Maybe Gosho didn't think about, like, Social Security and the US media, but given how much knowledge he's demonstrated about the US, I find that hard to buy...

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

I dont think that such "a-daughter-for-a-daughter hunt" could exist since if someone kills ur daughter u wouldn't stop pursuing that person just because a guy (who you really estimate) asks you to don't u think??

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

Jodie's investigations seems to uncovered that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris were all the same person. Since Chris first appeared in public at the "funeral" of her mother, it was implied that Chris never really existed apart from Vermouth/Sharon, her life was a fabrication and she was simply another persona created by Vermouth to hide the fact that she has some sort of aging wonkiness going on.

[Abs.]

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

Jodie's investigations seems to uncovered that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris were all the same person. Since Chris first appeared in public at the "funeral" of her mother, it was implied that Chris never really existed apart from Vermouth/Sharon, her life was a fabrication and she was simply another persona created by Vermouth to hide the fact that she has some sort of aging wonkiness going on.

Gonna catch you on this one...  Sharon mentioned in File 351 (Volume 35, File 1) (aka Golden Apple 2nd chapter) that Chris had made her debut easily...  That would mean, of course, that Chris had already existed in the public eye at that time.

In case you ask for it, my take on the translation for that portion:

Spoiler:

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1.1.  ã

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

Jodie's investigations seems to uncovered that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris were all the same person. Since Chris first appeared in public at the "funeral" of her mother, it was implied that Chris never really existed apart from Vermouth/Sharon, her life was a fabrication and she was simply another persona created by Vermouth to hide the fact that she has some sort of aging wonkiness going on.

Gonna catch you on this one...  Sharon mentioned in File 351 (Volume 35, File 1) (aka Golden Apple 2nd chapter) that Chris had made her debut easily...  That would mean, of course, that Chris had already existed in the public eye at that time.

In case you ask for it, my take on the translation for that portion:

Spoiler:

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1.1. ど、
Wha-
1.2. どういう意味ですか？
What do you mean?
2.1. エンジェルが微笑みかけてくれなかったって・・・
When you say an angel has never smiled upon you…
2.2. それだけ苦労をしてるって事よ！
Just that she’s going through a lot of hardships!
2.3. ねぇ、シャロン！
Right, Sharon?
2.4. ええ・・・　私の人生は不幸の連続・・・
Yes… My life has been a series of misfortunes…
3.1. 死ぬ思いでスクリーンデビューしたその日に、父と母を火事でなくし・・・　オスカーを取った翌日に夫が病死・・・
On the day of the screen debut that I worked so hard for, my mother and father passed away in a fire… The day after I got my Oscar, my husband died of illness…
3.2. 私の娘として鳴り物入りであっさりデビューし、ちやほやされてるクリスとは雲泥の差だわ・・・
A big difference from the spoiled Chris, who, as my daughter, easily made her debut with a flourish of trumpets…
4.1. またまたぁー　手塩にかけた自慢の娘なんでしょ？
There you go again… You’re proud of her, since you raised her yourself, aren’t you?
4.2. あんな子、もう娘とは思ってないわよ・・・
That child, I don’t think of her as my daughter anymore…

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1.1. え？
Eh?
1.2. 信じられる？　あの子、夫の墓に花を添える私の背後に立ってたのよ？
Can you believe it? That child, when I was placing flowers on my husband’s grave, she stood behind me, I’ll have you know…
2.1. 夫そっくりに変装して・・・
Disguised to look exactly like my husband…
2.2. ジョークにしてはブラック過ぎると思わない？
Don’t you think that’s too black of a joke?
3.1. そーいえばシャロン言ってたわね・・・　娘にせがまれて変装術を教えたって・・・
That’s right, you had said before… That you were badgered by your daughter into teaching her disguising techniques…
3.2. あの子とはそれっきり・・・　もう１０年近く会ってないわ・・・　質の悪そうな友達とつるんでたみたいだし・・・
And that’s the last I saw of that child… We haven’t seen each other for nearly ten years… It seems that she’s fallen in with some friends of questionable character…

But what about the info from the hooligan case?

Spoiler:

[mangaluva]

Actually, one of the big questions that has been plaguing me is:  what happened to the real Chris Vineyard?  Maybe somehow the Miyano's were involved in her death, or Sharon blames them at least (the body in the casket at "Sharon's" funeral was actually Chris's?), and that fueled her desire to hunt down Shiho, their daughter, for revenge, i.e. "an-eye-for-an-eye" (or daughter for a daughter) thing?   

Jodie's investigations seems to uncovered that Vermouth, Sharon, and Chris were all the same person. Since Chris first appeared in public at the "funeral" of her mother, it was implied that Chris never really existed apart from Vermouth/Sharon, her life was a fabrication and she was simply another persona created by Vermouth to hide the fact that she has some sort of aging wonkiness going on.

Gonna catch you on this one...  Sharon mentioned in File 351 (Volume 35, File 1) (aka Golden Apple 2nd chapter) that Chris had made her debut easily...  That would mean, of course, that Chris had already existed in the public eye at that time.

In case you ask for it, my take on the translation for that portion:

Spoiler:

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1.1.  ã

[mizumi]

I think that a big question to be answered is the purpose of the drug - Haibara says in File 384 p.8 that her "aim wasn't to develop any weird drug, nor was it something to threaten the world," and yet when Pisco sees Haibara shrink (File 242 p.9), he says that her parents would have been proud of her.  What Pisco says seems to imply that the purpose of the drug is to de-age someone, but what Haibara says implies that she was just developing a poison that would leave no trace rather than some elixir of immortality - so which is it?

May be no one but Haibara's parent +Haibara and BO boss know about true purpose of drug. The rest of BO think wrongly theyre developing a drug for kill people~ for thats what they've been told when they joined (by the boss). But, what they are told is a lie for hiding true intention of drug. Since the boss want to keep the true intention of the drug secret, so he/she made up a lie for everyone else in BO and said it can use to kill people/make them smaller, and that way they all become interested for the drug. The boss have to keep the true intention of drug secret because~ it probably a drug for stupid purpose of use and he/she probably get many complaints from members of BO if he/she reveal the true purpose of drug.. and probably can't gather enough people for willing to help he/she to make the drug But, in the end the drug fail in making and rly did become killer drug

[CC]

Which basically means that Sharon and Chris were never in public together and the public knew very little about both Sharon and Chris' personal lives.

Well, honestly...it should take all of, like, 2 minutes for the FBI to do a search in the Social Security database and discover if Chris Vineyard, daughter of Sharon Vineyard, ever actually existed...I know that the passing of time in the Detective Conan world is a little skewed  , but Jodie should have been able to say some conclusive about the Sharon/Chris thing by now...