Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 958-962

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Some clarifications about the file from bash on the c-box:
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Page 1:
Azusa: "Eh!? Everyone!?"
Sonoko: "Seriously!?"
Ran: "So just as I suspected, Azusa-san didn't go to the hall last night?"
Azusa: "That's right..."
Conan (thinking): "It was Vermouth, but what specifically they came to investigate was also the "ASACARUM" clue left behind by Haneda Kouji 17 years ago... the guys dressed in black have noticed it, too..."
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It seems like Sonoko suggests on page 1 it could've been Kaitou Kid who came to steal her heart.
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The thing about Shinichi is this: Heiji was invited by letter, so in order to get Ran to come along, Kazuha suggests that Shinichi might also have received a letter as he's a high school detective just like Heiji, and therefore might also show up there. Heiji joins in commenting that Shinichi would go as he is interested in treasures.
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Ran actually thinks on page 11 that she's disappointed Shinichi didn't show up because she wanted to respond to what he said in London. Then Heiji talks to the mayor about the scenery, asking if it really does compare to Big Ben in London. The answer is obviously, 'Of course it does'.
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Something about the art has changed but I can't quite put my finger on what it is. Think it's been that way since Gosho's recovery from the hospital
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Details about the plot/case
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. The girls are surprised when Azusa says she wasn't in the hall yesterday. Amuro says it was a lookalike.
Azusa: "Did she really look like me?"
Amuro: "Yes. She called out to me in the hall's entrance... Was totally fooled... Wonder who it was..."

Sonoko then says that maybe it was Kaito Kid come to steal her heart.

Conan (thinking): "Well. That was Vermouth but... If they bothered to come to search, that means that... Like I thought: the message left behind by Haneda Kouji 17 years ago... That code of "ASACA RUM"... The BO guys are also interested in this story..."
Sonoko: "But what could've been that lookalike's goal?"
Ran: "It's a bit eerie..."
Azusa: "Speaking of eerie...When I went to buy ingredients a while ago... I saw a strange duo climbing up the stairs of the detective agency, you know?"
Conan (thinking): "A strange duo!?"

Conan thinks it's Vodka and Gin and asks Azusa if they wore black clothes.

Azusa: "They were a couple wearing normal clothes... The boyfriend was dark-skinned, though, similar to Amuro - san..."
Conan (thinking): "Dark-skinned?
Sonoko: "Wasn't that Makoto - san? Why is he with some woman!?"
Azusa: "Well... I don't know but... They were talking about some odd stuff... A dust cloth (zoukin) or something like that..."
Conan (thinking): "D-dust cloth?"

The trio goes to the agency and find Heiji and Kazuha.

Heiji: " * laughs *... That "dust cloth" actually is... Buried treasure (maizoukin)! Buried treasure! I was talking with Kazuha about "Let's go find Tokugawa's buried treasure 'long you guys!"
Ran: "I see..."
Conan (thinking): "I knew it: it was this guy..."
Kazuha: "A person that was Yadori Village's Mayor sent Heiji a letter... "I've got a clue to the whereabouts of Tokugawa's buried treasure: I want you to lend me a hand in digging it up."... And he thought that if he was going to do it then he'd also invite Ran - chan and her dad..."
Kogoro: "Not going. Not interested in that buried treasure stuff..."

Ran comments that this buried treasure talk sound scary: Kazuha tries to invite her saying the Mayor will pay the travel expenses and all.

Kazuha: "And, also... If Heiji got a letter... Maybe a letter has also come to Kudo - kun? He's also a high-school detective!"
Ran: "S-Shinichi maybe also got a letter!?"
Heiji: "That's right... Kudo did say before he was interested in the buried treasure so maybe he'll show up?"
Conan (thinking): "Oi, oi, oi!"

Conan: "What are you up to? I'm sure you're not interested in the buried treasure either!"
Heiji: "Can't be helped, can it? If that girl doesn't come then you don't come along..."
Conan: "Is there something more to this?"
Heiji: "Not at all!"

Conan then argues that the buried treasure is said to be at Mt. Akagi in Gunma and if something happens that incompetent inspector will show up: but Heiji replies that they're going to Shizuoka, not Gunma.

The Mayor (Takekuma Densuke, 58) then picks them up and drives them with his car: the fate of his village depends on the success of the search for this buried treasure: Conan asks him why he called Heiji even though there are other detectives: he replies that he didn't have enough budget since he'd called for some presitiguous archaelogists: he thought that if he hired a high school detective and told him he'd pay the travel and food expenses then he'd come.

They arrive at a worn-down hotel: the Mayor reassures them that the insides are cleaner than the outside: he's bought plenty of food and he's going to cook it, to Heiji's annoyance. The Mayor tells them that the hotel used to be more prosper as tourists came to see the scenery of the Kurogane Great Pond. But ever since a certain accident, people stopped coming. Kazuha asks about it.

The archeologist Tanzawa Michiki (62) explains that a member of the Tokugawa buried treasure excavation team suffered a cave-in accident and died. Conan asks if the famed treasure is really in this area. The Sunpu Castle where Tokugawa Ieyasu was said to have retired to and died is in Shizuoka.

The historian Someji Yasukatsu (55) shows up and tells of another legend: in the age of strife, an eldery couple that was about to be caught by the Imagawa forces hid the treasure in a forest. Once the strife ended: their son was granted a koban (Japanese oval coin of Edo era Japan) as a sign of gratitude. He says that that story was supposedly turned into a song.

The novelist Masuko Fumie (46) brings up that song: "Morning sun, iron bottle that sparkles in the dusk, a thousand golden pieces, two thousand cups..."
It's a nursery rhyme passed down from ancient times in the village. The novelist says that it would be one's dream fulfilled if there really were a thousand "koban" stuffed in 2000 bottles.

Ran comments that Kazuha that that would make up 2 million "koban": it would be wonderful to find those, Kazuha adds.

A guy shows up and tries to impress the girls saying that they sparkle like golden, more than a treasure. Heiji gets pissed off and gets into an argument with the guy.

Heiji: "Hey, you! Who are ya?"
Man: "Are they your girlfriends?"
Heiji: "I asked first! Aren't ya gonna answer me?"

The man introduces himself as Tsurumi Hajime (22), a reporter searching for specter legends. Heji argues that it doesn't have anyting to do with the treasure and when he tries to explain a dog barks at him. He's startled because he apparently can't stand dogs.

This dog belonged to the man who died in the cave-in accident. A neighbor was taking care of it but it always ran away to near the hotel and the neighbor decided to leave it there. Conan checks a banner that says "don't come in: danger" and gets stopped by Kazuha. Ran asks the Mayor if all of the guests are here and he answers "yes, well".

Ran (thinking): "What. Shinichi didn't come in the end. And here I was thinking of answering to that of London..."
Heiji (to the Mayor): "Is what you told me over the phone true?"
Mayor: "But of course! It's a great view!"
Heiji: "Better than evening at London's Big Ben?"
Mayor: "Of course! It can't be compared!"

Ran (to Kazuha): "Hey, Kazuha - chan... Was Hattori - kun the one who invited you here?"
Kazuha: "Yup. He argued that I had free time since it's a consecutive holiday..."
Kazuha then says she feels angsty because of that talk about the accident and the specters.
Ran: "Well, you see... It might be a premonition of love, you know?"
Kazuha: "Huh?"

The group eats at the hotel and Heiji asks about that tale of the specter.

Tsurumi explanins: there was a foreigner named Charles Abel that spoke broken Japanese in the excavation team. He was the victim of the cave-in.
When the other members reached the site he was still alive: he was trying to say something while stuck between the boulders.
The team asked him if he'd found something deeper into the cave: but the man's throat was damaged and he couldn't speak.
So one of the members gave him a notebook and a pen and the man managed to write 3 alphabet letters with the last of his forces and with his shuddering hands: the victim tore off the paper and ran out of forces. When one of the members read it he was frozen in place.

The reason was because the word written there was "nue". Heiji, Conan and the girls are surprised (the girls panick).

Heiji: "Yeah. It's an ancient monster a monkey head, racoon body, tiger hand and feet, snake tail... It appears along with black smoke and making an eerie monster-like cry, said to bring forth disgraces..."

Tsurumi brags about making an article about the nue lurking in the cave: the novelist, Masuko, gets annoyed: she says that Tsurumi shouldn't make fun of dead people. The other 2 guests point out that her novels did have something like that on them: the novelists questions if she should go back to the other two: the Mayor tries to calm them down.

A strange sound rings out from outside: the dog starts to bark and tug against the rope as if trying to get free: Conan and the other 3 wonder what's going on. Tsurumi, Masuko, Somechi mutter about "it being on the forest: when Conan and Heiji ask what is "it" Tanzawa says that this cry is the nue's cry...
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I like how Amuro smiled when Conan screamed about the BO. Other than that, it is funny that Conan meets all sorts of myth creatures during his adventures.
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The piece of paper
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Its Japanese : てつの (Tetsuno)
the page is not only held upside down, but they are also looking at the wrong side of the page
the ink must have bleed through
since they didn't look at the page immediately, its possible that it got turned around when
the other two ran out of the cave

This happened in a previous case where Ran and Sonoko saw writing on a window that said
" , t e l し " which sideways was " かのう " (Kanou) the name of the killer

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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:The piece of paper
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Its Japanese : てつの (Tetsuno)
the page is not only held upside down, but they are also looking at the wrong side of the page
the ink must have bleed through
since they didn't look at the page immediately, its possible that it got turned around when
the other two ran out of the cave

This happened in a previous case where Ran and Sonoko saw writing on a window that said
" , t e l し " which sideways was " かのう " (Kanou) the name of the killer

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That makes sense, but then what would てつの/Tetsuno point to? Nobody among those characters has that as part of their name.
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Max1996 wrote:That makes sense, but then what would てつの/Tetsuno point to? Nobody among those characters has that as part of their name.
If you mirror it and turn it around, it looks like …
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… and reads nue, which is also mentioned and shown on the fourteenth page of the chapter.
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Valentin wrote:
Max1996 wrote:That makes sense, but then what would てつの/Tetsuno point to? Nobody among those characters has that as part of their name.
If you mirror it and turn it around, it looks like …
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… and reads nue, which is also mentioned and shown on the fourteenth page of the chapter.
I think the "tetsuno" comment was about if the dying message was the foreigner trying to write Japanese and was misinterpreted at the time to be "nue".

(Correct me if I'm wrong and am just creating more misunderstandings between posts here)
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RucyL wrote:
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Does "てつの" mean something in japanese? Or is it the name of one of the suspects? Because, if you turn around "nue", like in a mirrow, it appears that.
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They talk about a place called "Black iron lake". "Tetsu" can mean iron in japanese, so maybe the message is related to the place.
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So Tetsuno could be 'Iron's' ?
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maybe the fact that the foreigner speak broken japanese is clue too.. There is two meaning he wrote the wrong japanase word or he wrote some word in his language.


If i'm not mistaken, the word "nue" in french means naked for person or bare for body, tree, etc which was feminine singular. So..... the killer was a naked woman!!!!???... Hehehe sorry just kidding.
Wakarimashita wrote:So Tetsuno could be 'Iron's' ?
hmm... well in the picture he wrote it horizontally not vertically so i think it is "Nue" not "tetsuno"
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Yeah it could be... maybe it's not much important but I found this weird:
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it was said that he wrote the note with trembling hands or something like that but the way "nue" is written is kinda neat for someone who's dying but if he was writing "てつの" in Japanese which is a language with characters different from his own language (since he's foreign) he might have wrote it as slowly and neatly as he could to make sure his message is understood
It could be just me but I do try my best to make my handwriting look neat when I write languages with characters I'm not very familiar with so I can make sure that my teachers or whoever wants to read it can understand it easier
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Someone had pointed that out, yeah.

According to the description by the reporter in the file it'd seem the foreigner was very weak and about to die so he wasn't exactly calm and surely wanted to write down what he wanted to say as soon as possible.

Maybe this is foreshadowing of something that'll happen in the next files and which may become a clue to solve something but we can't say anything at this stage. None of the guest characters have "tetsu" on their names, as pointed out.

However, the pond's name maybe be related to the "tetsuno" message. "Kurogane Great Pond". Kurogane (黒金) is sometimes used to refer to "niello", a black mixture of copper, silver, and lead sulphides. However, this "niello" technique is not originary of Japan. It has some relation with "iron" as it contains copper but it isn't exactly made of iron. Kurogane also means "black metal/gold".

So maybe there's some secret to the lake hence why the dog is always coming there: maybe it senses something that humans can't like a specific smell.

Of course, this is but speculation on my part, I am conscious of it.
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If the word is tetsuno why he wrote it horizontally in the first place?? Look at the direction of the book not the paper, It is placed horizontally, right?? :)
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Spimer wrote: According to the description by the reporter in the file it'd seem the foreigner was very weak and about to die so he wasn't exactly calm and surely wanted to write down what he wanted to say as soon as possible.

Maybe this is foreshadowing of something that'll happen in the next files and which may become a clue to solve something but we can't say anything at this stage.
If it's like that then it's probably something about the message Kouji left
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