Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,061-1066

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Two cars being different has more probability now

I noticed that ,, I'd choose there are two different cars , the second choice

I agree with you, the shape of windows and seats seen clearly in the raw, show that the two cars are different ones.

This is evident even in the spoiler pics .

[Kor]

Why do you think it's a different car?

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

There are differences in everything without exception , even in the two men who sit in the front

[Yondakai]

Tsutomu akai was part of the MI6, not the CIA or the FBI.
Moroever, there always have been foreigners within the organisation. Just take a look when Vermouth comes at Mary in London

[Kor]

There are differences in everything without exception , even in the two men who sit in the front

That's incorrect.



As can be seen, the seats are the same and you can even see the back side mirror.

The seats in the second picture you posted aren't different, they're just drawn with less detail. If you zoom in, you'll see that the shaded parts above the patterns are still the cushions of the car seats.



And it's the exact pattern of car seats that can be seen in this model of cars.





https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/1960-Roll ... d=36219589

On Thursday I'll have time to compile pictures of the (most probable) real life model of this car and comparison pics to the manga. You can try to look it up yourself in the link I posted above, though. It's the same car.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Not convinced yet , but I still see the driver’s hair color .... length of RUM for the car .... the presence of hair and ear piece of the man in the front next to the driver may clear the differences .

Also, do not forget the artificial eye .

There is one more thing ,, are these two Gin and vodka ??

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I still see the driver’s hair color

The driver is the same on Page 11 and Page 15. If one car has Kanenori in it and the other has Rum in it, then how can the driver be in two places at once?
Unless you're suggesting there are twin brothers who are both BO chauffeurs.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I have no problem saying it is the same types of cars ,,, but all I want to say is we have two cars and completely different people ,,, I expected someone to say the same driver exists ,, but honestly there are two drivers in two cars , The difference between the two drivers may only be hair color , they may actually be twins ,,, All these moves from Gosho to make us believe as you say guys .

I put a picture of two people like Gin and Vodka, but they are really not Gin and Vodka , not even their twins , but Gosho simply does that .

[Kor]

I put a picture of two people like Gin and Vodka, but they are really not Gin and Vodka , not even their twins , but Gosho simply does that .

Incorrect. The picture you put is from the anime, which changed the case the episode was based on. In the manga proper, the two people in the train were in fact Gin and Vodka. The anime just changed them to be other people unrelated to the BO.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Well Kor .... I will give up because everyone is sure the conclusions that I say about RUM is wrong ,,, although I still do not agree , but following this forum is interesting to me , so I will just follow up , but I may take the opportunity later if the narration that I am saying is turned to be true in the coming chapters and I return to share again

[Shinan-Kudogawa]

Regarding the dispute, over Wakita being Rum. I am 99% convinced he is the same, the 1% is due to the nature of revelation being not in a more grandoise manner. However, the clues are all there, the same driver, the same type of Rolls Royce is seen from afar, and the eye shape before and after is the same, and Wakita is the only to have a left eye problem, others have the right eye being problematic. And what strengthens my hypothesis and establishes the fact that Wakita=Rum, is the phone module, if you look at Rum and then at Wakita, they have the same grey-ish phone with two cameras to the upper left side. While in the manga, Hyue and Wakita have similar phones, in the anime, it is Wakita's phone that is more similar to the shape of the phone in this file. Proving that Wakita = Rum, unless something crazy might come up, like Wakita is impersonating as Rum, or Rum is more than one person, which is disproven at this point.

My only problem with the whole Wakita=Rum, is why on earth would Rum himself the 2nd in command, would sit next to a dubious Rye, to find out if he is genuine or a spy. Why make the 2nd in command and the 2nd most dangerous person sit down in a warehouse, without regards to being captured, and not just send Vermouth/Bourbon in disguise or any other disguisable agent..

[dccd]

I still see the driver’s hair color

The driver is the same on Page 11 and Page 15. If one car has Kanenori in it and the other has Rum in it, then how can the driver be in two places at once?
Unless you're suggesting there are twin brothers who are both BO chauffeurs.

I actually brought up the possibility of there being bo-twin-drivers, too.
For now I´ll call them Coca and Cola.
Lets dive into Goshos most famous twin-case: https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wik ... nlucky_Day
If you look closely on Kenzo Akatsuka - one of the most important chars of this case - you recognize sth that should be familiar:
He has Wakitas moustache.

So there is the - small but nonetheless possible - chance that Gosho had this case in mind when creating that possible fake-reveal.
I was sure about there being a fake Rum/Wakita-reveal years ago: viewtopic.php?p=878065#p878065.
Now - with the different interior of the cars, with the ear of the co-driver starring at us (the most important ear of all of DC) with even possible different colours of the car (black at first vs grey later) its more than possible that we might have been fooled.

Or ...
this simply was the reveal and Goshos way of ending this weird year and saying THX to his readers for their patience.

[blackmoon]

Regarding the dispute, over Wakita being Rum. I am 99% convinced he is the same, the 1% is due to the nature of revelation being not in a more grandoise manner. However, the clues are all there, the same driver, the same type of Rolls Royce is seen from afar, and the eye shape before and after is the same, and Wakita is the only to have a left eye problem, others have the right eye being problematic. And what strengthens my hypothesis and establishes the fact that Wakita=Rum, is the phone module, if you look at Rum and then at Wakita, they have the same grey-ish phone with two cameras to the upper left side. While in the manga, Hyue and Wakita have similar phones, in the anime, it is Wakita's phone that is more similar to the shape of the phone in this file. Proving that Wakita = Rum, unless something crazy might come up, like Wakita is impersonating as Rum, or Rum is more than one person, which is disproven at this point.

My only problem with the whole Wakita=Rum, is why on earth would Rum himself the 2nd in command, would sit next to a dubious Rye, to find out if he is genuine or a spy. Why make the 2nd in command and the 2nd most dangerous person sit down in a warehouse, without regards to being captured, and not just send Vermouth/Bourbon in disguise or any other disguisable agent..

Maybe... because RUM is really impatient and doesn't want to wait for reports from another subordinate and rather find out himself? Either that or RUM has a subordinate who did plastic surgery to look exactly like him to do the job for him?

[MeiTanteixX]

Spoiler pics: https://imgur.com/a/Q3mf7ba

Eh... for prosperity sake, I'll put the following in a spoiler box lol

Spoiler:

I'm pleasantly surprised Gosho made this reveal in this case cause I thought he'll drag this out a bit more. That's the only thing I'm surprised about, though

Wakita being Rum was always the most likely possibility. The "time is money" bit and the lack of meeting Haibara were the prime giveaways.

And lol looks like I was right on the money to bring back the theory of the old man from the warehouse. Imma pat myself on the back for that one

Truly deserves a big pat on the back for that. In just the nick of time, you uncovered what imo was the most surprising part of the reveal (apart from the shock-value of a reveal suddenly hitting us in this case).

[andi2ews]

I read all your comments about the differences between RUM's car and Wakita's car. According to me they are equal and also the driver is the same so i think it's impossibile that RUM and Wakita are different person. Also file 1066 title is RUM, so why would Gosho trap us for no reason.
given the developments the only way for RUM = Chikara is Chikara = Wakita.
That's possibile and i hope for this.
In fact we know thanks to Vodka that RUM changed his face, but change the own face is different from disguising. So i think that the old man without the eye is RUM true appearance while Wakita is a disguise for his mission undercover while Chikara could be his real identity


Wakita Kanenori is 100% a fake name, so Wakita is not the real RUM identity. Wakita is at best an alter ego of RUM