Rum Arc Discussion Thread (Plot + Characters)

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I think Rumi's scars are an indication she's Asaka and she fought Rum during the Kouji case. (Of course, the scars could have come from some other circumstance)

*Seriously, is there any explanation to that "demon in the darkness" thing other than Tsutomu being in the BO for a time? Cause in this case, he either infiltrated the BO for a time, or Gin once had to fight him and Tsutomu just happened to utter that phrase, or Mary and Gin just happened to coincidentally utter the exact same phrase in the exact same chapter and there's no hidden truth behind it.

The scars are likely from either the Kōji case, or the incident 10 years ago that put Hyōe in a coma.

I think Goshō did actually acknowledge this question—he acknowledged it with a typical non-answer answer, but unlike the Hyōe recalling no blood beneath Kōji's face issue, Goshō did acknowledge this point.
As recently as the time Holmes' Revelation took place, the BO wanted to get at Mary, and their knowledge of how Tsutomu looked and spoke helped them do that. If Tsutomu isn't Kanenori or Hyōe, then perhaps we should look at other characters he could be posing at. After all, these past three years have now had two major instances of characters who appeared in just one case and weren't referenced again... only for them to be suddenly revealed as major players—Karasuma, at the very least, was the original BO boss, and the old man from CoRaB is now masquerading as Kanenori Wakita. So maybe there's another character who hasn't appeared/hasn't been referenced for a while that Goshō's going to have turn out to be Tsutomu.

A very plausible theory; Hyoe was Rum and Rumi was Asaka, Rumi rebeled, and left the BO, Hyoe fought against Tsutomo and they supposedly died, Hyoe resurfaces as Kuroda rather than his previous ID as Rum, and while he went under a coma, another member of the BO became the new Rum in the time of the coma (Wakita=new Rum), which explains his Pirate's Spirit quote. Who could be very likely Tsutomo himself, and was undercover in BO, saw the chance after Rum's mistake to use his own ID as Wakita and rise to become new Rum to reach the boss.
Perhaps proving the description of 3 claims of Rum to be true; The feminine was his protege Asaka, the strong is the new Rum, and the old is the Rum that was left by the BO, who had to change his ID to escape BO and became Hyoe Kuroda.

It would explain the BO vibe of Haibara, except for Wakita. And the fact that Gin is wary of Rum having live enemies who know him (Rumi) and the BO's sensitive awareness of anything named Asaka. And the interaction of Hyoe and Rumi at the camp, it might make sense somehow..

Gosho has already denied that there are multiple Rums, and I'd say the odds of there being a prior one (let alone a prior one who is still alive and now a major player in current events) have gone down with this reveal.

But on the matter of who triggered Shiho's/Ai's BO radar in 987–989/909–910, it comes down to either Hyōe or Rumi being Asaka. Rumi was pretty clearly implied as the one, so the subversion of Hyōe actually being the one who triggered it would make sense—and this ties back to the potential subversion of Rumi being so clearly implied to be Asaka, yet it actually turning out to be Hyōe.

Tsutomu can be Wakita, if you consider the reveal to be fake. I'm still waiting for the full translation, but the phone conversations could have conveniently been with two different people. The car details and the co-passenger details are different enough for me to be skeptical about Wakita = Rum. It seems like how Gosho tried to establish Jodie as Vermouth by the photos on the cupboard.

But that would also mean Tsutomu was the old man from Andre's Clash of Red and Black flashback. He really sold out his son there, then.

But what about the driver? He's the same in both panels. That points to the car being the same, which means the person in the backseat is the same, which means Kanenori is Rum.

I don't see equivalence, there. That was a single panel with a blink and you miss it detail—a panel that was the last panel of the last page of the end of the case.
This current reveal, though? It's at least two pages (around 12 panels or more) long, and by no means as subtle—this is a full-blown reveal sequence.

"Kanenori Wakita" being revealed to be the old man from Andre's Clash of Red and Black flashback is already a huge indicator of the truth—this is a BO member who gets chauffeured around, has only one natural eye, and he's now personally investigating someone who stuck their nose into Kōji case-related matters... a case that's considered in the BO to be a screw-up of the impatient Rum, and a case that warrants investigation by the BO's top investigator of anyone probing into it.
It's just not likely to me this isn't Rum, and I think many of the assumptions he isn't are based on only a few panels of 1,066 being available right now. Just look at the text spoilers:

- “rum is wakita, it’s confirmed,
gin got a call from rum, and it was wakita who called”


- Gosho's first drawing of RUM in the file is as a silhouette without detail to the left eye
- All his orders so far have been in the car while he was heading to the restaurant
- We see Wakita put on fake hair (originally bald), fake teeth and mustache while accompanied by a body guard and driver.
- Wakita is extremely rich and his car is a Rolls Royce
- Last page, RUM exits his car and heads for the restaurant after he disguises as Wakita, and he looks at MOURI DETECTIVE AGENCY

And I also think most objecting to this reveal to the point of denying it as the truth is a genuine expression of, "I really don't want Kanenori Wakita to be Rum, and I'll have to think less of Gosho if that's what he's going with". While that's understandable, it probably shouldn't precede actually trying to make a logical case against this reveal being the truth. Now if the logical case came first and/or Kanenori being Rum isn't deemed a negative, then cool, fire away with what you got.

EDIT:
1,066 is now out in its entirety, and the car appears to be the same (again, the driver being the same is a major point against there being any misdirection, here). Nothing in this file decisively points to Kanenori not being Rum, and as far as I'm concerned, you need decisive, smoking gun evidence to actually argue there's a twist here, with the presentation being as clear-cut as it is.

[Shinan-Kudogawa]

I think it's safe to say Haibara got the vibe only from one source in the camping case. It'd be very random if at the only time she gets triggered from one of them (whom she's met before and didn't get triggered), both give her the vibe at the same time.

I really don't see how Tsutomu can be Wakita at this point. Wakita's clearly an evil asshole, and Gosho doesn't make good characters do truly despicable things. Plus, it'd mean Tsutomu has done a shit job at stopping the BO from targeting his family. They killed his son and his wife (as far as the BO knows). And in the latest chapter, Korn says that Rum told him to kill Akai if he ever sees him. Lastly, it'd make the BO even more pathetic if some outside party managed to infiltrate its ranks and climb all the way to become its second in command.

I do acknowledge that might be the case, that if he is truly Tsutomo, then he did a bad decision of protecting his family. Unless he didn't know at the time, or in some sort of amnesia. Not that I am forcefully encouraging the possibility of the theory, it is rather a consideration to be taken..

A very plausible theory; Hyoe was Rum and Rumi was Asaka, Rumi rebeled, and left the BO, Hyoe fought against Tsutomo and they supposedly died, Hyoe resurfaces as Kuroda rather than his previous ID as Rum, and while he went under a coma, another member of the BO became the new Rum in the time of the coma (Wakita=new Rum), which explains his Pirate's Spirit quote. Who could be very likely Tsutomo himself, and was undercover in BO, saw the chance after Rum's mistake to use his own ID as Wakita and rise to become new Rum to reach the boss.
Perhaps proving the description of 3 claims of Rum to be true; The feminine was his protege Asaka, the strong is the new Rum, and the old is the Rum that was left by the BO, who had to change his ID to escape BO and became Hyoe Kuroda.

It would explain the BO vibe of Haibara, except for Wakita. And the fact that Gin is wary of Rum having live enemies who know him (Rumi) and the BO's sensitive awareness of anything named Asaka. And the interaction of Hyoe and Rumi at the camp, it might make sense somehow..

Gosho has already denied that there are multiple Rums, and I'd say the odds of there being a prior one (let alone a prior one who is still alive and now a major player in current events) have gone down with this reveal.

But on the matter of who triggered Shiho's/Ai's BO radar in 987–989/909–910, it comes down to either Hyōe or Rumi being Asaka. Rumi was pretty clearly implied as the one, so the subversion of Hyōe actually being the one who triggered it would make sense—and this ties back to the potential subversion of Rumi being so clearly implied to be Asaka, yet it actually turning out to be Hyōe.

He did deny the multiple Rum existence at one point in time, anyways I do take it that story-wise it has been only one Rum who's mistake is still annoying to Gin, hinting it is at least the same Rum from 17 years ago. And I have to agree, that in the light of Hyoe being the Asaka in question is more likely nontheless. I do see it in a better way, that Rumi perhaps was not BO related and in fact she is the one who fought off Asaka (Hyoe) and stole the APTX list from him.

Many things can be theorized and said, I do not want to be hasty and throw theories out, therefore, I'd prefer to stay on point and gather all the info available .

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Many things can be theorized and said, I do not want to be hasty and throw theories out, therefore, I'd prefer to stay on point and gather all the info available .

Yeah, by all means. If anyone has an observation they think hasn't been noticed and/or talked about, then I'd be down for hearing it out.

[Shinan-Kudogawa]

Many things can be theorized and said, I do not want to be hasty and throw theories out, therefore, I'd prefer to stay on point and gather all the info available .

Yeah, by all means. If anyone has an observation they think hasn't been noticed and/or talked about, then I'd be down for hearing it out.

The latest thing I'm looking at, is this connection if it is genuine and not a red herring in itself ...

https://pasteboard.co/JDXJuSY.jpg

[Kor]

I do see it in a better way, that Rumi perhaps was not BO related and in fact she is the one who fought off Asaka (Hyoe) and stole the APTX list from him.

Shinichi's name appears on the list, so it's a very recent copy (plus, it's a digital copy)

Since this is how I formatted previous posts I'll do the same here.

Options for how Rumi could have gotten the list (as I see it):

1) She's a current BO member thus she has access to the data

2) She's a former BO member but the BO is incompetent so she still has access to its data

3) Someone currently in the BO sent her the data

4) She's not in the BO but she's a magical super hacker who hacked her way through

5) She recently stole an existing hard drive from a BO member, which also happened to contain the APTX victims list.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Many things can be theorized and said, I do not want to be hasty and throw theories out, therefore, I'd prefer to stay on point and gather all the info available .

Yeah, by all means. If anyone has an observation they think hasn't been noticed and/or talked about, then I'd be down for hearing it out.

The latest thing I'm looking at, is this connection if it is genuine and not a red herring in itself ...

https://pasteboard.co/JDXJuSY.jpg

As far as I'm aware, that story about those two passing out drugs at the Karasuma Manor was a fake made up by the culprit of that case.
But the idea of Kanenori/Rum being like Vermouth, and not aging, thus allowing the chance for him to be potentially involved in the massacre that did actually take place there 50 years ago? It's possible—not likely, but possible. I can see people going more for "this person doesn't age" twists when the subject of the twist appears young (like Vermouth)—Kanenori/Rum is clearly not young, so him being actually even older might not be a twist Gosho goes for. If he does go for it, it'll be more matter of fact, rather than twist.

1) She's a current BO member thus she has access to the data

2) She's a former BO member but the BO is incompetent so she still has access to its data

3) Someone currently in the BO sent her the data

4) She's not in the BO but she's a magical super hacker who hacked her way through

5) She recently stole an existing hard drive from a BO member, which also happened to contain the APTX victims list.

1) This would explain why the BO aren't all over her like they were over Rokumichi Hado's 17 year old song (954–957/866–867).

2) Or she found a way to copy the data so she wouldn't have to interact with the BO's systems—much less risk that way than continually tempting fate.

3) Probably not Rei/Bourbon or anyone from the NPA—considering how he and Hyōe have reacted to her, and the assumptions they seem to have made, it's not likely they've been backing her.

4) Shūichi turned out to be one, too, so we can't rule this out.

5) And she'd have to steal it in a way that wouldn't trace back to her, or else she'd be in the BO's crosshairs.

Her personality is my issue with her being a government agent—it's why I think it's more likely she's currently with the BO or is formerly of the BO. And then there's the matter of why the government would throw its support behind her, all the while seeming to let her have free reign without oversight. Certainly, she may have information and evidence that warrants them taking her seriously, but not taking her into custody, let alone seeming to leave her unsupervised? Now, since the domestic NPA isn't the agency that could be backing her, but rather a foreign agency, they may have to be more lax, but to this degree?
I'd say it's most likely she's current BO sent by Rum as a lure. Her being a former BO agent would still have to explain why the BO aren't all over her—in fact, being a former agent may make things worse for her, in that regard. And even if she was being protected by, say, MI6, we have another foreign agency, the FBI, getting bested by them when the Kudos and Shūichi aren't involved... and even MI6 got outwitted by the BO with what happened to Mary.
But above all, she has her own agenda, and even if she's current BO, she will likely do something that's disadvantageous for Rum and the BO—ultimately, she's a 3rd party wild card, consumed by her trauma and grudge over the Kōji case.

[Kor]

The reason why I don't think the BO sent her is because, what she's been doing is getting a teaching job and "targeting" Conan, even though the BO still has no clue or interest in him (as far as we know), and WakiRum wouldn't need her assistance, I imagine. And also Amuro doesn't seem to recognize her.

The "best" explanation I can think of is as follows: (putting best quotes because it's far from great on a logical level)

Rumi is Asaka and she's the uploader.
She's targeting Conan now because he looked up the Kouji info (the IP would be Agasa's but maybe Rumi did some research and saw how Conan was also in the news as the "Kid Killer"). So she decided to show up at Conan school to test him and see if maybe he could help her solve the Kouji case. It's also why she's using this fake name (though perhaps she's also using it to provoke Rum too).
She got the APTX victims list because she hacked her way through.

Regarding Haibara's BO vibes, with this explanation, either she's not BO and then Kuroda gave her the vibes, or she was BO but left after the Kouji case.

Amusingly, my biggest gripe with this explanation is how can she afford her apartment without outside help. As in, her apartment is one reason to assume she's part of an agency or that she's still in the BO, but as you said, she seems to have zero oversight. But maybe she just happens to have enough of a fortune to be able to afford it. Dunno.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

The reason why I don't think the BO sent her is because, what she's been doing is getting a teaching job and "targeting" Conan, even though the BO still has no clue or interest in him (as far as we know), and WakiRum wouldn't need her assistance, I imagine. And also Amuro doesn't seem to recognize her.

The "best" explanation I can think of is as follows: (putting best quotes because it's far from great on a logical level)

Rumi is Asaka and she's the uploader.
She's targeting Conan now because he looked up the Kouji info (the IP would be Agasa's but maybe Rumi did some research and saw how Conan was also in the news as the "Kid Killer"). So she decided to show up at Conan school to test him and see if maybe he could help her solve the Kouji case. It's also why she's using this fake name (though perhaps she's also using it to provoke Rum too).
She got the APTX victims list because she hacked her way through.

Regarding Haibara's BO vibes, with this explanation, either she's not BO and then Kuroda gave her the vibes, or she was BO but left after the Kouji case.

Amusingly, my biggest gripe with this explanation is how can she afford her apartment without outside help. As in, her apartment is one reason to assume she's part of an agency or that she's still in the BO, but as you said, she seems to have zero oversight. But maybe she just happens to have enough of a fortune to be able to afford it. Dunno.

That's certainly her personal goal in all of this, to try and get his aid in getting her revenge against Rum.
But it is true that Kanenori/Rum sending her out there and saying, "just hang in this condo and do something that the press'll eat up", seems a bit off, considering that he could just have Vermouth do that, instead (and that's probably part of the Rumi = Vermouth appeal). Because Rumi making that scene in 978–980/896–897 is the only thing she's done that would point to her being under orders from Kanenori/Rum to lure those potentially involved in the Kōji case.

The problem I have with her being a current freelancer/3rd party with no current outside affiliation or support (whether she was formerly of the BO or was never affiliated with the BO at all) is the BO's record on investigating any Kōji case link as soon as they find it. Why isn't she being investigated by them? Kanenori's/Rum's comment that she's "quick-witted" is the most attention she's got from them—clearly, Kanenori/Rum, himself, was made aware, so where's the response?

[Kor]

Kanenori's/Rum's comment that she's "quick-witted" is the most attention she's got from them—clearly, Kanenori/Rum, himself, was made aware, so where's the response?

My best explanation would be "Wakita's taking his time because Gosho doesn't want him to take action against Rumi yet". Which is of course just an out of story kind of explanation.

The Rumi mystery is basically in the position that you can't fully explain everything about her because every possibility has some logical counterpoints, so no matter what explanation you go with, you have to brush aside one or two details about her that aren't consistent with the explanation.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Kanenori's/Rum's comment that she's "quick-witted" is the most attention she's got from them—clearly, Kanenori/Rum, himself, was made aware, so where's the response?

My best explanation would be "Wakita's taking his time because Gosho doesn't want him to take action against Rumi yet". Which is of course just an out of story kind of explanation.

The Rumi mystery is basically in the position that you can't fully explain everything about her because every possibility has some logical counterpoints, so no matter what explanation you go with, you have to brush aside one or two details about her that aren't consistent with the explanation.

But as far as those kinds of explanations to go, it's definitely one Goshō's gone with pretty consistently.

And this strikes me as tying right into Gosho not wanting the major players to take action against each other—the more info he can keep from us, the longer he can keep this status of "no matter what explanation you go with, you have to brush aside one or two details that aren't consistent with the explanation".
That's why reveals like this are important—in addition to being a sign that greater progress just became more likely—Kanenori being Rum was certainly the simplest explanation, but until this reveal, I couldn't dismiss the other possibilities. We just need a moment like this for Rumi and Hyōe—those can give us answers about the Kōji case, and maybe then, I can finally get back to you on making a timeline for that.

[blackmoon]

Based on what you guys wrote, and the fact that only in Hyoe's memory is Kohji's corpse without the blood. It is most likely that at this point in Hyoe's memory, Kohji was not dead but knocked unconcious. Leading to the public image as seen with Rumi, Conan and others. As we know, Kohji is on the APTX list, meaning he definitely was forced into eating it, and the most likely scenario is that he was force fed the APTX after being knocked not before, as it would have saved him the bruises and led to an earlier death/deage. So in other words, if Rum killed Amanda, and his subordinate 'his mistake' decided to rebel and protect Kohji, leading to a fight between Rum and Rumi. Rumi is then knocked, Rum force feed Kohji the APTX and leave, and his mistake in the matter is leaving Rumi 'his protege' alive (explaining her access to APTX list). After Rum leaves, Rumi wakes up and grabs Kohji's belongings, i.e.; The horse piece and the mirror. At this point the dead Kohji started to bleed out due to APTX (mainly a guess that APTX does this bleeding).

But... Rumi's APTX list was an updated one with Shinichi's name on it not one that was from 17 years ago? If Rumi really did rebel would B.O. have allowed her to contiune working in the organization and even supply her with the updated APTX list? (And if she ran away from B.O. they didn't try hunting her down and changing the access password code to their APTX list???)

The series of events leading to Kohji being forced fed the APTX seems logical though... so first he was bruised and injured to the point of unconcious then forced fed the APTX... but I wonder what could have involved him in being assaulted in the first place? Surely he can't be a target of B.O. right from the start? Wasn't Amanda RUM's target and Kohji somehow being involved leading to his death was RUM's "mistake"?

So logically speaking... whoever took away Kohji's shogi piece should have been the first person at the crime scene? Unless it was intentionally left there at the crime scene as a fake dying message set up by RUM? Or if Kohji indeed left a dying message using the shogi piece then wouldn't RUM take it away? Why would whoever took away the shogi piece if there were no significant meaning in taking away the shogi piece? And it appears that the shogi piece was already missing at the time police investigators arrived at Kohji's death scene. Yet why would RUM/Wakita bring up the "missing shogi piece" to Conan and observe his reaction?

It all sums down to... did RUM took away the shogi piece or did Rumi? Or... did Rumi took away the shogi piece from RUM after he took it from Kohji? Was it a real dying message left by Kohji or a fake dying message left by RUM? Would RUM even leave a dying message that potentially points to "Carasuma" and be traced back to the B.O.? If it were real dying message then how did Kohji knew about "Carasuma?"

[Shinan-Kudogawa]

I do see it in a better way, that Rumi perhaps was not BO related and in fact she is the one who fought off Asaka (Hyoe) and stole the APTX list from him.

Shinichi's name appears on the list, so it's a very recent copy (plus, it's a digital copy)

Since this is how I formatted previous posts I'll do the same here.

Options for how Rumi could have gotten the list (as I see it):

1) She's a current BO member thus she has access to the data

2) She's a former BO member but the BO is incompetent so she still has access to its data

3) Someone currently in the BO sent her the data

4) She's not in the BO but she's a magical super hacker who hacked her way through

5) She recently stole an existing hard drive from a BO member, which also happened to contain the APTX victims list.

I agree with you, that Shinichi being on the list, demonishes the fact that Rumi stole the list 17 years ago, unless it is a digital one that updates itself with every BO's update (against BO's highly paid programmers, she would have to be a super hacker), it would seem less likely that she stole it and that was just the case. Unless she is an infiltrator/agent/super hacker, it is hard to pinpoint that she actually stole the list and the list just keeps updating. So the fact that she stole it, and it keeps updating even though it is stolen, it is highly unlikely.

Many things can be theorized and said, I do not want to be hasty and throw theories out, therefore, I'd prefer to stay on point and gather all the info available .

Yeah, by all means. If anyone has an observation they think hasn't been noticed and/or talked about, then I'd be down for hearing it out.

The latest thing I'm looking at, is this connection if it is genuine and not a red herring in itself ...

https://pasteboard.co/JDXJuSY.jpg

As far as I'm aware, that story about those two passing out drugs at the Karasuma Manor was a fake made up by the culprit of that case.
But the idea of Kanenori/Rum being like Vermouth, and not aging, thus allowing the chance for him to be potentially involved in the massacre that did actually take place there 50 years ago? It's possible—not likely, but possible. I can see people going more for "this person doesn't age" twists when the subject of the twist appears young (like Vermouth)—Kanenori/Rum is clearly not young, so him being actually even older might not be a twist Gosho goes for. If he does go for it, it'll be more matter of fact, rather than twist.

Actually, while th episode hints that the two persons showing up at the manor, might be a fake story by itself. The hint Conan uses; The King, Queen and Prince of cards, is somewhat relevant to the story of the massacre. It is a mystery, whether it is indeed a made up story, or appeared so to confuse others to not look into the matter (I remember that the notion, is that the case was erased due to the victims being highly important people of governmental issues). It is like I stated a mere interest, it's just curious, how few days after the death of Renya, two men (if the story is real) show up as to exact revenge on the sellers of Renya's belongings and were punished severly by the two men (If it is the case, they are most likely Renya and Rum).

Based on what you guys wrote, and the fact that only in Hyoe's memory is Kohji's corpse without the blood. It is most likely that at this point in Hyoe's memory, Kohji was not dead but knocked unconcious. Leading to the public image as seen with Rumi, Conan and others. As we know, Kohji is on the APTX list, meaning he definitely was forced into eating it, and the most likely scenario is that he was force fed the APTX after being knocked not before, as it would have saved him the bruises and led to an earlier death/deage. So in other words, if Rum killed Amanda, and his subordinate 'his mistake' decided to rebel and protect Kohji, leading to a fight between Rum and Rumi. Rumi is then knocked, Rum force feed Kohji the APTX and leave, and his mistake in the matter is leaving Rumi 'his protege' alive (explaining her access to APTX list). After Rum leaves, Rumi wakes up and grabs Kohji's belongings, i.e.; The horse piece and the mirror. At this point the dead Kohji started to bleed out due to APTX (mainly a guess that APTX does this bleeding).

But... Rumi's APTX list was an updated one with Shinichi's name on it not one that was from 17 years ago? If Rumi really did rebel would B.O. have allowed her to contiune working in the organization and even supply her with the updated APTX list? (And if she ran away from B.O. they didn't try hunting her down and changing the access password code to their APTX list???)

The series of events leading to Kohji being forced fed the APTX seems logical though... so first he was bruised and injured to the point of unconcious then forced fed the APTX... but I wonder what could have involved him in being assaulted in the first place? Surely he can't be a target of B.O. right from the start? Wasn't Amanda RUM's target and Kohji somehow being involved leading to his death was RUM's "mistake"?

So logically speaking... whoever took away Kohji's shogi piece should have been the first person at the crime scene? Unless it was intentionally left there at the crime scene as a fake dying message set up by RUM? Or if Kohji indeed left a dying message using the shogi piece then wouldn't RUM take it away? Why would whoever took away the shogi piece if there were no significant meaning in taking away the shogi piece? And it appears that the shogi piece was already missing at the time police investigators arrived at Kohji's death scene. Yet why would RUM/Wakita bring up the "missing shogi piece" to Conan and observe his reaction?

It all sums down to... did RUM took away the shogi piece or did Rumi? Or... did Rumi took away the shogi piece from RUM after he took it from Kohji? Was it a real dying message left by Kohji or a fake dying message left by RUM? Would RUM even leave a dying message that potentially points to "Carasuma" and be traced back to the B.O.? If it were real dying message then how did Kohji knew about "Carasuma?"

If the hypothesis is somewhat correct, then I would say that the BO is sensitive about anything named Asaca is a proof that they may want her removed (if she is Asaca that is), furthermore, if she was BO she may have a secure hacked access to BO's list/stole a recent digital copy?, the answer may alternate based on her true identity, again I don't want to be hasty so I'll drop less possibilites to look at the info we have only.

Kohji's death, refered by Rumi as 'foolish man', is that Rumi perhaps was to keep him away from interferring with Rum's job/was set to be killed due to interaction with Amanda, etc.. Nonethless, he is most likely not the main goal of elimination. Yet, Rumi's quote that he is a 'foolish man', may allude to the fact that Kohji insisted on becoming a target in a desparate measure to protect Amanda, or to leave confinement in his apartment, or perhaps he intended to leak sensitive info on the BO that he knows from Amanda, hence his quote "One should stick with their original plan", anyways this led to Rum's annoyance with him and deiciding to get rid of him.

Regarding the Shogi piece, it may as well be insignificant to Rum, so he ignored it, or due to a rushed escape he forgot it. Yet, Rumi took it, as she knew it is his favorite piece. And if she is somewhat romantically involved with Kohji, she took the piece as a reminder/souviner of Kohji. And as to why Rum/Wakita would bring it up to Conan, well as someone as important as Rum knows about the uploaded case info on Kohji's death, and Wakita is curious about Conan's involvement, and the relations of him being a student of Rumi who has been on the news due to her stopping a criminal, leading Wakita to investigate if she have any relation to the missing piece, or Conan is on the know, by seeing the reaction on Conan's face/actions if he was addressed with the Shogi piece by Wakita.

If it does make sense, I would assume; Amanda met up with Kohji, affraid for her life, she was to leak info on BO to CIA and FBI. Perhaps as a fan of Shogi/Chess, she started having a talk with her neighbor Kohji, slowly she revealed to the curious Kohji about a certain organization, and a person leading it named Carasuma, whom Kohji recognize as the dead rich person who is not supposed to be part of this world.

Rum (through Asaka or other means) pinpoints the danger Amanda may bring, so deciding to kill her before she leaks info, he quietly goes to her room and forcefeed her APTX, she dies, in the tidy room. Asaka/Rumi, talking with Kohji about the BO, trying to keep him away from BO's involvement, he shuns her and attempt to face Rum/go to FBI/CIA agents, Rum annoyed by this, decides to get rid of Kohji. Asaka tries to prevent this, leading to Kohji having the time to cut the mirror. While so Rum bests Asaka and knocks her, and walks on Kohji and knocks him as well, dragging him back to his room. Rum then force feed Kohji APTX, and his mistake not killing Asaka/Rumi leading later to BO's sensitive awareness about anything named Asaka. Rum, later hears agents trying to rush in, and leaves the scene, to save himself. Just then, Rumi wakes up, sees the dead Kohji, takes the piece and leaves. After the police takes photos of the crime, Wakasa saves them from the internet to keep uploading calling for help.

Meanwhile, Haneda family, hires Tsutomo to look into it, Tsutomo through the internet files and the info he gathered, and Amanda's previous status as BO revealer, brings to Tsutomo's attention the existence of BO. If my semi-deduction is correct, and the case is as what I imagine it to be at the moment, Tsutomo meets with Rumi, they figure Rum's identity, confronting him, however an explosion is caused, leading to Rumi's slight blindness, Tsutomo dissappearing and perhaps reappearing as Hyoe with the burned face ( a likely scenario, his colleagues found a dead Hyoe to be a great exchange of identity for the looked after Tsutomo, and so they disguised him as Hyoe). And Rum's loss of an eye to be replaced by an artificial one.

Since then, Rumi unable to trust anyone, she keeps the uploads, later to be confronted at the camp by Tsutomo, leading to that semi recognition. Tsutomo being in a coma, or gathering intel behind the scenes came to action after recent BO activity, and that now Rum is on the move. And Rum/Wakita, is rushingly trying to get Asaca/Rumi, and the people infiltrating the BO, he and the BO are on the look for anything Asaca related, while Hyoe, is siding MI6 with NPA and acting as the lead investigator on BO's movement, Bourbon, is a half British half Japanese victim of BO, whose parents may be Tsutomo and Mary (unlikely) or is a relative of theirs. Is trying to get back at his enemies by infiltrating them.

Conan and Shuuichi are most likely the chain that brings everyone to the same table, however I doubt BO would be a force against the collaboration of Tsutomo, Yusaku, Shuichi and Shinichi alone, not to mention the others lol. I wonder how the BO despite being showcased as super resourceful and large, would be able to face Shinichi, Shuichi whom they believe is dead, Yusaku the legendary detective, Tsutomo their hunter, Ker the CIA agent, Shiho their previous top scientist, Agasa the brains behind the gadgets, Mary the MI6 ninja, Judy the vengful FBI agent, Rei the elite investigator.. not to mention, Rumi, Morofushi Takaaki, Hyoe, Nagano police force, FBI and CIA, and other intel orgs. And the other characters that will help the Red side.

Against that, we have Anokata, Rum, Gin, Vermouth (a loose card), Chianti and Korn. I do think the BO is a large organization, and there are probably a large number of agents. But does it seem the sides are balanced?. Or could Haibara's comment, that there are some unbelieveable people inside the BO, is the key to balance BO against the Red team..

[Hard_Boiled109]

Sooooo now that we know who Rum is, is it fair to say that this line from Wakita “I'd be able to tell who the traitor is, who's trying to pull one over on me... like if a trader tries to fob me off with some old fish at a high price...” means he knows he’s a mole?

Also if the case are we likely looking at Gosho now gearing up to kill off characters?

[VDechand]

Hello, i´m new here and i have two little question.

After this Rum reveal, we start a new arc or? The final arc?

Did we get a date for the next chapter? I hope the break isn´t so long...

[dccd]

It might be that the Rum arc still continues and that Wakitas reveal wasnt the climax.
Maybe we get another big clash with BO vs FBI vs PSB vs Detective Boys or sth.

Next chapter will come up in 6 weeks, so its the perfect time to stay in quarantine and reread all 1k+ chapters.