Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 951-953

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Here's my Detective Conan FILE 951-952 chapter review!
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Case Summary:

* Kogoro decides to meet the "soul detective" Hotta Gaito, who claims that he's gonna communicate with Haneda Kouji's soul and solve the case, so Conan tags along. They meet the director of Tokyo Tv, Fukuri Sanbira, who is rushing them to meet Hotta, who is later found killed.
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* Enter the crime scene:
  • - They weren't able to get in since no one responded and Fukuri even got an SOS message, sent from Hotta's phone, saying that he's about to be killed.
    - Fukuri hurries to bring the bellboy so that he can open the door, and returns a little before 9 AM.
    - before opening the door Fukuri's phone rings, and he claims that it was a prank call.
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    - the moment they step into the room, they hear wine glass breaking, which Kogoro assumes that the killer dropped, and find a wine trail that leads to the bedroom.
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    - the moment they open the bedroom door, Conan and Kogoro witnesses the movement of something "fleeing" from the balcony while at the same time hearing the gust of wind entering the room.
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    - As they go outside to check the balcony, they find slippers with stains of wine and the only escape way was to the adjacent room, that we later find out is occupied by Sera and Mary.
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* Before the police came, Conan checked Sera's balcony and noticed that Fukuri's convertible car was right under the gap between the two balconies and that it was weird of him to park it there when there was so many empty spaces in the parking lot.
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* After the police came, they tested to see if the wine glass could fall from the vibrations of the floor below(that was being refurbished), that always started at 9 AM every day, and they came to conclusion that it wasn't a reliable source for the fall.

* Traces of salt was found on the table(where the plate, with wine glass on top, fell from).
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* The heater was on in the room with the wine glass, while the bedroom was cold because of the open balcony door.

* Above the window of the balcony, there was traces of something being taped on it.

* Conan gets the last piece of hint from the function of the toilet seat that has sensor that opens up when it detects movement.


Deduction and Case Discussion:

* The Culprit is obviously the director of Tokyo TV, Fukuri Sanbira!
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* After killing Hotta Gaito, his goal was to setup the illusion of someone being in the room, seconds before the discovery of the corpse. The first part of the illusion was the breaking plate and wine glass. the trick key to using the vibrations to make the glass fall is salt. By pouring salt on the edge of the table and placing the plate with the wine glass on it, with half of the plate sticking out of the table(like the phones below), the friction between the plate and the table will become reduced, and thus making it easier for it to slide off the table(like on ice) when the vibrations start. the trail of wine on the floor and the slippers with wine stain was prepared beforehand.
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* The second part of the illusion is the suspicious movement in the balcony. What was most likely used there is a dark blanket(or coat). Like Sera mentioned(below), the culprit utilized the wind for this illusion. By first taping the blanket/coat over the balcony window, then making sure the bedroom was cold, while the room with the wine glass was warm, the wind will travel from the bedroom(cold) and exit into the hotel(warm) when a passage is made(from opening the doors). That wind is not enough to undo the tape according to Conan(below), which is why Fukuri used another trick key, and that is a "weight". Using this "weight", which is connected to the blanket/coat, it will undo the tape easier(because of the extra weight) as well as make the coat disappear. By making the weight hang between the two balconies, the moment the tape is undone, the "weight" will drag the blanket/coat through the gap between the balconies and fall, making it disappear. this "weight" is probably Hotta's phone(since it hasn't been picked up by the police yet), or maybe the bottle of salt that was on the table, or maybe both. Before possibly using the phone as weight, he sent a fake SOS message to his own phone.
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* One question remains, where did the blanket/coat and the "weight" fall?
at this point, it should be obvious... they fell on Fukuri's convertible car that was parked right under the gap of the balconies! The hint that Conan got from the function of the toilet seat helped him realize that Fukuri used his convertible car's functions to hide the evidence. By using a remote to open up the roof of his car, then let the evidence fall in and then close it, he would be able to hide it, and then later get rid of it. Since his remote was far away from the sensor in the car, he might've not been able to open the roof through it, but if he used a remote app(supported by the car company) on his phone, then that could make it more possible. In order to hide the fact that he used his phone for that purpose, he set an alarm that would ring around 9 AM and acted like he was called by someone after it set off, then, while acting like he's turning off his phone, he opened the roof of his convertible car through the app.
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* The motive of the murder has most likely to do with Hotta Gaito's past activities as a "soul detective", specifically regarding the missing person, who's skeleton was found in the mountain. Fukuri might've been connected to that person in some way and got really furious when Hotta used the missing person's case for entertainment purposes, as well as bribing people into lying about witnessing that missing person in the mountains.
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Plot Summary:

* Conan makes the conclusion that Haneda Kouji's dying message indicates that the murderer was the bodyguard of Amanda Hughes "Asaka", and that "Asaka" is "Rum". He even makes the connection that Haneda's death was due to the effects of the drug, that Haibara's parents were developing, which was forced into him. Conan comes to the conclusion that he's the first test subject of Haibara's drug APTX4869, after remembering Gin's words from chapter 1. Image

* He then proceeds to ask himself about the name "Asaka" and as he wants to look up the Haneda Kouji case once more, he realized it was deleted.
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* When Kogoro and Conan explained the situation to Sera, the moment Haneda Kouji's name was brought up, Mary and Sera were shocked.

* Conan accidentally takes a picture of Mary, who was hiding under Sera's balcony.
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* Mary tells Sera to solve the case fast before her(Mary's) existence becomes revealed to the others and before "they"(referring to someone or a group) makes an appearance.

* Mary accidentally gets a hold of Conan's bowtie.


Plot Discussion:

* From what has been implied in Conan's thought process, it's almost official that "Asaka" is "Rum". It's also confirmed that Shinichi is indeed the first test subject of APTX4869. This heavily implies that Mary shrank by the effect of Haibara's parents' drug(Silver Bullet)(assuming she shrank before Shinichi), which by itself forms a connection to Haneda Kouji, a fellow test subject. Sera and Mary's reaction to Haneda Kouji, and Sera's impatience when asking about him, implies that they were investigating him, making it highly possible that they are the ones who posted the case info into the internet(which they might've gotten from Akai's father), hoping to find more answers.
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* Interesting to note is how well physically trained Mary seemed, for someone who's sickly, when hiding under the balcony. We know that Conan has kept his football/soccer talents after shrinking, so if Mary kept an "athlete" body even after shrinking, then that could be indicating she has undergone some form of training, possibly to become an agent.
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* Also, we got our first clue to why Mary is hiding in the first place. The obvious answer was the black organization(which is the most likely choice, since Mary seemingly shrank), but since Gosho has been implying that Sera's doesn't know about the BO, it brings up the possibility that, rather than implying that an "Organization" might make a move, Mary was implying that "someone" might make a move, and that this "someone" could be "Rum"!(this way, Sera only needs to know that Mary is being chased by someone). Either there's a specific past behind Mary and Rum, or Rum is trying to locate the source of the Kouji-case-posters!
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* Now that Conan got a picture of Mary, he'll be able to show Haibara, which would give us a chance to finally see her reaction, as well as more answers. Mary, who now got Conan's bowtie, was asking for Sera to send her something(maybe a picture of something) but she might be able to solve the case for him, which I'm looking forward to see!
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MeiTanteixX wrote: * Conan accidentally takes a picture of Mary, who was hiding under Sera's balcony.
This is highly debatable. Conan's phone made a distinct sound effect when taking a photo of the director's car; such a noise is absent when he reaches down to the MG with his phone, so it is more likely Conan didn't take a picture because Masumi called out to him.
MeiTanteixX wrote:It's also confirmed that Shinichi is indeed the first test subject of APTX4869.
No, it's not. It's just what Gin says, it doesn't have to be true.
MeiTanteixX wrote: This heavily implies that Mary shrank by the effect of Haibara's parents' drug(Silver Bullet)
No, it doesn't, it heavily implies that Kouji was killed by Silver Bullet, but Mary could simply be another APTX 4869 victim.
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Serinox wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote: * Conan accidentally takes a picture of Mary, who was hiding under Sera's balcony.
This is highly debatable. Conan's phone made a distinct sound effect when taking a photo of the director's car; such a noise is absent when he reaches down to the MG with his phone, so it is more likely Conan didn't take a picture because Masumi called out to him.
Makes sense, I guess that might be the case.
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MeiTanteixX wrote:It's also confirmed that Shinichi is indeed the first test subject of APTX4869.
No, it's not. It's just what Gin says, it doesn't have to be true.
It doesn't have to be true, but Gosho didin't need to mention Gin's comment now, if it was supposed to be declared as wrong later. From my understanding, Gosho was trying to clear up the whole "how can Shinichi be first test subject if ***?" confusions.
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MeiTanteixX wrote: This heavily implies that Mary shrank by the effect of Haibara's parents' drug(Silver Bullet)
No, it doesn't, it heavily implies that Kouji was killed by Silver Bullet, but Mary could simply be another APTX 4869 victim.
I was assuming she shrank before Shinichi, but I guess if you're still considering the possibilty of her shrinking after Shinichi, then It's still possible she is an APTX victim.
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Serinox wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote: * Conan accidentally takes a picture of Mary, who was hiding under Sera's balcony.
This is highly debatable. Conan's phone made a distinct sound effect when taking a photo of the director's car; such a noise is absent when he reaches down to the MG with his phone, so it is more likely Conan didn't take a picture because Masumi called out to him.
Makes sense, I guess that might be the case.
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MeiTanteixX wrote:It's also confirmed that Shinichi is indeed the first test subject of APTX4869.
No, it's not. It's just what Gin says, it doesn't have to be true.
It doesn't have to be true, but Gosho didin't need to mention Gin's comment now, if it was supposed to be declared as wrong later. From my understanding, Gosho was trying to clear up the whole "how can Shinichi be first test subject if ***?" confusions.
Serinox wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote: This heavily implies that Mary shrank by the effect of Haibara's parents' drug(Silver Bullet)
No, it doesn't, it heavily implies that Kouji was killed by Silver Bullet, but Mary could simply be another APTX 4869 victim.
I was assuming she shrank before Shinichi, but I guess if you're still considering the possibilty of her shrinking after Shinichi, then It's still possible she is an APTX victim.
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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About the "send what?" Thing Sera says to MG... it might sound pessimistic coming from a usually optimistic person like me... but it could be MG telling Sera to "send" the bow tie to Conan which will most likely end up without them meeting.... I hope I'm wrong :P
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KaitoRizu wrote:About the "send what?" Thing Sera says to MG... it might sound pessimistic coming from a usually optimistic person like me... but it could be MG telling Sera to "send" the bow tie to Conan which will most likely end up without them meeting.... I hope I'm wrong :P
Mary, stop ruining Mary's comment =P
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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I don't think Sera has Conan's bowtie.
Reason is because Sera left with Conan, and MG found/noticed the bowtie on the floor.
Unless sera left and went beck to room between the time she left her room, and Conan finding the truth, she would have it if so.
Since its not shown in the file, and I noticed the Sera is with Conan most of the time since leaving her room. No panels showed her leaving at all, unless Gosho didn't put it in or something, I just really hope Sera Does not have it.
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Of course she doesn't have it, nowhere was that said - Masumi will simply have to go over to her room quick, get the bowtie and give it to Conan.
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Or she can simply throw it from the balcony, tell sera to go out and catch it, that would be faster....

I dont want Sera to give Conan the bowtie at all, its like I know your shinichi, now do ur job and I will just help around
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Text Spoilers - File 953
http://nozomi.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/ymag/1457481606/0-
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前ページ注意(藤田新連載、最後のページでtkb券使用)

FILE953 暗がりに鬼を繋ぐが如く

コナンが変声機をなくし困っていると
世良が「助けてあげよっか?」と言いつつ使っていたスマホを小五郎の首裏に置く
するとスマホ越しに

"領域外"が小五郎の声で推理開始
コナンはカーテンの裏に人影を見つけ、捕まえようとするが世良に止められる

グラスは塩で傾けて立たせ、倒れる方向に皿を置き
塩の余りを吹き飛ばし(実際は部屋の温度差で吹き飛ぶようにしていた)
不自然に見えないよう、グラスのそばに瓶を置く
あとは振動でグラスが倒れれば皿を巻き込みテーブルから床へ落ちる
あらかじめ先に割った別のグラスを落下点に置くもよし
ワインを撒いて足跡を偽装するもよし

窓枠の粘着物は、何者かが逃げたようにするための小細工の跡
さっきの風では塩を吹き飛ばすことはできても、そこまでは無理なため
別の仕掛けを用意し、後で真下の車に片づける
仕掛けにはオープンカーの屋根開閉スイッチ付きで
仕掛けを拾うのを待ってから屋根を閉じるようセッティング
地震やら改修工事やらで予期せぬ振動に邪魔されないよう
ボーイが鍵を開けるタイミングを合わせるためにイタ電を鳴らす

犯行動機は以前の番組
山中から発見された遺体は古栗の妹
妹は失恋を苦に自殺、古栗が捜索中だったのだが
発見した堀田はそれを通報せず、遺体を埋めて自分の番組のネタに使った

きりのいいところでコナンがベランダに行くと、変声機だけが残る
古栗は妹の墓前に報告するまで捕まるわけにいかない、と
ベランダから隣の部屋に飛び移る
その先には"領域外"、古栗は瞬殺される(意識を失っただけで生きてはいる)
世良「ママ!?」
コナン(ママ… だと?)

堀田は「浅香」が女だと知り
羽田浩司の霊がが「女に殺されるー!」と叫ぶふうを装いたかったようだ
という程度の情報しかなかった、と世良は"領域外"に報告
"領域外"は「江戸川コナンに気を許すな…」と、その日のうちに転居

その夜コナンは、ラムの正体についていろいろ考えていた
スマホに写っていた"領域外"、この女は何者なのか…!?

一方、ジンたちも堀田の死を知る
ラムがし損なった事件はどうでもいいが、「眠りの小五郎」がまた絡んでるのを懸念
■(!)わかったこと…①抜群の推理力②シークレットサービス並の格闘術③世良が「ママ」と呼んでいる…!? …次号新章!!
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File 953: As if connecting with a demon in the darkness

Conan doesn't have the voice changer and he's in trouble.
Sera suddenly says "Do you want me to lend you a hand?" and places her smart-phone behind Kogoro's neck.
Then, through the smart-phone...

...The "sister outside the domain" begins using Kogoro's voice to explain her deductions: Conan spots a silhouette behind a curtain and tries to catch them but Sera stops him from doing so.

The culprit placed the glass leaning on salt and the dishes in the direction in which they would fall and blew away the remainder of the salt (the culprit aimed for the salt to be blown off by the difference in temperatures of the room). To make it appeal as natural the culprit placed the wine bottle next to the glass. When the glass falls from the vibrations it'll drag the dishes along with it into the floor: or they could've also placed another broken glass in the ground before that as well or spread the wine to make up footprints.

The stickum on the window frame are remains of a trick to make it look like the culprit's just now fled from the room: even if the wind blew away the salt that can't be blown off by the window so the culprit readied another trick and afterwards went to the car parked just below. The trick involves using the switch that open and closes the car's roof: it's set to close the roof once the materials employed for the trick get into the car. To avoid interference from other vibrations like the construction on the floors below or an earthquake the culprit prepared a "prank call" to ring at the moment the hotel boy would open the door and make sure the timing was correct.

The culprit's motive is that, on a previous program, Hatto claimed to have found the body of someone who'd gone missing in the mountains. That was actually the culprit's sister body, who'd committed suicide due to a heartbreak and Furuki had been looking for her Hatto found her body but didn't report it: instead he buried the body and used it as material for his program.

Conan sees a chance to slip out and goes out into the veranda but the only thing there is his voice changer. Furuki suddenly says he can't be caught before he goes to his sister's grave and tells her he avenged her so he jumps into Sera's veranda: but then the "sister outside the domain" knocks him out in the blink of an eye.
Sera: "Mom!?"
Conan (thinking): "Mom, she says!?".

(Presumably some time later) Sera reports to the "sister outside the domain" that the only info that Hatto had was that he knew that that "Asaka" was a woman. Hatto intended to pretend that Haneda Kouji's spirit was yelling to him "A woman's gonna kill me!". The "sister outside the domain" replies "Don't trust Edogawa Conan too much." and orders Sera to move elsewhere this same day.

That day's night Conan's thinking about RUM's identity again. He wonders who exactly is the woman whom he saw in Sera's smart-phone, the "sister outside the domain"...

And, at the same time... Gin & co. (presumably Vodka's along) know about Hatto's death. Gin doesn't care about the case itself, considering it a failure on RUM's part (presumably to properly handle the situation at the time). Yet he's concerned about "Sleeping Kogoro" being involved in BO-related stuff again.

Side-note: (!) Things we've figured out insofar (about the "sister outside the domain") 1) Pre-eminent deduction ability 2) Fighting skills like a Secret Service agent 3) Sera calls her "Mom"...!? Next issue, a new chapter!
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Yet he's concerned about "Sleeping Kogoro" being involved in BO-related stuff again.
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Let's have another 425 pls
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irishock wrote:
Spimer wrote:
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Yet he's concerned about "Sleeping Kogoro" being involved in BO-related stuff again.
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Let's have another 425 pls
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I'm more afraid we'll get another Red Shirt case, like the last time Gin remembered that Kogoro was involved with the BO...
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YES! Finally it's pretty much confirmed, not only that, but RUM is a woman? Really strange, but we can't be sure yet, and I hope Gin does some epic stuff next.
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