ESPIONAGE: Campaign Round - DETECTIVES AND CIVILIANS WIN!

[MoonRaven]

Oh... We won. And I'm alive...

Mwahahahahaaaa!

I had more to say but right now I'm on a lunch break. I'll be back as soon as possible though. Thank you everyone for amazing gameof Espionage! I'll specify my thanks later on.

[MDavid]

don't think I'd have settled on MDavid as the final target alone even if I were still in. He was doing really well at hiding it.

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No he really wasn't :V
He acted weird from end to start even though he was active. I'm actually kind of surprised I was the only one who picked up on that.

I'm always like that, not because I was a spy.

Actually I decided even before I got my role, to act the same regardless of what it will be.

I will answer the other questions a bit later.

[Iwamoto Yuri]

I've seen you often enough to think that something was off, though... I really think you acted weird, though you got better at it in the middle.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

ok! i actually finally just read EVERYTHING and that final day story made me laugh so hard xD

...doing a quick scan on the latest posts, what are these kill stories you speak of MDavid? *__*

anyway... on to more stuffs

this awesomeness would not have been possible if not for my uncleaunt Edogawa4869 thanks again for GMing~ \o/

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Getting everyone to go along with it was not likely, so when I saw Stopwatch's skeptical post from before I detailed the idea, I decided the safest bet was to go with the most inactive player that I could frame a story around to help get the strategy in motion. This way, even if the inactive target showed up later for a few minutes, unless they coordinated directly with the person who opposed the strategy, it was unlikely they would be able to disrupt it entirely. Conveniently, Osaka Detective had voted in a way that could be construed to be a Spy's "blending" behavior, so I took that and ran with it. In all, Espionage is about trust, but I would never say it's simply about "the truth". What you have to trust, as far as I'm concerned, is that people will act in the interests they are purporting are their own, not necessarily act exactly as they put forward. The information you put out there is being consumed not just by your allies but also your enemies, so there has to be a nice balance between those two ends of the spectrum. ...

indeed! indeed! indeed!

on the last days of the game, the remaining players were dumytru, shinichi'sapprentice, MoonRaven, Jellitto, Stopwatch, MDavid, Nemomon... compared to earlier rounds, one example is round 3, WHERE I TOTALLY DO NOT TRUST SOMEONE UNLESS THEY WERE PROVEN, in this round, i learned that trust is really something else that one should consider doing... after all, there can only be one remaining spy! while one should never fully trust anyone, and see for themselves who is probably lying, one should also try considering if a person you are being very suspicious of is probably also saying the truth! i really can't fully explain what i want to say and i really suck at it, so i just went ahead and underlined what Jd- said ...basically well-explained by him xD

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EDIT:
As for who I cleared, see here:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=12569&p=843634#p843634

And most importantly, the message I posted 30 seconds before I died:

@dumy: Interesting theory, but I don't think SA is evil...

Having doubts about Stopwatch's evilness as well

so yeah... just as the final day story said, i was frantically going through all of Fujiwara's post to see who she has cleared of being NOT spy. and it looked like it was Stopwatch and i that she has proven... HOWEVER, as i may have already explained in the irc universe, " ...maybe i was trying to see if you have proven someone among dumytru, Jellitto, MoonRaven, Nemomon, MDavid". i already know i'm a civilian so, there's that. and Stopwatch was really looking like a NOT spy even if she wasn't proven. but i guess those investigations helped dumytru finally trust me even after all that i've done that a normal person would think is very spy-like? xD i guess i didn't really consider or rather i didn't really care if town/civilians would trust me or believe me. i just know that i'll do what i do and if they don't believe me, then they can always vote me out and i hope they'd really try to get back up and fight again xD Fujiwara!! what are the rest of your investigations? when exactly did you clear someone? and what was your last investigation if you happened to survive Day 5? you, too, Jecka!! what are the rest of your investigations? when exactly did you clear someone? and what was your last investigation if you happened to survive Day 4?

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OHMYGOD

I thought you guys would run around in circles forever DX.
I died for a reason, yk? (Because I kinda tried getting MD lynched before)
Seeing you guys trust him was so frustrating .-.

ah! good point! however,

"Seeing you guys trust him was so frustrating"

...did any of us really say that we trust MDavid? T-T

also, going back through some of my posts:

WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN NOW...

MDavid is most certainly going to vote MoonRaven now... if i remember correctly, he hasn't really mentioned any names who he thinks is the spy. only thing i can remember right now is that he said he trusts Raifuujin, Iwamoto Yuri, and shinichi'sapprentice... this is either based on his list OR he was confident on 'trusting' those names since one, Yuri was gonna die the phase he mentioned he trusted her... two, i'm the person who yelled out loud that i have 'cleared' Raifuujin of being NOT spy which then helped him narrow down that i am not a detective..? and three... Raifuujin...

MoonRaven, notice how she planned to vote Stopwatch OR dumytru, as i quoted above on my previous post, then in response to dumytru, changed that to dumytru OR shinichi'sapprentice, THEN DECIDED TO VOTE ME... Looks Like she doesn't even care who she will vote and can't even be bothered to take the time and think who really is the spy!

*sneaky post from Jellitto and dumytru *goes to read*

guess i missed my own clue xD during the final hours of the last day, i was trying to enumerate the reasons on how/why MoonRaven or MDavid could be the spy. i tend to forget the things that i point out that's why i always want to hear others' input on what i present so i'd know if it was just me who thought of something or did the others thought the same as me and if we did, then what i said just might be the truth xD one thing that proved this is what Jellitto pointed out which made dumytru agree with her, too. while i was staring at the lists presented to me, that thing MoonRaven said back in Day 1 if i remember correctly about her list in which Stopwatch advised her on something has been on my mind as i was trying to analyze and compare the rest of her votes the rest of the game based on her 'list'. and since Jellitto noticed that too and dumytru has seconded her, then i guess we just really hit the truth! xD \o/

also

"I died for a reason, yk? (Because I kinda tried getting MD lynched before)"

ah! i guess that explains what went on @Day 4! the theory that was going on in my mind is that the other spy(MDavid) had tried to kill the other spy(Raifuujin) on the previous day (3) when only Jd- was killed! hence, i did not die @Day 4 and was not targeted by MDavid since he knew i was faking being the detective because he just found his ally spy, Raifuujin

HOWEVER!! i heard that wasn't what happened!! IT SEEMS THAT IT WAS MDavid WHO TRIED TO KILL Jd- AND IT WAS ACTUALLY Raifuujin WHO TRIED TO KILL MDavid!! WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?! xD Raifuujin and MDavid!! explain yourselves! especially MDavid!! HOW THE HECK DID YOU KNOW I WAS LYING OF BEING A DETECTIVE IF YOU DIDN'T EVEN ACTUALLY TRY TO KILL Raifuujin?! @__@ xDD

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Btw to the townies which failed to notice the obvious (at least to me it was obvious ─ I really wanted to shout it out loud at certain points! :x) Fuji's vital pieces of intel was here and here.
_{Hint: Notice the italicized player names...and...LISTEN TO YOUR DETECTIVE'S LAST WORDS! :p}

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what dumytru said.

Raiden, show me your list? you were asking me how i did not know Fujiwara is a detective...

1. Osaka Detective
2. Jecka
3. Nemomon
4. Raifuujin
5. Togop
6. Kamite
7. Kaito Lady
8. Stopwatch
9. dumytru

above, you can see my list and as i said, i highly was suspecting Jecka as one of the detectives... what confirmed that is here... she was definitely being obvious @__@ and as you can see right below that post, is when i decided to 'reveal' that 'i'm a detective' i was still hesitating if claiming detective would actually work and if it even would get us anywhere @__@ i decided i'll do it anyway in an attempt to save her and gain us at least one more result of investigations! however!! i was lucky for 'clearing' Raifuujin since i wouldn't have died if she's actually a spy. and indeed she was! xD so, AGAIN, MDavid!! answer the question! how did you know i was not really a detective?! *__*

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@Raiden: too bad you're not spy this time! xD

... because you wanted to be my 'accidental informant' this round, right? But really, I was secretly a third spy! I had just successfully infiltrated the town, and even fooled the GM into thinking I was a mere civilian. 8D

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...and i was secretly a third detective! xDDDDDD

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@Kaito Lady: aside from Jd-, i seriously considered you being a possible REAL detective! so, good job on what you did even if you probably don't know what you did? xd

I'm actually curious as to what lead people to think that :x

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you were in my list. and i thought, you, trying to exchange votes in the early phases of the game was a detective's move to look like a civilian. read again closely everything you have posted and tell me if those words don't look like someone a detective would say. wouldn't you agree, spy? xD and i dunno about Jd-... ask him why he thought you were a detective

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@Jd-! man! thank you! @__@ THOUGH, WHAT THE HYPE WAS YOUR PLAN AT THE START OF Day 4?! I NEEDZ TO KNOWZ!

My idea going into that, if I survived (which started to feel less and less likely and then I woke up deadzorz), was to ask for a Detective to identify themselves if we had another massacre. If we did, I wanted to know who we could trust, outright, and who we couldn't. A crazy move, surely, but then you took it in a completely different (and ultimately much more compelling) direction by just pretending to be a Detective. We were kind of on the same path there. I'm still incredibly impressed you survived faking that--a masterful turn of events, my friend.

ah! i see, i see... close enough then! xD i thought it was that but i was fearing that the REAL detectives haven't really cleared a lot of people yet and that is not good! so, i tried to buy them some more time but failed ;__;

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don't think I'd have settled on MDavid as the final target alone even if I were still in. He was doing really well at hiding it.

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No he really wasn't :V
He acted weird from end to start even though he was active. I'm actually kind of surprised I was the only one who picked up on that.

he did indeed, eh? but try to answer this question: would a spy be really trying to attract that much attention to themselves if they were a spy? also, hey! i just realized, maybe that was the reason Raifuujin tried to kill him?! so, yeah, that was also the reason i thought Stopwatch couldn't be a spy because yeah xD

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don't think I'd have settled on MDavid as the final target alone even if I were still in. He was doing really well at hiding it.

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No he really wasn't :V
He acted weird from end to start even though he was active. I'm actually kind of surprised I was the only one who picked up on that.

I'm always like that, not because I was a spy.

Actually I decided even before I got my role, to act the same regardless of what it will be.

I will answer the other questions a bit later.

I've seen you often enough to think that something was off, though... I really think you acted weird, though you got better at it in the middle.

WAIT WHAT?! MDavid played before?!

*drags MDavid to play mafia, too* xD

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anyway... is there something else i wanted to say... hmm... t'was an awesome game! *__* the teamwork! damn!

*high fives dumytru and Jellitto*

o/\o/\o

and MDavid!! that was really awesome sauce spy cleverness evilz sdfghjkklabefdk.ae xDDDD

*waits for the spies' speech and the REAL detectives' other answers and everyone else's thoughts*

[Jecka]

you, too, Jecka!! what are the rest of your investigations? when exactly did you clear someone? and what was your last investigation if you happened to survive Day 4?

I already said them. I already said that too. That would require going through logs which I do not feel like doing right now. I remember it was Not Spy but other than that.

[Edogawa4869]

...doing a quick scan on the latest posts, what are these kill stories you speak of MDavid? *__*

I wanted to try to be a little bit creative with this round of Espionage, but I couldn't figure out a way to fit it into the format for the phase changes (until the last night, anyway; and I had Fuji's help with that one). So I chose to give the Spies and Detectives little story blurbs surrounding their actions. Personally, I don't think they were all that great, but they were fun to make. Here's the one I gave the Spies on Day 2 (specifically Raifuujin) and here's the one I gave the Detectives on Day 1 (specifically Fuji):

It's snowing as you make your way through the neighborhood. The wind keeps blowing against your neck harshly, forcing you to unfold your collar to alleviate the pain. After a couple minutes of fighting through the wind and snow, you reach your destination and take shelter on the patio, curtly knocking twice. The door opens, showing the surprised face of your concerned neighbor.

"What are you doing here?" she whispers hastily, pulling you inside and closing the door. "It's almost time for curfew!" You make your apologies, muttering something through chattered teeth about being caught in the storm. "I can see that," she laughs softly. "Here, let me make you some hot chocolate and then you can make your way home after the storm passes." She heads into the kitchen, but you remain in the foyer for a moment, taking hold of her scarf hanging on the coat rack and pulling it taut a few times, testing its strength. Wrapping the ends around your hands, you head into the kitchen.

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The adrenaline carries you home. Shutting the door behind you, you take a glance at the clock in the room.

Look at that. Just in time for curfew.

You successfully killed Kaito Lady.

"Goddamnit," you swear at your home computer, frantically searching for the Internet for something, anything of use. The Mayor's unusual summons and resulting request troubled you greatly. He couldn't (perhaps wouldn't) give many details, but he tasked you to find information on the townspeople in the hopes that he might find narrow down his search for the Spies hiding in plain sight. As soon as the public voting ended, you rushed home and locked the door, getting right to work. After five hours of going through article after article, your eyes slowly drooped and closed...

Only to open sharply at the call of the siren in the town square, signalling the next Town Hall meeting. Damn it, you think to yourself as you shut off your computer. You couldn't get much, but you do know one thing: Jd- is NOT a Spy.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

oh damn! i wanna read more \o/ xD

[darkest absol]

I kind of want to read more as well. Those are pretty good.

[MoonRaven]

we could construct a whole fic with these

[Iwamoto Yuri]

espionage, a tale of betrayal

[shinichi'sapprentice]

Chapter 1: Spy Raiden

[Edogawa4869]

we could construct a whole fic with these

You know, I've always had a bizarre dream about doing just that... It's harder since you're not in everyone's head and you don't know what everyone is thinking, however. :\ If they were to PM the GM with their current thoughts on the issues at hand, however... That might make it possible. (So far, Stop's been very good at that. xD)

[Raiden]

Chapter 1: Spy Raiden

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*Inserts proper theme music*

[MoonRaven]

hmm... I'll write my thought-log tomorrow so someone can start mapping out the storyline

[MDavid]

I have never played before, I don't know where I was seen.

Togop
At the time Togop posted 3 times, 1 of those was to help the investigation, 0 suggested he was not spy, 1 attempt to get votes.
Not flashy but still helping. Just like a detective would.
Of course there was so few data it can be considered as random.

Raiden
Out of Raiden's 6 posts 1 was helpful, vote digging level 1, popularity 12.
Kind of the same logic as before.
Also people who receive many votes without trying hard are dangerous.

Jd-
Well this one is obvious, I had to act while he hadn't revealed all of his ideas.
Also the crowd is less coordinated without him.
It seemed the best decision to target him, regardless of his role.
I did not understand the way of thinking of the other spy so I couldn't rely on them either.

Iwamoto Yuri
I had a feeling she was about to get really dangerous later.
Sometimes i had to do things that made me look more like a spy. Because a spy would never do that.
She openly suspected me so it was a good opportunity. It was too obvious thus not considered.

Fujiwara
It was time to target one of the most active players because their combination was too strong.
Fujiwara's idea per post ratio was the highest.
Shinichi'sapprentice was just as dangerous, but I had reasons to keep him alive.

I knew shinichi'sapprentice was not a detective.
He nominated two people he cleared, but a real detective would not put innocent people in danger like that.
The detectives know how important they are and would not put town in danger by making themselves a target either. At least not that early.
It was a way too desperate move.

It was obvious someone will step up to carry on his legacy after Jd- is gone.
A civilian or the other spy was the most probable to do so.
A civilian has less to lose than a detective and there were some pretty active players.
The other spy might also want to take advantage of that vacuum and take over control.

Since he was noticeably supporting Fujiwara and me, I realised he must be a civilian who believes we might be detectives.
His hints for the real detectives and attempts to make them talk also gave it away.
This was favorable for me and Jd-'s voting strategy he pressured made the whole game more predictable which is good for a spy.

Therefore I chose Fujiwara.

The whole time I had no idea that Jecka was a detective or that Raifuujin was the other spy.