Mafia Round 12 - Bear Round! (Day Five...??)

[CTU]

Well when can be begin the random accusations? If now then


LYNCH XPON

lol

Where have you been the last 283 posts!!??
Shopping?

MW2...almost getting a nuke

that and I wanted to add that part so some reason I can't remember, but it seamed like a good idea at the time

[Schillok]

What if Vodka discombobulates Eisuke, and Eisuke discombobulates Vodka, and Vodka also does the kill that night?  (I don't have an answer for this.)

Well, I suggest a "Early Bird Rule" for this and any similar problems: The player who makes their final PM to the GM earlier will get precedence.
Of course, if a player changes his/her orders, target oder will then the last PM counts.

So if Eisuke (with the Bowtie) and Vodka (killing that night) discombobulate each other then the one who sent their PM first will be able to carry out their second action during the night as well. While the "late bird" will get a "failed" for both of his/her actions.

This also works for KID and Vermouth disguising as police and trying to arrest each other (or house-search each other) during the same phase: Whoever moved first, will make the arrest and save himself/herself from being arrested.
And also the same when the town gets an APTX and tries to poison the BO trying to poison that day.
And it finally solves the "stealing" problem: The fastest thief can get any item, the slowest only one of the remaining ones. And if the target has no item left then the slowest thief will steal nothing...

Sure, in all cases they could also block, arrest or kill each other. But I think giving the faster player the advantage is a good idea.
After all: Usually orders are given at the latest opportunity to react to any changes that happen during a phase. This way giving an order earlier also has advantages and players have to prioritize.
Of course the normal order - arresting > tricking > killing > others - is not affected by this rule. 

[Callid]

What if Vodka discombobulates Eisuke, and Eisuke discombobulates Vodka, and Vodka also does the kill that night?  (I don't have an answer for this.)

Well, I suggest a "Early Bird Rule" for this and any similar problems: The player who makes their final PM to the GM earlier will get precedence.
Of course, if a player changes his/her orders, target oder will then the last PM counts.

So if Eisuke (with the Bowtie) and Vodka (killing that night) discombobulate each other then the one who sent their PM first will be able to carry out their second action during the night as well. While the "late bird" will get a "failed" for both of his/her actions.

This also works for KID and Vermouth disguising as police and trying to arrest each other (or house-search each other) during the same phase: Whoever moved first, will make the arrest and save himself/herself from being arrested.
And also the same when the town gets an APTX and tries to poison the BO trying to poison that day.
And it finally solves the "stealing" problem: The fastest thief can get any item, the slowest only one of the remaining ones. And if the target has no item left then the slowest thief will steal nothing...

Sure, in all cases they could also block, arrest or kill each other. But I think giving the faster player the advantage is a good idea.
After all: Usually orders are given at the latest opportunity to react to any changes that happen during a phase. This way giving an order earlier also has advantages and players have to prioritize.
Of course the normal order - arresting > tricking > killing > others - is not affected by this rule. 

I'm against the "Early Bird Rule". We are on an international forum, and this rule clearly puts everyone "late" in the time zone in a strong disadvantage. For example, we once had the day/night change at 04:00 in Germany, so if I had wanted to be sure my discombobulating works, I had had to get up in the middle of the night only to send one PM.

I'd suggest the "run into each other"-variant: Any action from both fail.
Two house searches do not hinder each other, and as an arrest is ordered before it's executed, both arrests work as well.
Also, as a poison doesn't take effect immediately (especially if it's only, let's say, put into a drink), both die due to APTX.
And in stealing there's no game play problem with the same item stolen twice - of course only if the random gives the same result.

[Schillok]

I'm against the "Early Bird Rule". We are on an international forum, and this rule clearly puts everyone "late" in the time zone in a strong disadvantage. For example, we once had the day/night change at 04:00 in Germany, so if I had wanted to be sure my discombobulating works, I had had to get up in the middle of the night only to send one PM.

Why a disadvantage? This rule would only be in effect if both tricksters trick each other. So the only time when you would have to get up this early is when you already know who the other trickster is (and that he will probably target you). However, if you know that already: Why didn't the town lynch him during the day? Why didn't the BO poison him during the day?

In most of the cases players wait as long as possible to get a better grasp who their opponents are, to exchange information with allies or watch accusations in the thread. In this case the faster player is in a worse situation that the player waiting until the last moment.

[Callid]

I'm against the "Early Bird Rule". We are on an international forum, and this rule clearly puts everyone "late" in the time zone in a strong disadvantage. For example, we once had the day/night change at 04:00 in Germany, so if I had wanted to be sure my discombobulating works, I had had to get up in the middle of the night only to send one PM.

Why a disadvantage? This rule would only be in effect if both tricksters trick each other. So the only time when you would have to get up this early is when you already know who the other trickster is (and that he will probably target you). However, if you know that already: Why didn't the town lynch him during the day? Why didn't the BO poison him during the day?

In most of the cases players wait as long as possible to get a better grasp who their opponents are, to exchange information with allies or watch accusations in the thread. In this case the faster player is in a worse situation that the player waiting until the last moment.

I don't need to know who he is, I only mustn't know that he's someone else, cause there's always the possibility that he's the other trickster and that he tricks me, and to rule out that possibility I need to go first. But just imagine I had school at that time and simply COULDN'T be first, no matter how I tried. Wouldn't that be unfair?

[Kleene Onigiri]

I'm against the "Early Bird Rule". We are on an international forum, and this rule clearly puts everyone "late" in the time zone in a strong disadvantage. For example, we once had the day/night change at 04:00 in Germany, so if I had wanted to be sure my discombobulating works, I had had to get up in the middle of the night only to send one PM.

Why a disadvantage? This rule would only be in effect if both tricksters trick each other. So the only time when you would have to get up this early is when you already know who the other trickster is (and that he will probably target you). However, if you know that already: Why didn't the town lynch him during the day? Why didn't the BO poison him during the day?

In most of the cases players wait as long as possible to get a better grasp who their opponents are, to exchange information with allies or watch accusations in the thread. In this case the faster player is in a worse situation that the player waiting until the last moment.

I don't need to know who he is, I only mustn't know that he's someone else, cause there's always the possibility that he's the other trickster and that he tricks me, and to rule out that possibility I need to go first. But just imagine I had school at that time and simply COULDN'T be first, no matter how I tried. Wouldn't that be unfair?

I agree with Callid here. The idea is good, but because we are international it would be unfair to do it like that.

[TheBlind]

Alright, I got my role. I'm best friends with Xcommando who is a DB along with Abs. and Akonyl. This should be an interesting game.

[Tanner-kun]

Alright, I got my role. I'm best friends with Xcommando who is a DB along with Abs. and Akonyl. This should be an interesting game.

when did this happen... im OK with it though and i am going to say this now before are roles are sent out.

I randomly chose 3 people i will vote one of these 3 on day 1 i am telling you in advance to avoid suspicion for random voting!!! i got these from random.org so don't blame me if your name is on the list.

Beastly
xpon
xcommandomaybe not that last one...

[Abs.]

I randomly chose 3 people i will vote one of these 3 on day 1 i am telling you in advance to avoid suspicion for random voting!!! i got these from random.org so don't blame me if your name is on the list.

Beastly
xpon
xcommandomaybe not that last one...

...And if Xcommando DOESN'T vote for any of those three people on Day 1, it means that he, Beastly, and xpon are all BO!

[Commi-Ninja]

I randomly chose 3 people i will vote one of these 3 on day 1 i am telling you in advance to avoid suspicion for random voting!!! i got these from random.org so don't blame me if your name is on the list.

Beastly
xpon
xcommandomaybe not that last one...

...And if Xcommando DOESN'T vote for any of those three people on Day 1, it means that he, Beastly, and xpon are all BO!

And Abs. will be Anokata, so let's make sure to arrest him!

[James Rye]

Alright, I got my role. I'm best friends with Xcommando who is a DB along with Abs. and Akonyl. This should be an interesting game.

Meh, i didn´t got mine yet. -_-

And i follow Xcommandos advise to lynch Xcommando, better to play save at day 1 right?

[TheBlind]

I randomly chose 3 people i will vote one of these 3 on day 1 i am telling you in advance to avoid suspicion for random voting!!! i got these from random.org so don't blame me if your name is on the list.

Beastly
xpon
xcommandomaybe not that last one...

...And if Xcommando DOESN'T vote for any of those three people on Day 1, it means that he, Beastly, and xpon are all BO!

Seeing how Day One lynches have gone in the past, he would probably vote for himself as a cover and get lynched with two votes, thus ruining his plan. .

[Tanner-kun]

I randomly chose 3 people i will vote one of these 3 on day 1 i am telling you in advance to avoid suspicion for random voting!!! i got these from random.org so don't blame me if your name is on the list.

Beastly
xpon
xcommandomaybe not that last one...

...And if Xcommando DOESN'T vote for any of those three people on Day 1, it means that he, Beastly, and xpon are all BO!

Seeing how Day One lynches have gone in the past, he would probably vote for himself as a cover and get lynched with two votes, thus ruining his plan. .

no i wouldn't vote myself *remembers game 2* eer never mind. well this is just if i don't get a lead.

[Akonyl]

Round 11: Chianti, BOOM HEADSHOT @akonyl (note: Beastyl was BO too again :x)

D:

also I think that beastly may have been the BO the most out of anyone, because I think he was BO in one or two other rounds as well.

Alright, I got my role. I'm best friends with Xcommando who is a DB along with Abs. and Akonyl. This should be an interesting game.

note, this means TheBlind is a BO because it's impossible to friend a DB, last I checked. Lynch him!

Also, to the Early bird rule, I respectfully disagree as well.

[xpon]

remember guys.

every time you let me live past day 1. i will make the BO confuse and dizzy.

so let me live!











Well. i made the town dizzy this round too.. so.. he he he