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[Beastly]

Sakina: Check PM  trust me.

[Tanner-kun]

Yea so the only reasons why he'd what to be lynched is...

1) hes akai shuichi whats someone dead with him
2) he is a black org member trying to appear innocent
3) he is a citizen and wants to prove their innocents
6) he is a detective and will post his results and his death will prove his role
5) he is going commando (Wow a term after me)

now should we lynch him or not...

[Akonyl]

okay, so because multiple people have made this mistake already:
CONIA IS NOT IN THE GAME
stop trying to do things to him



if you want to see a list of who's in the game, click on the link to the Game 3 big post in the first post of the thread.
viewtopic.php?p=91531#p91531

[Beastly]

Yea so the only reasons why he'd what to be lynched is...

1) hes akai shuichi whats someone dead with him
2) he is a black org member trying to appear innocent
3) he is a citizen and wants to prove their innocents
6) he is a detective and will post his results and his death will prove his role
5) he is going commando (Wow a term after me)

now should we lynch him or not...

Sadly u missed some.

And btw, my suspicion on you is bigger now  . Wont say its definited but its near there. And if im a detective why would i want myself dead? You got one correctly but not that correct.  I need the trickster to PM me. We can make a good duo. Pls PM no post here. And if u wanna ask some question kindly PM me.

[Beastly]

Sakina: PM back.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Reasons why he wants to be lynched (upgraded lol):

1) "hes akai shuichi whats someone dead with him" (originally by xcommando)
a) not disguised:
pros: He can lynch someone he thinks is from the BO.
cons: after the first night, you have a low chance to get a "right" from your "Investigator 5".

b) He's Vermouth disguised as Akai:
pros: The BO manages to kill 2 townspeople in 1 Day (1 at night (if not tricked/healed etc. and one at day (lynched))
con: if he really get's lynched, the BO sacrificed a member


2) "he is a black org member trying to appear innocent" (xcommando)
a) He's Vermouth:
He says that he wants to be lynched the first day. This makes people curious, whether he's a BO or not. Thus the detectives and FBI would Interrogate/Investigate him. But since Vermouth is in disguise, the outcome of the Interrogation will be "not BO".

b) He's Vermouth disguised as a foreigner:
Interrogation will result as "not BO" and if he'll be voted to be lynched, then he won't die, since he's not in japan yet.

c) He's Anakota:
Same as Vermouth, Interrogation will result in "not BO". But he can die with the lynch.

d) He's another BO member:
He'll be slandered by Gin and result will be "not BO" again. Can die with the lynch.


3) "he is a citizen and wants to prove their innocents" (xcommando)
a) He's a Towndude other than akai or foreigner:
He'll get slandered by Gin and he'll get "is BO".... but that doesn't make sense, since the BO will get an advantage.

b) He's a foreigner:
He can't be lynched anyway... but that would waste a vote for the townspeople... disadvantage for the Townies again.


6) "he is a detective and will post his results and his death will prove his role" (xcommando ... your numbering is off :p)
Proofing your role is fine with that. But doing that this early without knowing, whether you get a good result in the first night is too risky. (you would do that when you already have a "right" Interrogation at the Day)


5) "he is going commando (Wow a term after me)" (xcommando.... where it the 4? XD)
well...... for the lulz?


well.... if I got something right about him being BO... then I probably will be attacked this night ....... MEDIC!! AGASA HELP! XD

I need the trickster to PM me. We can make a good duo. Pls PM no post here. And if u wanna ask some question kindly PM me.

Seems kinda suspicious and risky, considering it could be a trap for the Trickster (and getting the Trickster killed is a good strategy for the BO).

[Akonyl]

a few rule-related notes about your deductions:

Reasons why he wants to be lynched (upgraded lol):
...

2) "he is a black org member trying to appear innocent" (xcommando)
a) He's Vermouth:
He says that he wants to be lynched the first day. This makes people curious, whether he's a BO or not. Thus the detectives and FBI would Interrogate/Investigate him. But since Vermouth is in disguise, the outcome of the Interrogation will be "not BO".

b) He's Vermouth disguised as a foreigner:
Interrogation will result as "not BO" and if he'll be voted to be lynched, then he won't die, since he's not in japan yet.

...

b) He's a foreigner:
He can't be lynched anyway... but that would waste a vote for the townspeople... disadvantage for the Townies again.

...

well.... if I got something right about him being BO... then I probably will be attacked this night ....... MEDIC!! AGASA HELP! XD

Regarding #2 and vermouth:
a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.
b) Vermouth can't disguise as a foreigner, as the foreigners are one of the roles that is not allowed for disguises.

To him being an actual foreigner, well it's not a rule thing but I'd like to point out that that's a valid strategy (it's what I tried to do to Elika last game). Although you "waste" a lynch vote, if you don't have any information as to who the BO is, because there's less BO than townies, a random lynch is more likely to kill a townie than a BO, so it can in fact be advantageous to attempt to lynch a foreigner.

and to your last line, though the medic Araide could help, Agasa can't help on the first night because his ability requires him to give the inventions away during the day phase (and there hasn't been a day phase yet).

[Conia]

okay, so because multiple people have made this mistake already:
CONIA IS NOT IN THE GAME
stop trying to do things to him



if you want to see a list of who's in the game, click on the link to the Game 3 big post in the first post of the thread.
viewtopic.php?p=91531#p91531

LOL!
Yeah, I got some PMs since the night started

[Conia]

Soooo,Beastly wants to be lynched right away huh... That sais a lot of things You gotta think more people! I have a theory, but I believe that I cannot post it since I'm not playing, so lips sealed for me

[Kleene Onigiri]

a few rule-related notes about your deductions:

Reasons why he wants to be lynched (upgraded lol):
...

2) "he is a black org member trying to appear innocent" (xcommando)
a) He's Vermouth:
He says that he wants to be lynched the first day. This makes people curious, whether he's a BO or not. Thus the detectives and FBI would Interrogate/Investigate him. But since Vermouth is in disguise, the outcome of the Interrogation will be "not BO".

b) He's Vermouth disguised as a foreigner:
Interrogation will result as "not BO" and if he'll be voted to be lynched, then he won't die, since he's not in japan yet.

...

b) He's a foreigner:
He can't be lynched anyway... but that would waste a vote for the townspeople... disadvantage for the Townies again.

...

well.... if I got something right about him being BO... then I probably will be attacked this night ....... MEDIC!! AGASA HELP! XD

Regarding #2 and vermouth:
a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.
b) Vermouth can't disguise as a foreigner, as the foreigners are one of the roles that is not allowed for disguises.

To him being an actual foreigner, well it's not a rule thing but I'd like to point out that that's a valid strategy (it's what I tried to do to Elika last game). Although you "waste" a lynch vote, if you don't have any information as to who the BO is, because there's less BO than townies, a random lynch is more likely to kill a townie than a BO, so it can in fact be advantageous to attempt to lynch a foreigner.

and to your last line, though the medic Araide could help, Agasa can't help on the first night because his ability requires him to give the inventions away during the day phase (and there hasn't been a day phase yet).

good to know guess I missed some of the rules sry ^^"
I thought about that "foreigner strategy saving townspeople" too. But it's kinda early to do it in the night phase since doing it during lynch voting time would be enough.
But now Beastly can try to find out who's the trickster and try to kill him the 1. night.
Of course, this doesn't have to be the case, but it is likely.

[Callid]

a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.

Nope, that's not right. She'll indeed appear innocent. And she is not better than Anakota, since
a) her disguise can fail if she chooses someone she mustn't disguise at and
b) she can be slandered (although this is unlikely) - Anakota can not be slandered and
c) she mustn't decide whom to kill.
Therefore Anakota is still stronger.

[Kleene Onigiri]

a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.

Nope, that's not right. She'll indeed appear innocent. And she is not better than Anakota, since
a) her disguise can fail if she chooses someone she mustn't disguise at and
b) she can be slandered (although this is unlikely) - Anakota can not be slandered and
c) she mustn't decide whom to kill.
Therefore Anakota is still stronger.

now I'm confused O.o"

[Conia]

a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.

Nope, that's not right. She'll indeed appear innocent. And she is not better than Anakota, since
a) her disguise can fail if she chooses someone she mustn't disguise at and
b) she can be slandered (although this is unlikely) - Anakota can not be slandered and
c) she mustn't decide whom to kill.
Therefore Anakota is still stronger.

now I'm confused O.o"

What is exactly your confusion?

[Akonyl]

a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.

Nope, that's not right. She'll indeed appear innocent. And she is not better than Anakota, since
a) her disguise can fail if she chooses someone she mustn't disguise at and
b) she can be slandered (although this is unlikely) - Anakota can not be slandered and
c) she mustn't decide whom to kill.
Therefore Anakota is still stronger.

o rly. Well then, although I would say Vermouth shows up as a BO by interrogation, since I didn't clarify that before the game's start, I'll go with what you said as a previous ruling.

[Kleene Onigiri]

a) A disguised Vermouth, although with the powers of a townsperson, still appears as a member of the BO if interrogated. If she didn't, then she would be strictly better than Anakota, which isn't very fair to Anakota.

Nope, that's not right. She'll indeed appear innocent. And she is not better than Anakota, since
a) her disguise can fail if she chooses someone she mustn't disguise at and
b) she can be slandered (although this is unlikely) - Anakota can not be slandered and
c) she mustn't decide whom to kill.
Therefore Anakota is still stronger.

now I'm confused O.o"

What is exactly your confusion?

whether Vermouth would be "BO" or "not BO" but Akonyl already answered