Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,054

[vaibhavgupte]

What was Rum's original mission in the Haneda koji case? assassination seems the most likely, and perhaps the reason he messed up was due to an unexpected interruption by a another person that led to a lengthy struggle. Now i say lengthy because almost all the Rum suspects bear some form of physical mark a constant reminder of their failure and inability to complete the mission without interference (Either a missing eye, or scratch marks which Rumi possesses). This struggle between the opposing forces, led to kohji having the foresight to leave behind a dying message with the glass or else Rum would have cleaned up house and left no trace as per usual in the BO.

Amanda i assume was killed first and then kohji had the misfortune of falling upon the murder and was murdered shortly after.

Well good point there, but who else was involved and was present at the scene at the moment and could have unexpectingly interrupted RUM and led to a lengthy struggle? Assuming that Amanda really did have a body guard named Asaka, and it was the body guard who tried to stop RUM, but later fled the scene possibly due to another enforcement from BO, then it could also explain why RUM skrewed up because he wasn't able to complete the mission alone on his own.
What is strange in this possible scenario is Amanda's room was clean and was left dead in her room, so it appeared like her death happened before the said struggle. Then, if there really was a body guard called Asaka, why didn't Asaka prevent Amanda's death? Why wasn't the body guard around Amanda or what caused Asaka to be missing at the time? If the clash with RUM wasn't done by the body guard then who else could have been involved?
Now how about this possibility? Say if the body guard Asaka was actually RUM, then he/she could have easily poisoned Amanda with APTX without struggle or messing up her room, so it was an easy and clean job. Yet there was a struggle that appeared to happen in Kohji's room instead of Amanda's room, so why would that be? Was there any reason for RUM to go to Kohji's room after doing Amanda's assassination? The only reason I could think of is that Kohji might have saw or known something more than he should, and RUM was somehow forced to silence him because of that. So Kohji was bruised and injured during the struggle with RUM and eventually left dying and forced fed the APTX drug.

Then the real unsolved mystry is "Kohji's dying message" since it just doesn't make any sense... could Kohji have known that Carasuma was a shady organization at the time and knew about Amanda's death being linked to that organization? Could he actually have the chance to leave the dying message if he was forced fed APTX in which the result almost kicked in immediatly as was shown when Mary was forced to swallow it? Who else could have left the dying message? This possibilty also doesn't make sense: say to cover up the mistake of killing more people than neccessary, RUM himself/herself left "Kohji's dying message" and submitted a false report to BO that he/she skrewed up at the crime scene and was forced to fled the scene at the time causing the victim to left behind a dying message that points to Asaka = RUM and also a lead to the shady Carasuma just to skrew the boss?

Now from the case "A song named ASACA", it appeared that BO showed interest in the dying message as both Vermouth and Bourbon made their appearances, but really... why send out two high level members for such a trivial link? Was RUM also there and Vermouth and Bourbon was actually trying to protect Conan from RUM?

Anyways, too many unanswered question.

one point I want to note that kohji has name in aptx list
does not necessary mean that he was fed aptx.
it could be the red herring of volume 18
( case in which haibara was introduced).
(remember gosho once mentioned that there was
red herring in volume 18)
what I believe is kohji wasnt fed aptx .
I believe asaka is rumi ( bo member )who killed amanda and
kohji found out somehow as I think they were lovers.
kohji died by suicide after realising his lover rumi is
in bo and she killed amanda.
(kohji was man of principles)
there was struggle between rumi and kohji to save his
life as kohji tried to suicide but
rumi couldnt save kohji . ( or maybe he tried to suicide
with aptx itself. whose usage he saw on amanda)
he left dying message to bring bo and karasuma to light.
.rumi afterwards included his name in aptx
list even though he may not have actually taken aptx
to show she killed him as he saw her killing amanda.
hiding the fact that she loved kohji to bo.

and what I think rum ( who i believe is currently
disguised as kuroda) loves rumi .(love triangle)
and hence dispite anti bo moves , rumi is still alive.

[Reader]

Now how about this possibility? Say if the body guard Asaka was actually RUM, then he/she could have easily poisoned Amanda with APTX without struggle or messing up her room, so it was an easy and clean job.

The problem with this Asaka being the killer of Amanda is why did she/he do the killing in juke hotel out of all places? That person had ample time being a bodyguard. And of course hard to grasp that Rum being No. 2 has to disguise as a bodyguard of someone to kill while Gin does it outright in the public.

what I believe is kohji wasnt fed aptx .
I believe asaka is rumi ( bo member )who killed amanda and
kohji found out somehow as I think they were lovers.
kohji died by suicide after realising his lover rumi is
in bo and she killed amanda.
(kohji was man of principles)
there was struggle between rumi and kohji to save his
life as kohji tried to suicide but
rumi couldnt save kohji . ( or maybe he tried to suicide
with aptx itself. whose usage he saw on amanda)
he left dying message to bring bo and karasuma to light.
.rumi afterwards included his name in aptx
list even though he may not have actually taken aptx
to show she killed him as he saw her killing amanda.
hiding the fact that she loved kohji to bo.

Your speculation looks somewhat logical, but you forgot Rum's involvement in the Kohji-Amanda murder. Or maybe you are implying that Rum's involvement in that case is a red herring? That won't explain the screw up Gin was talking about.
If your speculation turns out to be true, it would be totally anti climatic considering the build up we have on the Kohji case so far.

[KingWilson]

Is this confirmed anywhere else in the manga? Because I don't remember reading it. Or maybe in the anime?
But Amanda's death due to aptx is not confirmed. I understand it is obvious to jump to that conclusion because that drug leaves no trace, but still...

It is confirm in chapter 948 that amanda die in her room if you check carefully, also i want to send you the image but i dont know how to do it so maybe you can reread the chapter instead.

[vaibhavgupte]

Now how about this possibility? Say if the body guard Asaka was actually RUM, then he/she could have easily poisoned Amanda with APTX without struggle or messing up her room, so it was an easy and clean job.

The problem with this Asaka being the killer of Amanda is why did she/he do the killing in juke hotel out of all places? That person had ample time being a bodyguard. And of course hard to grasp that Rum being No. 2 has to disguise as a bodyguard of someone to kill while Gin does it outright in the public.

what I believe is kohji wasnt fed aptx .
I believe asaka is rumi ( bo member )who killed amanda and
kohji found out somehow as I think they were lovers.
kohji died by suicide after realising his lover rumi is
in bo and she killed amanda.
(kohji was man of principles)
there was struggle between rumi and kohji to save his
life as kohji tried to suicide but
rumi couldnt save kohji . ( or maybe he tried to suicide
with aptx itself. whose usage he saw on amanda)
he left dying message to bring bo and karasuma to light.
.rumi afterwards included his name in aptx
list even though he may not have actually taken aptx
to show she killed him as he saw her killing amanda.
hiding the fact that she loved kohji to bo.

Your speculation looks somewhat logical, but you forgot Rum's involvement in the Kohji-Amanda murder. Or maybe you are implying that Rum's involvement in that case is a red herring? That won't explain the screw up Gin was talking about.
If your speculation turns out to be true, it would be totally anti climatic considering the build up we have on the Kohji case so far.

rum was definitely involved.
according to my theory .
rum (kuroda) was present at scene .
as kuroda has kouji memory.
but what exactly was his role here I cant tell.
he might also be emotional at this time
hence he couldnt figure out dying message.
and thats why its his screw up as per gin.

now you are saying all this isnt according to
built up so far.
let me tell you this thing.
in song named asaca case in kouji haneda arc.
we have three suspects looking exactly like kuroda
wakita and rumi.
and guess what the murder case is suicide.
( hinting kouji suicide) .( note this case
is in kouji haneda arc)
and guess what the woman suspect ( here rumi)
tried to hide his suicide by camouflaging like murder
which she comitted.
similarly rumi hides kouji suicide by camouflaging
it as murder by including his name
in aptx victims list .
and guess what the kuroda like suspect loved that rumi
like woman .it too was love triangle like this.

and the wakita like looking guy was reporter searching for truth .
similar to tsutomu who came in later searching for
truth in case.

now there is also hint in burning tent case
that kuroda loves rumi.
he says coz my face is so bad that nobody would look
at me. I got surprised when you stared at me .
this looks like a lover hungry for her attention.
he even knowsthat rumi wouldnt do camping.
something that he knows coz he loves her
knowing little details.

yup but these hints only tell that he loves rumi
and its love triangle in kohji , rumi and kuroda.
identity of rum is something I deduced further
as if wakita hints towards tsutomu ,
only kuroda has good chance of being rum.
guessing that if these two know each other
to point of kuroda loving rumi one sided.
such love only happen if they worked together
say in bo.
and guess what that rumi like supect worked under
that kuroda like suspect .therehe fell in love wth her.
I have built my conclusions on these hints

[jason342]

Lots of crazy theories i hadn't yet considered. I will have to review this case with more care.

The Rum arc is very interesting and i can't wait for more revelations to be made.

[Reader]

Lots of crazy theories i hadn't yet considered. I will have to review this case with more care.

The Rum arc is very interesting and i can't wait for more revelations to be made.

Yeah...let's hope this pandemic gets over soon...so gosho can get to work...

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let me tell you this thing.
in song named asaca case in kouji haneda arc.
we have three suspects looking exactly like kuroda
wakita and rumi.
and guess what the murder case is suicide.
( hinting kouji suicide) .( note this case
is in kouji haneda arc)
and guess what the woman suspect ( here rumi)
tried to hide his suicide by camouflaging like murder
which she comitted.
similarly rumi hides kouji suicide by camouflaging
it as murder by including his name
in aptx victims list .
and guess what the kuroda like suspect loved that rumi
like woman .it too was love triangle like this.

and the wakita like looking guy was reporter searching for truth .
similar to tsutomu who came in later searching for
truth in case.

now there is also hint in burning tent case
that kuroda loves rumi.
he says coz my face is so bad that nobody would look
at me. I got surprised when you stared at me .
this looks like a lover hungry for her attention.
he even knows that rumi wouldn't do camping.
something that he knows coz he loves her
knowing little details.

yup but these hints only tell that he loves rumi
and its love triangle in kohji , rumi and kuroda.
identity of rum is something I deduced further
as if wakita hints towards tsutomu ,
only kuroda has good chance of being rum.
guessing that if these two know each other
to point of kuroda loving rumi one sided.
such love only happen if they worked together
say in bo.
and guess what that rumi like supect worked under
that kuroda like suspect .therehe fell in love wth her.
I have built my conclusions on these hints

I must say, vaibhav, as far as drawing parallels between the story theory and individual case goes, this has been by far a good one. Thumbs up for that.
Rereading that case made me realise that the suspects do resemble the Rum suspects. There might be a slight chance that gosho intended this case to be a hint towards the Kohji case.

[jason342]

Do you guys think Rum paid Jeffrey Epstein a visit in jail?

Just kidding. This and the Dubai mossad assassination remind of the BO, regarding how well executed the missions were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeffrey_Epstein

[blackmoon]

Lots of crazy theories i hadn't yet considered. I will have to review this case with more care.

The Rum arc is very interesting and i can't wait for more revelations to be made.

Yeah, and just thought of another crazy theory.

Amanda went to Juke box hotel since she was on a business trip to meet a representive from the Carasuma group to discuss about whether to get involved in investing in a type of "miracle drug" that can make people young again. She insisted the group to give her 2 samples of the said drug still in testing stage and to try it out herself to see if it really works before deciding whether she wants to make a large investment or not. Amanda also talked to Kohji about her business negotiation with the Carasuma group and tried to persuade the rich Haneda family to also invest in the drug development and even handed him one of the drug sample to show her sincerity. After her short meeting with Kohji in the hotel in his room, and in her desperation to return young again, the aged Amanda took the APTX sample drug herself in her room and died not knowing about the drug's poison effect. RUM who was the representitive from the Carasuma group was also there in her room when she took the drug since he/she was there to wait for her decision to invest or not. Kohji somehow saw the face of RUM and knew about the Carasuma group's invovlment in Amanda's death so he must be silenced. He tried to buy time by claiming that he hid the other sample APTX drug in his room which RUM searched later making his room a mess after subduing him. Kohji actually hid the sample drug in his palm behind the shogi piece which he clenched tightly. He was still alive at the time RUM subdued him to search his room but later still got killed after RUM failed to find the drug he hid. Someone else later came and took away the shogi piece he held dearly in his palm and also found the APTX drug he hid behind the shogi piece. That person may also be from the B.O.

[vaibhavgupte]

Lots of crazy theories i hadn't yet considered. I will have to review this case with more care.

The Rum arc is very interesting and i can't wait for more revelations to be made.

Yeah...let's hope this pandemic gets over soon...so gosho can get to work...

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let me tell you this thing.
in song named asaca case in kouji haneda arc.
we have three suspects looking exactly like kuroda
wakita and rumi.
and guess what the murder case is suicide.
( hinting kouji suicide) .( note this case
is in kouji haneda arc)
and guess what the woman suspect ( here rumi)
tried to hide his suicide by camouflaging like murder
which she comitted.
similarly rumi hides kouji suicide by camouflaging
it as murder by including his name
in aptx victims list .
and guess what the kuroda like suspect loved that rumi
like woman .it too was love triangle like this.

and the wakita like looking guy was reporter searching for truth .
similar to tsutomu who came in later searching for
truth in case.

now there is also hint in burning tent case
that kuroda loves rumi.
he says coz my face is so bad that nobody would look
at me. I got surprised when you stared at me .
this looks like a lover hungry for her attention.
he even knows that rumi wouldn't do camping.
something that he knows coz he loves her
knowing little details.

yup but these hints only tell that he loves rumi
and its love triangle in kohji , rumi and kuroda.
identity of rum is something I deduced further
as if wakita hints towards tsutomu ,
only kuroda has good chance of being rum.
guessing that if these two know each other
to point of kuroda loving rumi one sided.
such love only happen if they worked together
say in bo.
and guess what that rumi like supect worked under
that kuroda like suspect .therehe fell in love wth her.
I have built my conclusions on these hints

I must say, vaibhav, as far as drawing parallels between the story theory and individual case goes, this has been by far a good one. Thumbs up for that.
Rereading that case made me realise that the suspects do resemble the Rum suspects. There might be a slight chance that gosho intended this case to be a hint towards the Kohji case.

thanks for thumbs up.
another point here is not only suspect are similar.
but look at victims of two case.
hado rokumichi hairstyle and face shape looks like
kohji haneda. plus we have a pannel showing their
faces when both are lying down dead.
they look very similar.
also when kuroda lookalike victim appears .
conan says he is huge to highlight the parallel
between him and huge kuroda
so now the point is this resemblance
of suspects and victim has three possibilities:
1) coinicidence
2) red herring
3) real hint
now for this to be coincidence this is in kohji haneda
arc .this fact makes this possibility very less likely.
two major posibilities are : red herring or actual hint.
now for this to be red herring , gosho has made an
extra effort to hide this resemblamce in suspect
and victim with rum suspect and victim.
these points show how he hid the resemblance:
1) two rum suspects wakita and rumi werent introduced
upto this point.only one introduced was kuroda.
2) gosho alao focussed audience attention on
other interesting things in case like:
a)what information hado rokumichi had about
kohji case as he wrote song asaca
b)akai bourbon rivalry and recap of scotch thing.
it was also much awaited. hence audience attention
was on it.
c) also ran vermouth faceoff.
basically so much was happening in this case
apart from the actual murder case,
gosho was successful in his objective in hiding
resemblance of suspects and victim with kohji case.
if it was so well hidden that hardly anyone could notice
it , it is not a red herring.

so this resemblance must be real hint.
the concluions I draw from this might be wrong
but definitely there is some hint about rum suspects and
kohji to be taken from this case.

the parallel I am trying to draw from here is that
this music recording company in this case is shady
like bo.
since one band member was arrested for taking drugs
(and nothing was elaborated on that drugs thing).
this is a hint of parallel between that recording company
and bo.
and guess who is director of that music company.
it is kuroda lookalike.
director I believe is second in command since owner
is first in command.
so hints kuroda is rum.
also wakita lookalike suspect bribed someone to
get that comany shirt so that he can come in to
find truth about hado .
hinting that he is spy in bo who
infiltrated for finding truth of kohji case.
reminds me of tsutomu.
that wakita lookalike suspect hat
also looks tsutomu hat.
hinting wakita is tsutomu.
even megure asks that wakita lookalike:
will coming in without permission( infiltrating)
cost you your life . he says its my job.
similar to tsutomu job as spy in M16.
and another thing that victim hado rokumichi
and rumi lookalike were lovers working in that company.
hinting both kohji and rumi are lovers in bo

[ryndk]

any idea when will the next chapter come out?

[Spimer]

Probably early July; right now the spin-off Wild Police Story is being serialized.

The contents of the July 1st Shonen Sunday double issue (#31-32) are yet to be announced; there's a chance it could be a new Conan chapter.

Current schedule is:

06/17 - SS#29 (WPS File 8)
06/24 - SS#30 (WPS File 9)
07/01 - SS#31-32 (TBA)
07/08 - Magazine break

[jason342]

When's the next chapter dropping lads? of course i take into account the time it takes to scanulate them into english.

[Kor]

When's the next chapter dropping lads? of course i take into account the time it takes to scanulate them into english.

Read the post above yours.

[Reader]

When's the next chapter dropping lads? of course i take into account the time it takes to scanulate them into english.

Read the post above yours.

Probably early July; right now the spin-off Wild Police Story is being serialized.

The contents of the July 1st Shonen Sunday double issue (#31-32) are yet to be announced; there's a chance it could be a new Conan chapter.

Current schedule is:

06/17 - SS#29 (WPS File 8)
06/24 - SS#30 (WPS File 9)
07/01 - SS#31-32 (TBA)
07/08 - Magazine break

Are the contents of July 1st announced? Is it conan?
Thanks.

[Reader]

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PS: thought it won't be answered if I don't bump it.