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[baka1412]

12. Haibara as a chef.. Her cooking proved to be more edible than Agasa

Wait, do you think we should held a debate whether Haibara or Ran as a better chef ? 

[bluekaitou1412]

Wait, do you think we should held a debate whether Haibara or Ran as a better chef ? 

OH NO, PLEASE NO!

[Girl19]

Glad to see another list going on! At least it'll keep this topic on-topic.

I'll think of something later.. ^^

[bluekaitou1412]

Glad to see another list going on! At least it'll keep this topic on-topic.

I'm happy when you are.

[AICHAN]

Haibara as... Psychologist ?

Careful, she'll messed up your mind 

We ll end up psyco-analazing her instead of she analizing us LOL

Spoiler:

Subject: Miyano Shiho

Prognosis: Clinical Depression

Subject is a hapa (mixed-race) female, age 19 (physically 7). Her mix seems to be Japanese/British. Incredible IQ, probably making a run for 200 or even reached it. Her areas of speciality seem to be chemistry and biology though I've little doubt that she's proficient in all forms of science and maths. An orphan whose parents apparently died in an accident when she was very young (probably when she was actually 6 or 7, judging by the first of the tapes that her mother left to her), though the way she speaks of the "accident" suggests that it wasn't and she knows it. She also had a sister, Miyano Akemi, who was murdered by Gin a few months before she and Shinichi met.

I can say with very little hesitation that her primary attachment figure was her sister, the person she was clearly closest to. There are indications that she obeyed the Syndicate's dictates partly to allow herself access to money and resources to further her research and partly in the hope of gaining enough influence to protect her sister. Shiho stopped her research in protest at her death, and even tried to commit suicide as a result. Perhaps the most telling incident of how badly her sister's death affected her is when she broke down not long after meeting Shinichi, screaming, "Why couldn't you help her?!" Some part of her is desperate to believe that there was some way her sister could have been saved, and after seeing Shinichi's deductive skills in action, it decided that his mind could have saved her. In fact, this may well have led to some bad guilt on her part- she may feel like Shinichi's failure was due to his shrunken state, and as his situation is her fault for creating the drug, she may well take this to mean that it's her fault that Shinichi couldn't save Akemi, and thus that her sister's death is her fault. Originally, this could have been part of why she went to Shinichi when she shrank- partly because she simply had nowhere else to go, but another part of her needed someone else to blame for her sister's death since she just couldn't handle the feeling that her sister's death was her fault, and for whatever reason- probably childhood indoctrination- she was unable to blame the Syndicate. So she blamed Shinichi- "For all your great skills of deductive reasoning, you couldn't see what was really going on with my sister!"- but of course, in the end, she found a way to blame herself through that as well.

They were shown to be close friends, and that Akemi had a tendency to hide her feelings to protect Shiho. As Ran tends to do the same thing, it's no wonder that Shiho seems to have transferred her attachment to Ran, on top of their outward likeness. Akemi's death left Shiho very bereft, as all indications are that she had no other relationships, with two exceptions- Vermouth and Gin. She seems to have attached to Ran as a substitute for Akemi very quickly as a result, something that she personally resents mainly on the basis of Ran's relationship with Shinichi- due to Shiho's own feelings for Shinichi, she can't help but be jealous of Ran. This resentment is something she tries desperately hard to hide- at the beach, she gives herself sunburn and a fever because she refuses to go into the shade, claiming that "it'll look like I'm running away"- but she has a hard time truly resenting Ran because of her likeness to Akemi, and after Ran saved her from Vermouth, her image as a substitute sister seems very deeply set, so now Shiho seems to highly prioritize Ran's life, perhaps as much as Shinichi does. While there are indications that her early insistences on Shinichi hiding the truth from Ran are based on a form of jealousy- an attempt to keep Shinichi "to herself", as it were- later on it appears to be based on a fear that Ran will die like Akemi, and she may even be suppressing her own feelings for the sake of the happiness of the two people most precious to her- Ran and Shinichi.

Her relationship with Shinichi is hardly "love at first sight"- while she seems to have respected his intellect to a degree, early on Shiho not-quite-subtly resented Shinichi for what she perceived as his fault in her sister's death. However, the fact that he took her in and protected her seems to have touched her, and the earliest indications of feelings on her part are at the football match, where she seems almost shocked by the intimation that she deserves to have a good time. Like many independent people, she really wants someone to care for her, which Shinichi does more than he realizes- or rather, he does it to the extent that any normal person cares for another, which is rather more than she seems to have encountered in any previous relationship except with Akemi. Ayumi's friendship is special to her for similar reasons, but her bond with Shinichi is deeper due partly to a kinship borne of being in the same rather unique situation, partly because she sees more of the "real him" than almost anyone else and vice-versa, and partly because his innate kindness and deep sense of justice are clearly things that she's not encountered a lot of before, and thus they're more than a little exotic and alluring to her. Basically, everything Shinichi is is something that she can relate to and yet has never encountered before, and he fills her hidden need to feel cared for, physically as well as emotionally. He probably has no idea just how much he does for her. She says that she stays around because he's an interesting test subject, but that's simply a pretext by this point, and while she is clearly afraid that once she creates the antidote she'll lose him, she's making it anyway because the logical part of her knows that he will not give up on Ran and will never be happy as Edogawa Conan.

She probably doesn't realize how many of the qualities she admires in Shinichi- kindness, justice, and what she dubs the "martyr syndrome" (being willing to go through any suffering or even death to protect loved ones)- are all present in herself. She knows that the Syndicate is evil, and since she's been with them all of her life, she probably feels that herself as a person is unchangeably, innately the same as the likes of Gin and Vermouth. She blames herself for the deaths caused by her drug, even though she didn't sanction its usage on people, but the fact that she finds the deaths so saddening and doesn't want anyone to be harmed by what she makes speaks of a kinder, less selfish personality than that which embodies the Syndicate. The depth of her caring for Ran, Shinichi and the Shonen Tantei-Dan is somewhat surprising in someone who was raised surrounded by the very worst of the scum and villainy of humanity, but that's probably largely due to her sister. While she's been shown to have a rather low opinion of human nature in general- which likely leads to her deep fondness with animals- her relationship with Akemi has made it possible to believe the best of people. As such, despite her fear of connecting with people- almost certainly a fear that if she comes to care for someone, they will die, as evidenced by her family- she's actually really good at it. Due to her strong, secure relationship with Akemi, she's quite happy and adept at forming strong friendships, despite her aloof exterior (Ayumi's afraid that Ai won't let her address her as "Ai-chan", but Ai realizes that she wants to and is very happy for her to do so- on an unpsychological note, I really wonder how they'll handle this milestone in the English manga. It doesn't use the suffixes and different forms of addresses, which I think causes it to lose a lot in terms of defining people's relationships to each other, and I just don't know how they're going to convey what a massive step it is in their relationship for Ayumi to go from the very formal "Haibara-san" to the very familiar "Ai-chan" when everybody calls her "Anita".) She acts aloof, but in the words of the well-known Bebo sticker, "I've built a wall not to keep people out, but to see who loves me enough to climb over it." She can form strong relationships easily, she's just afraid of what harm might come to people as a result of being associated with her.

She's also in good touch with her emotions, and capable of expressing them when she wishes, such as when she sobs into Shinichi's shirt during her first appearance. Early on in the development of her feelings for Shinichi, she shuns any contact with Ran in instinctive jealousy, thinking "Why am I giving her the cold shoulder? I don't want to think about it..." the wording indicates that she knows why she's avoiding Ran, and while she doesn't want to confront her reasons she nevertheless knows what they are. By the time of the aforementioned beach incident, she has clearly confronted her emotions and is now trying to deal with the resulting jealousy. In fact, she's almost certainly confronted her feelings by the time Shinichi tries the first antidote, as indicated by her strong blush and quick response when he asks "How come you help me so much?" If she has a quick response, then she's already thought out the answer- which means she's already thought about the question. Her feelings are strong, strong enough that she's capable of following to Shinichi to somewhere that she knows Vermouth will be- the one person who she makes no bones about scaring the living crap out of her- to save him. Her feelings aren't as subtle as she'd probably like to think; Yukiko, Ayumi and Mitsuhiko have all commented on it at one point or another, and the only one who seems to remain blessedly unaware is Shinichi himself. She definitely has the same "Martyr Syndrome" as Shinichi; she stays on the bus to be torn apart by a bomb in an attempt to protect her friends from the Syndicate's reach. She's brave, she's loving, she's in touch with her emotions- on this level, she's emotionally far healthier than Shinichi or Kaito, but if anyone she cares about dies, she will blame herself for it, and that will lead her back to the depths of depression.

I would unhesitatingly diagnose Miyano Shiho with clinical depression, although it's lightening. She displays affective flattening (stoicism); while she's in good touch with her emotions, she's not particularly inclined to show or share them, although over the course of the manga she's gone from looking permanently emotionless to permanently annoyed; this is actually a positive step, since display of any form of emotion is a good sign of reducing depression. It also means she goes bipolar less, from stoic one minute to crying into Shinichi's shirt or screaming in his face the next. She isn't shown to eat a massive amount, not anorexia-level but still not as much as she probably should, and she doesn't sleep enough either; she's often seen to work through the night rather than sleep. Unsurprisingly, she has something of an identity crisis, though it doesn't show much. She also seems to hold a very deeply negative self-concept, as I've already detailed; she openly and unhesitatingly declares herself the source of all of Shinichi's problems when they first meet, and blames herself for her sister's death, Shinichi's situation and other deaths, as I've already detailed, only worsened by the identity crisis. The most obvious and damning marker is her obsession with death and her tendency towards suicide. She shrank because of a failed suicide attempt, and has tried again more than once, such as remaining on the bus or standing and waiting for Vermouth to kill her. She probably recognizes at least some of this, and gives subtle cries for help. Not long before Shinichi gets shot, she stops to mildly freak out Shinichi despite claiming that she has "no time to talk, I'll be in the basement lab until morning"; she's drawing attention to the fact that she's not sleeping, also yawning a lot even though her kind of Poker Face could probably hold that back, explaining that she was researching all night; she also breaks into Shinichi's line of thought at the cinema, something that she probably realizes is a little dicey, because the mirror provides a good opportunity to quietly draw attention to the fact that she doesn't quite have a handle on who she is anymore, and possibly wanting reassurance that she's not evil like the Syndicate, although Shinichi, whose mind-reading powers seem to work on everyone but Ran and Shiho, doesn't really help by affirming her guilt crisis over their situation ("and whose fault is it that we're like this?"). To give him credit, he has recognized her suicidal tendencies, and seems to be on the watch for her attempts to kill herself, unwilling to let her die, probably a combination of his feelings on letting suspects kill themselves- tantamount to murder, in his mind- and perhaps some sense of obligation to Akemi, whom he couldn't save. She recognizes that she has a problem and wants to be saved, but we're back to "I've built a wall..." she is getting better, though, largely a mix of Ran and Ayumi's influences; It's Ayumi's bravery that gives Shiho the courage to reject the Witness Protection Program, the perfect out.

Two relationships and histories that can only be speculated on are her relationships with Vermouth and Gin. She and Vermouth clearly hate each other; rather, Vermouth hates Shiho whilst Shiho is scared shitless of Vermouth. It's unclear as to whether Vermouth's hatred of Shiho is a result of her defection, but due to the strength of it and how deeply attuned to Vermouth's Evil Eye Shiho is (she can sense it coming from Vermouth even when she's completely disguised as Dr Ariade) I'd say it's an old hatred. Shiho's fear may be a mix of Vermouth's elevated position in the Syndicate and the fact that now they are physically mismatched for any sort of fight, particularly what would be, if they were the same size, an epic bitchfight. The reasons for the hatred are not given and are probably personal rather than professional; it's possible that they each simply have innate rejections to the other's personality and the other in general (girls will probably know what I'm talking about; boys shouldn't ask. ^_^;) Whatever the case, they will never be friends.

Considerably more interesting is the nature of her relationship with Gin. They clearly know each other well; he is obsessed with her, and can identify even her hair without doubt. Often, when Gin is thinking of her, her background silhouette is nude: this doesn't imply that they were lovers or anything, but is a short of manga shorthand for a knowledge of a person's true nature or a deep familiarity, the bare facts about them, if you will. He seems to have taken her defection very personally, and this indicates that perhaps they really were in some kind of relationship; when they meet at the Haido hotel, she says "you did wait for me in this cold," and she's smiling sadly when she says it, which implies that perhaps once he was waiting to meet her for an entirely different reason. They may well have been romantically involved, however "romance" can be applied to an affectionless psychopath like Gin (by the by, affectionless psychopath really is the professional term. I'll get to that in Gin's profile.). She seems to have given that up as a bad job, but I get the feeling that it may have hurt her that Gin was the one who killed Akemi, and she may have wished that she could have changed Gin from an affectionless psychopath; his persecution seems to upset her.

Her other major relationship is with Agasa-Hakase; given how young she lost her parents, I find it unlikely that she ever met any of her grandparents, so he's probably the only grandfather figure that she's ever had. His deep, unconditional kindness is something she probably relishes; it gives her a sense of "home", somewhere to be safe, something which, under watch from the Syndicate, she won't be used to. While she's also partly grateful for his unwillingness to pry, I think she sometimes wants a little more emotional support from him; he mostly leaves her to her own devices, which means that he misses completely her subtle cries for help. Still, she's clearly already deeply attached to him as a familial figure; in the hypothetical worst-case scenario she confronts Shinichi with in the hospital, she says that Agasa-Hakase was held hostage, not killed; even in her worst-case scenario, she just can't bring herself to face the prospect that she can't save him. She also tends to take a more adult role, mainly in regards to Agasa's doctor's demands about his diet, although again this could be a minor plea for help, wanting him to, in turn, take more notice of her diet or lack thereof; since she doesn't discover how much is left to be desired in his cooking skills for some time, it's assumable that he leaves her to her own devices in regards to feeding herself, so he won't notice if she doesn't.

Overall, she's got clinical depression but it's getting better; depression is brought on by circumstances, which, despite shrinking, have improved massively. It's the kindness and patience of the people who now surround her, particularly Ayumi, Ran and Shinichi, that's allowing her to have a more positive self-concept. It would probably help if Agasa treated her a little more like a child, demanding that she eat right and sleep well and enforcing it. Secretly, I think she wants someone to; she wants someone to pull her out of every aspect of her depression. She's a prime example of "mind over matter". Her self-sacrifice in regards to hiding her feelings for Shinichi and Ran's sakes is admirable. She has very good people and emotional skills- she knows just how to cheer up Ayumi and Mitsuhiko when they're depressed about her perceived feelings for Conan, and these are the two which I think she could form the best relationships with, the latter almost certainly a good match as a boyfriend- because let's face it (I'm sure she has), her bread's buttered better on the Ai side than the Shiho one, and it's entirely possible- even probable- that when she finds the cure, she won't take it, which I personally think would lead to a happier and more fulfilling life than the one she lived as Miyano Shiho.

very good analysis^^ i don't know how much time you took to write this wall,but that's a great job

As for Haibara's career...maybe an FBI/CIA member... she knows alot about criminal minds...

[mangaluva]

Haibara as... Psychologist ?

Careful, she'll messed up your mind 

We ll end up psyco-analazing her instead of she analizing us LOL

Spoiler:

Subject: Miyano Shiho

Prognosis: Clinical Depression

Subject is a hapa (mixed-race) female, age 19 (physically 7). Her mix seems to be Japanese/British. Incredible IQ, probably making a run for 200 or even reached it. Her areas of speciality seem to be chemistry and biology though I've little doubt that she's proficient in all forms of science and maths. An orphan whose parents apparently died in an accident when she was very young (probably when she was actually 6 or 7, judging by the first of the tapes that her mother left to her), though the way she speaks of the "accident" suggests that it wasn't and she knows it. She also had a sister, Miyano Akemi, who was murdered by Gin a few months before she and Shinichi met.

I can say with very little hesitation that her primary attachment figure was her sister, the person she was clearly closest to. There are indications that she obeyed the Syndicate's dictates partly to allow herself access to money and resources to further her research and partly in the hope of gaining enough influence to protect her sister. Shiho stopped her research in protest at her death, and even tried to commit suicide as a result. Perhaps the most telling incident of how badly her sister's death affected her is when she broke down not long after meeting Shinichi, screaming, "Why couldn't you help her?!" Some part of her is desperate to believe that there was some way her sister could have been saved, and after seeing Shinichi's deductive skills in action, it decided that his mind could have saved her. In fact, this may well have led to some bad guilt on her part- she may feel like Shinichi's failure was due to his shrunken state, and as his situation is her fault for creating the drug, she may well take this to mean that it's her fault that Shinichi couldn't save Akemi, and thus that her sister's death is her fault. Originally, this could have been part of why she went to Shinichi when she shrank- partly because she simply had nowhere else to go, but another part of her needed someone else to blame for her sister's death since she just couldn't handle the feeling that her sister's death was her fault, and for whatever reason- probably childhood indoctrination- she was unable to blame the Syndicate. So she blamed Shinichi- "For all your great skills of deductive reasoning, you couldn't see what was really going on with my sister!"- but of course, in the end, she found a way to blame herself through that as well.

They were shown to be close friends, and that Akemi had a tendency to hide her feelings to protect Shiho. As Ran tends to do the same thing, it's no wonder that Shiho seems to have transferred her attachment to Ran, on top of their outward likeness. Akemi's death left Shiho very bereft, as all indications are that she had no other relationships, with two exceptions- Vermouth and Gin. She seems to have attached to Ran as a substitute for Akemi very quickly as a result, something that she personally resents mainly on the basis of Ran's relationship with Shinichi- due to Shiho's own feelings for Shinichi, she can't help but be jealous of Ran. This resentment is something she tries desperately hard to hide- at the beach, she gives herself sunburn and a fever because she refuses to go into the shade, claiming that "it'll look like I'm running away"- but she has a hard time truly resenting Ran because of her likeness to Akemi, and after Ran saved her from Vermouth, her image as a substitute sister seems very deeply set, so now Shiho seems to highly prioritize Ran's life, perhaps as much as Shinichi does. While there are indications that her early insistences on Shinichi hiding the truth from Ran are based on a form of jealousy- an attempt to keep Shinichi "to herself", as it were- later on it appears to be based on a fear that Ran will die like Akemi, and she may even be suppressing her own feelings for the sake of the happiness of the two people most precious to her- Ran and Shinichi.

Her relationship with Shinichi is hardly "love at first sight"- while she seems to have respected his intellect to a degree, early on Shiho not-quite-subtly resented Shinichi for what she perceived as his fault in her sister's death. However, the fact that he took her in and protected her seems to have touched her, and the earliest indications of feelings on her part are at the football match, where she seems almost shocked by the intimation that she deserves to have a good time. Like many independent people, she really wants someone to care for her, which Shinichi does more than he realizes- or rather, he does it to the extent that any normal person cares for another, which is rather more than she seems to have encountered in any previous relationship except with Akemi. Ayumi's friendship is special to her for similar reasons, but her bond with Shinichi is deeper due partly to a kinship borne of being in the same rather unique situation, partly because she sees more of the "real him" than almost anyone else and vice-versa, and partly because his innate kindness and deep sense of justice are clearly things that she's not encountered a lot of before, and thus they're more than a little exotic and alluring to her. Basically, everything Shinichi is is something that she can relate to and yet has never encountered before, and he fills her hidden need to feel cared for, physically as well as emotionally. He probably has no idea just how much he does for her. She says that she stays around because he's an interesting test subject, but that's simply a pretext by this point, and while she is clearly afraid that once she creates the antidote she'll lose him, she's making it anyway because the logical part of her knows that he will not give up on Ran and will never be happy as Edogawa Conan.

She probably doesn't realize how many of the qualities she admires in Shinichi- kindness, justice, and what she dubs the "martyr syndrome" (being willing to go through any suffering or even death to protect loved ones)- are all present in herself. She knows that the Syndicate is evil, and since she's been with them all of her life, she probably feels that herself as a person is unchangeably, innately the same as the likes of Gin and Vermouth. She blames herself for the deaths caused by her drug, even though she didn't sanction its usage on people, but the fact that she finds the deaths so saddening and doesn't want anyone to be harmed by what she makes speaks of a kinder, less selfish personality than that which embodies the Syndicate. The depth of her caring for Ran, Shinichi and the Shonen Tantei-Dan is somewhat surprising in someone who was raised surrounded by the very worst of the scum and villainy of humanity, but that's probably largely due to her sister. While she's been shown to have a rather low opinion of human nature in general- which likely leads to her deep fondness with animals- her relationship with Akemi has made it possible to believe the best of people. As such, despite her fear of connecting with people- almost certainly a fear that if she comes to care for someone, they will die, as evidenced by her family- she's actually really good at it. Due to her strong, secure relationship with Akemi, she's quite happy and adept at forming strong friendships, despite her aloof exterior (Ayumi's afraid that Ai won't let her address her as "Ai-chan", but Ai realizes that she wants to and is very happy for her to do so- on an unpsychological note, I really wonder how they'll handle this milestone in the English manga. It doesn't use the suffixes and different forms of addresses, which I think causes it to lose a lot in terms of defining people's relationships to each other, and I just don't know how they're going to convey what a massive step it is in their relationship for Ayumi to go from the very formal "Haibara-san" to the very familiar "Ai-chan" when everybody calls her "Anita".) She acts aloof, but in the words of the well-known Bebo sticker, "I've built a wall not to keep people out, but to see who loves me enough to climb over it." She can form strong relationships easily, she's just afraid of what harm might come to people as a result of being associated with her.

She's also in good touch with her emotions, and capable of expressing them when she wishes, such as when she sobs into Shinichi's shirt during her first appearance. Early on in the development of her feelings for Shinichi, she shuns any contact with Ran in instinctive jealousy, thinking "Why am I giving her the cold shoulder? I don't want to think about it..." the wording indicates that she knows why she's avoiding Ran, and while she doesn't want to confront her reasons she nevertheless knows what they are. By the time of the aforementioned beach incident, she has clearly confronted her emotions and is now trying to deal with the resulting jealousy. In fact, she's almost certainly confronted her feelings by the time Shinichi tries the first antidote, as indicated by her strong blush and quick response when he asks "How come you help me so much?" If she has a quick response, then she's already thought out the answer- which means she's already thought about the question. Her feelings are strong, strong enough that she's capable of following to Shinichi to somewhere that she knows Vermouth will be- the one person who she makes no bones about scaring the living crap out of her- to save him. Her feelings aren't as subtle as she'd probably like to think; Yukiko, Ayumi and Mitsuhiko have all commented on it at one point or another, and the only one who seems to remain blessedly unaware is Shinichi himself. She definitely has the same "Martyr Syndrome" as Shinichi; she stays on the bus to be torn apart by a bomb in an attempt to protect her friends from the Syndicate's reach. She's brave, she's loving, she's in touch with her emotions- on this level, she's emotionally far healthier than Shinichi or Kaito, but if anyone she cares about dies, she will blame herself for it, and that will lead her back to the depths of depression.

I would unhesitatingly diagnose Miyano Shiho with clinical depression, although it's lightening. She displays affective flattening (stoicism); while she's in good touch with her emotions, she's not particularly inclined to show or share them, although over the course of the manga she's gone from looking permanently emotionless to permanently annoyed; this is actually a positive step, since display of any form of emotion is a good sign of reducing depression. It also means she goes bipolar less, from stoic one minute to crying into Shinichi's shirt or screaming in his face the next. She isn't shown to eat a massive amount, not anorexia-level but still not as much as she probably should, and she doesn't sleep enough either; she's often seen to work through the night rather than sleep. Unsurprisingly, she has something of an identity crisis, though it doesn't show much. She also seems to hold a very deeply negative self-concept, as I've already detailed; she openly and unhesitatingly declares herself the source of all of Shinichi's problems when they first meet, and blames herself for her sister's death, Shinichi's situation and other deaths, as I've already detailed, only worsened by the identity crisis. The most obvious and damning marker is her obsession with death and her tendency towards suicide. She shrank because of a failed suicide attempt, and has tried again more than once, such as remaining on the bus or standing and waiting for Vermouth to kill her. She probably recognizes at least some of this, and gives subtle cries for help. Not long before Shinichi gets shot, she stops to mildly freak out Shinichi despite claiming that she has "no time to talk, I'll be in the basement lab until morning"; she's drawing attention to the fact that she's not sleeping, also yawning a lot even though her kind of Poker Face could probably hold that back, explaining that she was researching all night; she also breaks into Shinichi's line of thought at the cinema, something that she probably realizes is a little dicey, because the mirror provides a good opportunity to quietly draw attention to the fact that she doesn't quite have a handle on who she is anymore, and possibly wanting reassurance that she's not evil like the Syndicate, although Shinichi, whose mind-reading powers seem to work on everyone but Ran and Shiho, doesn't really help by affirming her guilt crisis over their situation ("and whose fault is it that we're like this?"). To give him credit, he has recognized her suicidal tendencies, and seems to be on the watch for her attempts to kill herself, unwilling to let her die, probably a combination of his feelings on letting suspects kill themselves- tantamount to murder, in his mind- and perhaps some sense of obligation to Akemi, whom he couldn't save. She recognizes that she has a problem and wants to be saved, but we're back to "I've built a wall..." she is getting better, though, largely a mix of Ran and Ayumi's influences; It's Ayumi's bravery that gives Shiho the courage to reject the Witness Protection Program, the perfect out.

Two relationships and histories that can only be speculated on are her relationships with Vermouth and Gin. She and Vermouth clearly hate each other; rather, Vermouth hates Shiho whilst Shiho is scared shitless of Vermouth. It's unclear as to whether Vermouth's hatred of Shiho is a result of her defection, but due to the strength of it and how deeply attuned to Vermouth's Evil Eye Shiho is (she can sense it coming from Vermouth even when she's completely disguised as Dr Ariade) I'd say it's an old hatred. Shiho's fear may be a mix of Vermouth's elevated position in the Syndicate and the fact that now they are physically mismatched for any sort of fight, particularly what would be, if they were the same size, an epic bitchfight. The reasons for the hatred are not given and are probably personal rather than professional; it's possible that they each simply have innate rejections to the other's personality and the other in general (girls will probably know what I'm talking about; boys shouldn't ask. ^_^;) Whatever the case, they will never be friends.

Considerably more interesting is the nature of her relationship with Gin. They clearly know each other well; he is obsessed with her, and can identify even her hair without doubt. Often, when Gin is thinking of her, her background silhouette is nude: this doesn't imply that they were lovers or anything, but is a short of manga shorthand for a knowledge of a person's true nature or a deep familiarity, the bare facts about them, if you will. He seems to have taken her defection very personally, and this indicates that perhaps they really were in some kind of relationship; when they meet at the Haido hotel, she says "you did wait for me in this cold," and she's smiling sadly when she says it, which implies that perhaps once he was waiting to meet her for an entirely different reason. They may well have been romantically involved, however "romance" can be applied to an affectionless psychopath like Gin (by the by, affectionless psychopath really is the professional term. I'll get to that in Gin's profile.). She seems to have given that up as a bad job, but I get the feeling that it may have hurt her that Gin was the one who killed Akemi, and she may have wished that she could have changed Gin from an affectionless psychopath; his persecution seems to upset her.

Her other major relationship is with Agasa-Hakase; given how young she lost her parents, I find it unlikely that she ever met any of her grandparents, so he's probably the only grandfather figure that she's ever had. His deep, unconditional kindness is something she probably relishes; it gives her a sense of "home", somewhere to be safe, something which, under watch from the Syndicate, she won't be used to. While she's also partly grateful for his unwillingness to pry, I think she sometimes wants a little more emotional support from him; he mostly leaves her to her own devices, which means that he misses completely her subtle cries for help. Still, she's clearly already deeply attached to him as a familial figure; in the hypothetical worst-case scenario she confronts Shinichi with in the hospital, she says that Agasa-Hakase was held hostage, not killed; even in her worst-case scenario, she just can't bring herself to face the prospect that she can't save him. She also tends to take a more adult role, mainly in regards to Agasa's doctor's demands about his diet, although again this could be a minor plea for help, wanting him to, in turn, take more notice of her diet or lack thereof; since she doesn't discover how much is left to be desired in his cooking skills for some time, it's assumable that he leaves her to her own devices in regards to feeding herself, so he won't notice if she doesn't.

Overall, she's got clinical depression but it's getting better; depression is brought on by circumstances, which, despite shrinking, have improved massively. It's the kindness and patience of the people who now surround her, particularly Ayumi, Ran and Shinichi, that's allowing her to have a more positive self-concept. It would probably help if Agasa treated her a little more like a child, demanding that she eat right and sleep well and enforcing it. Secretly, I think she wants someone to; she wants someone to pull her out of every aspect of her depression. She's a prime example of "mind over matter". Her self-sacrifice in regards to hiding her feelings for Shinichi and Ran's sakes is admirable. She has very good people and emotional skills- she knows just how to cheer up Ayumi and Mitsuhiko when they're depressed about her perceived feelings for Conan, and these are the two which I think she could form the best relationships with, the latter almost certainly a good match as a boyfriend- because let's face it (I'm sure she has), her bread's buttered better on the Ai side than the Shiho one, and it's entirely possible- even probable- that when she finds the cure, she won't take it, which I personally think would lead to a happier and more fulfilling life than the one she lived as Miyano Shiho.

very good analysis^^ i don't know how much time you took to write this wall,but that's a great job

As for Haibara's career...maybe an FBI/CIA member... she knows alot about criminal minds...

Thanks I wrote it a while back for my ongoing Psych analysis series...

And maybe, but frankly I think she'd be more than happy to never have to deal with criminals again as long as she lives.

[AICHAN]

Haibara as... Psychologist ?

Careful, she'll messed up your mind 

We ll end up psyco-analazing her instead of she analizing us LOL

Spoiler:

Subject: Miyano Shiho

Prognosis: Clinical Depression

Subject is a hapa (mixed-race) female, age 19 (physically 7). Her mix seems to be Japanese/British. Incredible IQ, probably making a run for 200 or even reached it. Her areas of speciality seem to be chemistry and biology though I've little doubt that she's proficient in all forms of science and maths. An orphan whose parents apparently died in an accident when she was very young (probably when she was actually 6 or 7, judging by the first of the tapes that her mother left to her), though the way she speaks of the "accident" suggests that it wasn't and she knows it. She also had a sister, Miyano Akemi, who was murdered by Gin a few months before she and Shinichi met.

I can say with very little hesitation that her primary attachment figure was her sister, the person she was clearly closest to. There are indications that she obeyed the Syndicate's dictates partly to allow herself access to money and resources to further her research and partly in the hope of gaining enough influence to protect her sister. Shiho stopped her research in protest at her death, and even tried to commit suicide as a result. Perhaps the most telling incident of how badly her sister's death affected her is when she broke down not long after meeting Shinichi, screaming, "Why couldn't you help her?!" Some part of her is desperate to believe that there was some way her sister could have been saved, and after seeing Shinichi's deductive skills in action, it decided that his mind could have saved her. In fact, this may well have led to some bad guilt on her part- she may feel like Shinichi's failure was due to his shrunken state, and as his situation is her fault for creating the drug, she may well take this to mean that it's her fault that Shinichi couldn't save Akemi, and thus that her sister's death is her fault. Originally, this could have been part of why she went to Shinichi when she shrank- partly because she simply had nowhere else to go, but another part of her needed someone else to blame for her sister's death since she just couldn't handle the feeling that her sister's death was her fault, and for whatever reason- probably childhood indoctrination- she was unable to blame the Syndicate. So she blamed Shinichi- "For all your great skills of deductive reasoning, you couldn't see what was really going on with my sister!"- but of course, in the end, she found a way to blame herself through that as well.

They were shown to be close friends, and that Akemi had a tendency to hide her feelings to protect Shiho. As Ran tends to do the same thing, it's no wonder that Shiho seems to have transferred her attachment to Ran, on top of their outward likeness. Akemi's death left Shiho very bereft, as all indications are that she had no other relationships, with two exceptions- Vermouth and Gin. She seems to have attached to Ran as a substitute for Akemi very quickly as a result, something that she personally resents mainly on the basis of Ran's relationship with Shinichi- due to Shiho's own feelings for Shinichi, she can't help but be jealous of Ran. This resentment is something she tries desperately hard to hide- at the beach, she gives herself sunburn and a fever because she refuses to go into the shade, claiming that "it'll look like I'm running away"- but she has a hard time truly resenting Ran because of her likeness to Akemi, and after Ran saved her from Vermouth, her image as a substitute sister seems very deeply set, so now Shiho seems to highly prioritize Ran's life, perhaps as much as Shinichi does. While there are indications that her early insistences on Shinichi hiding the truth from Ran are based on a form of jealousy- an attempt to keep Shinichi "to herself", as it were- later on it appears to be based on a fear that Ran will die like Akemi, and she may even be suppressing her own feelings for the sake of the happiness of the two people most precious to her- Ran and Shinichi.

Her relationship with Shinichi is hardly "love at first sight"- while she seems to have respected his intellect to a degree, early on Shiho not-quite-subtly resented Shinichi for what she perceived as his fault in her sister's death. However, the fact that he took her in and protected her seems to have touched her, and the earliest indications of feelings on her part are at the football match, where she seems almost shocked by the intimation that she deserves to have a good time. Like many independent people, she really wants someone to care for her, which Shinichi does more than he realizes- or rather, he does it to the extent that any normal person cares for another, which is rather more than she seems to have encountered in any previous relationship except with Akemi. Ayumi's friendship is special to her for similar reasons, but her bond with Shinichi is deeper due partly to a kinship borne of being in the same rather unique situation, partly because she sees more of the "real him" than almost anyone else and vice-versa, and partly because his innate kindness and deep sense of justice are clearly things that she's not encountered a lot of before, and thus they're more than a little exotic and alluring to her. Basically, everything Shinichi is is something that she can relate to and yet has never encountered before, and he fills her hidden need to feel cared for, physically as well as emotionally. He probably has no idea just how much he does for her. She says that she stays around because he's an interesting test subject, but that's simply a pretext by this point, and while she is clearly afraid that once she creates the antidote she'll lose him, she's making it anyway because the logical part of her knows that he will not give up on Ran and will never be happy as Edogawa Conan.

She probably doesn't realize how many of the qualities she admires in Shinichi- kindness, justice, and what she dubs the "martyr syndrome" (being willing to go through any suffering or even death to protect loved ones)- are all present in herself. She knows that the Syndicate is evil, and since she's been with them all of her life, she probably feels that herself as a person is unchangeably, innately the same as the likes of Gin and Vermouth. She blames herself for the deaths caused by her drug, even though she didn't sanction its usage on people, but the fact that she finds the deaths so saddening and doesn't want anyone to be harmed by what she makes speaks of a kinder, less selfish personality than that which embodies the Syndicate. The depth of her caring for Ran, Shinichi and the Shonen Tantei-Dan is somewhat surprising in someone who was raised surrounded by the very worst of the scum and villainy of humanity, but that's probably largely due to her sister. While she's been shown to have a rather low opinion of human nature in general- which likely leads to her deep fondness with animals- her relationship with Akemi has made it possible to believe the best of people. As such, despite her fear of connecting with people- almost certainly a fear that if she comes to care for someone, they will die, as evidenced by her family- she's actually really good at it. Due to her strong, secure relationship with Akemi, she's quite happy and adept at forming strong friendships, despite her aloof exterior (Ayumi's afraid that Ai won't let her address her as "Ai-chan", but Ai realizes that she wants to and is very happy for her to do so- on an unpsychological note, I really wonder how they'll handle this milestone in the English manga. It doesn't use the suffixes and different forms of addresses, which I think causes it to lose a lot in terms of defining people's relationships to each other, and I just don't know how they're going to convey what a massive step it is in their relationship for Ayumi to go from the very formal "Haibara-san" to the very familiar "Ai-chan" when everybody calls her "Anita".) She acts aloof, but in the words of the well-known Bebo sticker, "I've built a wall not to keep people out, but to see who loves me enough to climb over it." She can form strong relationships easily, she's just afraid of what harm might come to people as a result of being associated with her.

She's also in good touch with her emotions, and capable of expressing them when she wishes, such as when she sobs into Shinichi's shirt during her first appearance. Early on in the development of her feelings for Shinichi, she shuns any contact with Ran in instinctive jealousy, thinking "Why am I giving her the cold shoulder? I don't want to think about it..." the wording indicates that she knows why she's avoiding Ran, and while she doesn't want to confront her reasons she nevertheless knows what they are. By the time of the aforementioned beach incident, she has clearly confronted her emotions and is now trying to deal with the resulting jealousy. In fact, she's almost certainly confronted her feelings by the time Shinichi tries the first antidote, as indicated by her strong blush and quick response when he asks "How come you help me so much?" If she has a quick response, then she's already thought out the answer- which means she's already thought about the question. Her feelings are strong, strong enough that she's capable of following to Shinichi to somewhere that she knows Vermouth will be- the one person who she makes no bones about scaring the living crap out of her- to save him. Her feelings aren't as subtle as she'd probably like to think; Yukiko, Ayumi and Mitsuhiko have all commented on it at one point or another, and the only one who seems to remain blessedly unaware is Shinichi himself. She definitely has the same "Martyr Syndrome" as Shinichi; she stays on the bus to be torn apart by a bomb in an attempt to protect her friends from the Syndicate's reach. She's brave, she's loving, she's in touch with her emotions- on this level, she's emotionally far healthier than Shinichi or Kaito, but if anyone she cares about dies, she will blame herself for it, and that will lead her back to the depths of depression.

I would unhesitatingly diagnose Miyano Shiho with clinical depression, although it's lightening. She displays affective flattening (stoicism); while she's in good touch with her emotions, she's not particularly inclined to show or share them, although over the course of the manga she's gone from looking permanently emotionless to permanently annoyed; this is actually a positive step, since display of any form of emotion is a good sign of reducing depression. It also means she goes bipolar less, from stoic one minute to crying into Shinichi's shirt or screaming in his face the next. She isn't shown to eat a massive amount, not anorexia-level but still not as much as she probably should, and she doesn't sleep enough either; she's often seen to work through the night rather than sleep. Unsurprisingly, she has something of an identity crisis, though it doesn't show much. She also seems to hold a very deeply negative self-concept, as I've already detailed; she openly and unhesitatingly declares herself the source of all of Shinichi's problems when they first meet, and blames herself for her sister's death, Shinichi's situation and other deaths, as I've already detailed, only worsened by the identity crisis. The most obvious and damning marker is her obsession with death and her tendency towards suicide. She shrank because of a failed suicide attempt, and has tried again more than once, such as remaining on the bus or standing and waiting for Vermouth to kill her. She probably recognizes at least some of this, and gives subtle cries for help. Not long before Shinichi gets shot, she stops to mildly freak out Shinichi despite claiming that she has "no time to talk, I'll be in the basement lab until morning"; she's drawing attention to the fact that she's not sleeping, also yawning a lot even though her kind of Poker Face could probably hold that back, explaining that she was researching all night; she also breaks into Shinichi's line of thought at the cinema, something that she probably realizes is a little dicey, because the mirror provides a good opportunity to quietly draw attention to the fact that she doesn't quite have a handle on who she is anymore, and possibly wanting reassurance that she's not evil like the Syndicate, although Shinichi, whose mind-reading powers seem to work on everyone but Ran and Shiho, doesn't really help by affirming her guilt crisis over their situation ("and whose fault is it that we're like this?"). To give him credit, he has recognized her suicidal tendencies, and seems to be on the watch for her attempts to kill herself, unwilling to let her die, probably a combination of his feelings on letting suspects kill themselves- tantamount to murder, in his mind- and perhaps some sense of obligation to Akemi, whom he couldn't save. She recognizes that she has a problem and wants to be saved, but we're back to "I've built a wall..." she is getting better, though, largely a mix of Ran and Ayumi's influences; It's Ayumi's bravery that gives Shiho the courage to reject the Witness Protection Program, the perfect out.

Two relationships and histories that can only be speculated on are her relationships with Vermouth and Gin. She and Vermouth clearly hate each other; rather, Vermouth hates Shiho whilst Shiho is scared shitless of Vermouth. It's unclear as to whether Vermouth's hatred of Shiho is a result of her defection, but due to the strength of it and how deeply attuned to Vermouth's Evil Eye Shiho is (she can sense it coming from Vermouth even when she's completely disguised as Dr Ariade) I'd say it's an old hatred. Shiho's fear may be a mix of Vermouth's elevated position in the Syndicate and the fact that now they are physically mismatched for any sort of fight, particularly what would be, if they were the same size, an epic bitchfight. The reasons for the hatred are not given and are probably personal rather than professional; it's possible that they each simply have innate rejections to the other's personality and the other in general (girls will probably know what I'm talking about; boys shouldn't ask. ^_^;) Whatever the case, they will never be friends.

Considerably more interesting is the nature of her relationship with Gin. They clearly know each other well; he is obsessed with her, and can identify even her hair without doubt. Often, when Gin is thinking of her, her background silhouette is nude: this doesn't imply that they were lovers or anything, but is a short of manga shorthand for a knowledge of a person's true nature or a deep familiarity, the bare facts about them, if you will. He seems to have taken her defection very personally, and this indicates that perhaps they really were in some kind of relationship; when they meet at the Haido hotel, she says "you did wait for me in this cold," and she's smiling sadly when she says it, which implies that perhaps once he was waiting to meet her for an entirely different reason. They may well have been romantically involved, however "romance" can be applied to an affectionless psychopath like Gin (by the by, affectionless psychopath really is the professional term. I'll get to that in Gin's profile.). She seems to have given that up as a bad job, but I get the feeling that it may have hurt her that Gin was the one who killed Akemi, and she may have wished that she could have changed Gin from an affectionless psychopath; his persecution seems to upset her.

Her other major relationship is with Agasa-Hakase; given how young she lost her parents, I find it unlikely that she ever met any of her grandparents, so he's probably the only grandfather figure that she's ever had. His deep, unconditional kindness is something she probably relishes; it gives her a sense of "home", somewhere to be safe, something which, under watch from the Syndicate, she won't be used to. While she's also partly grateful for his unwillingness to pry, I think she sometimes wants a little more emotional support from him; he mostly leaves her to her own devices, which means that he misses completely her subtle cries for help. Still, she's clearly already deeply attached to him as a familial figure; in the hypothetical worst-case scenario she confronts Shinichi with in the hospital, she says that Agasa-Hakase was held hostage, not killed; even in her worst-case scenario, she just can't bring herself to face the prospect that she can't save him. She also tends to take a more adult role, mainly in regards to Agasa's doctor's demands about his diet, although again this could be a minor plea for help, wanting him to, in turn, take more notice of her diet or lack thereof; since she doesn't discover how much is left to be desired in his cooking skills for some time, it's assumable that he leaves her to her own devices in regards to feeding herself, so he won't notice if she doesn't.

Overall, she's got clinical depression but it's getting better; depression is brought on by circumstances, which, despite shrinking, have improved massively. It's the kindness and patience of the people who now surround her, particularly Ayumi, Ran and Shinichi, that's allowing her to have a more positive self-concept. It would probably help if Agasa treated her a little more like a child, demanding that she eat right and sleep well and enforcing it. Secretly, I think she wants someone to; she wants someone to pull her out of every aspect of her depression. She's a prime example of "mind over matter". Her self-sacrifice in regards to hiding her feelings for Shinichi and Ran's sakes is admirable. She has very good people and emotional skills- she knows just how to cheer up Ayumi and Mitsuhiko when they're depressed about her perceived feelings for Conan, and these are the two which I think she could form the best relationships with, the latter almost certainly a good match as a boyfriend- because let's face it (I'm sure she has), her bread's buttered better on the Ai side than the Shiho one, and it's entirely possible- even probable- that when she finds the cure, she won't take it, which I personally think would lead to a happier and more fulfilling life than the one she lived as Miyano Shiho.

very good analysis^^ i don't know how much time you took to write this wall,but that's a great job

As for Haibara's career...maybe an FBI/CIA member... she knows alot about criminal minds...

Thanks I wrote it a while back for my ongoing Psych analysis series...

And maybe, but frankly I think she'd be more than happy to never have to deal with criminals again as long as she lives.

as long as she stays close to conan/shinichi, she will deal with criminals...
she could easily be a detective,she proved she was able to solve cases...

[Tanner-kun]

im thinking a peraligal or detectives assistent *caugh caugh* shinich

[soratothamax]

possibly a biologist, veterinarian, or biochemist....or maybe computer analyst or computer engineer...

Anything in the science field, ranging from chemistry to computer scientist.....

Somehow I'm not sure about her being a detective...She doesn't like busting criminals...though they could just be "face" she's putting on. She probably enjoys it more than she lets on.

[bluekaitou1412]

Note: Please number your suggestions, so that we can keep track. Also, be sure to state a reason for each suggestion.
(Sorry, soratothamax and Xcommando, I won't be including your last posts. Please specify a reason and then I'll include it.)

The list so far:

Spoiler:

Haibara Ai's Possible Line of Work/Profession in the Future (assuming she does not take an antidote)

1. Chemist - I don't need to say anything.

2. Florist - The OP's recently shown her with flowers, that's why.

3. Housewife - Married to someone.

4. Veterinarian - She's good with animals and science.

5. Hitwoman - I like her awesomeness when she fires a gun.

6. Teacher (of some variety, probably chemistry or biology) - Because she's pretty good with kids, and she's creepy enough for everyone to pay attention to her in class.

7. Fashion designer - Because she likes fashion, obviously.

8. Singer - She sings well and seems to know a lot about music.

9. Saleswoman - Remember, she is persuasive.

10. Psychologist - Careful, she'll mess up your mind.

11. Inventor - The chances of her helping Prof. Agasa in his inventions is pretty high, I think.

12. Chef - Her cooking proved to be more edible than Agasa.

13. FBI/CIA Agent - She knows a lot about criminal minds.

14. Detective - She proved she was able to solve cases.

[soratothamax]

Reasons?! for bluekaitou

1).she has been known to be good with human anatomy with the creating of the ApTx 4869, and with cell destruction and cells of the body of both animal and humans (since she's been known to test her Aptx on animals), and living organisms like animals, so Biology would be a good field for her...

2) Veterinarian because she seems to be good with animals, and likes them, as in one episode she tried to save a kitty, and in a manga volume she was good with a dog, and has done tests on them in BO. She tested an animal in her lab, which many vets have to do in order to cure animals. She would probably be very good with caring for the animals...more than destroying them....

3) Bio/chemist-As stated above she is good with human anatomy, and she is good with creating drug, and mixing chemicals together to make it, which is good for this field

4) Computer Analyst and Computer Engineer-She is always constantly on the computer typing, and she seems to have a good knowledge about them to know how to save data, and in one special digital re-air in 176  and to know certain disks have file destruction viruses like she did in 129.

Spoiler:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqBAXlNTLyU

I am not sure if she wants to be a detective because she doesn't seem interested in it...though she could be pretending she's not, as she's pretended a lot of things before....so keeping the option open

5) She could want to be a detective, policewoman, or part of the FBI-I would think the only reason she would be a detective is to fight off criminals, so they wouldn't make other people suffer the same fate she had to. She would want to have a way of fighting back the crime that she has endured, and would want to ensure that things like the BO will never happen again. She's already learning from her friends not to run away. And I think in the episode with Jodie-sensei asking Haibara to be part of the Witness Protection program, it was a fore-shadowing that she might be the "Jodie-sensei" of Shinichi's world...(like Akemi is the Ran and Shuuichi is the Shinichi..) especially when Jodie-sensei said "She reminds me of myself when I was young" They even have the same permed hair......

Also, Ai Haibara can handle a gun. Might as well put that skill toward something useful and constructive...

[bluekaitou1412]

Added

Although some of those are given already.


The list so far:

Spoiler:

Haibara Ai's Possible Line of Work/Profession in the Future (assuming she does not take an antidote)

1. Chemist - I don't need to say anything.

2. Florist - The OP's recently shown her with flowers, that's why.

3. Housewife - Married to someone.

4. Veterinarian - She's good with animals and likes them, as in one episode she tried to save a kitty, and in a manga volume she was good with a dog, and has done tests on them within the BO.

5. Hitwoman/Policewoman - I like her awesomeness when she fires a gun.

6. Teacher (of some variety, probably chemistry or biology) - Because she's pretty good with kids, and she's creepy enough for everyone to pay attention to her in class.

7. Fashion designer - Because she likes fashion, obviously.

8. Singer - She sings well and seems to know a lot about music.

9. Saleswoman - Remember, she is persuasive.

10. Psychologist - Careful, she'll mess up your mind.

11. Inventor - The chances of her helping Prof. Agasa in his inventions is pretty high, I think.

12. Chef - Her cooking proved to be more edible than Agasa.

13. FBI/CIA Agent - She knows a lot about criminal minds.

14. Detective - She proved she was able to solve cases.

15. Biologist/Biochemist - She has been known to be good with human anatomy with the creating of the APTX 4869, and with cell destruction and cells of the body of animals and humans.

16. Computer Analyst/Computer Engineer - She is always seen constantly in front of the computer, and she seems to have a good knowledge about them.

[Tanner-kun]

im thinking a peraligal or detectives assistent *caugh caugh* shinich

reason is because she often acts as conans partner and she is often referenced as his partner

[soratothamax]

Man, I just read the list and didn't even realize all the possibilities in her future! It's incredible!

[AICHAN]

what about an actress?!!!!!
i can't believe i forgot that idea!!!!
she's good at acting,(in desperate revival)