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shinichi'sapprentice wrote: ~Possible reasons as to why there was only one death:
1. One of the spy chose to not kill Day 3 OR wasn't able to send a kill. If the spy chose to not kill, then please I'd like to hear more thoughts from others regarding this. If the spy wasn't able to send a kill, this makes Jecka a lot more suspicious. Aside from Osaka Detective not sending in votes, she was the only one who did so. If one wasn't able to send votes, isn't it also possible that they weren't able to send their kill? Why would a spy choose to not kill hoping that someone was inactive when clearly, everyone was participating actively.

2. One of the spy tried to ensure Osaka Detective's death. Hoping he really was the detective, and also trying to hide the fact that they killed on Day 3 which means they were one of the people who were able to vote. Hence, in this case, not Jecka. Arrests takes place before kills. And with the uncertainty of who Stopwatch will vote, all the more reason to kill Osaka Detective just in case he survives. Or... simply really hoping he was going to be arrested and their kill will be hidden.

3. One of the spy tried to kill another person. And that person, is the other spy! This is dangerous since this one spy is now ahead from all of us since he now knows who his ally is. This then, makes me want to ask this more:
4. There is also the possibility of both spies killing Jd-.

I will post my other thoughts later.
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Campaign Round (Day 4)

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Should we wish to use the same strategy for this phase, here is the list ready for us to be filled:

dumytru is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Fujiwara is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from __________
MoonRaven is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Jellitto is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Nemomon is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
shinichi'sapprentice is receiving +4 VOTES from __________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Raifuujin is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Stopwatch is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
MDavid is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Jecka is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
Iwamoto Yuri is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
__________ should NOT receive any votes for this strategy. Please read here for more information.


Now, our concern this phase is WHO we will be putting up for the arrest. I have three names in mind. What do you guys think?
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Goddammit. I was also looking forward to Jd-'s idea.
Spy you're EVILZ!!

dumytru wrote:For spies and informants from previous rounds, it's obvious... wait, it's not!
I think people who were spies and informants in previous rounds can be trusted a little more, up to a certain degree.

I just realised, but as a Spy I wanted to kill the Detective and avoid killing civilians. I was almost lynched because there weren't many civilians left in the game.

If I were a spy I would carefully chose my targets, and I would possibly choose not to kill.
I'd totally do that and then start theories about why the spy didn't killed, or if they found eachother's identity (I wouldn't kill D1 and D3, or something like that).

Anyway, it's pretty bad, for the spies, to have few civilians in game. If you could stop killing, that'd be great (no kidding, really)
The spy agreed with me \o/
It could be that one spy purposefuly didn't killed, both tried to kill Jd- (which totally means the spies are noobies felt the danger), or one of the spies tried to kill another.
Question to the GM: in the later case, one spy will get his/her kill failed, but will the other one recieve a notice?

Whatever the case, I think it's pointless to start theories about it [the non-kill]. It won't lead to anything but false theories (I know since I did it the round I was spy).
SA wrote:1. One of the spy chose to not kill Day 3 OR wasn't able to send a kill. If the spy chose to not kill, then please I'd like to hear more thoughts from others regarding this. If the spy wasn't able to send a kill, this makes Jecka a lot more suspicious. Aside from Osaka Detective not sending in votes, she was the only one who did so. If one wasn't able to send votes, isn't it also possible that they weren't able to send their kill? Why would a spy choose to not kill hoping that someone was inactive when clearly, everyone was participating actively.

2. One of the spy tried to ensure Osaka Detective's death. Hoping he really was the detective, and also trying to hide the fact that they killed on Day 3 which means they were one of the people who were able to vote. Hence, in this case, not Jecka. Arrests takes place before kills. And with the uncertainty of who Stopwatch will vote, all the more reason to kill Osaka Detective just in case he survives. Or... simply really hoping he was going to be arrested and their kill will be hidden.
Certainly, Jecka missed the phase, but I don't think we should label her as Spy, just yet. That being said, it's definitely suspicious.

Here's an idea I thought just now

We have a BIG problem. We're not using our lists at all. AT. ALL.
But how are we going to use it?

My idea goes like this: we decide on a suspect and then we look at our lists.
Those who don't have the suspect on the list should say so in the topic. At this point we should have a better idea of the suspect's role.
The only probem I see is in the case we choose the Detective as a suspect.

So let's do this instead: let's choose 3 suspects (or more, but three should be just fine). Everybody will vote one/two of them to be lynched based on their lists.
Since it's pretty random, we shouldn't be giving too much info to the spies. We also should be careful about choosing the suspects.

TL;TR
1. We chose three (or so) suspects to be lynched based on people we [don't] trust (definitely not using our lists).
2. We decide on one of those three suspects and get him/her lynched. We may (or may not) use our lists at this step.

I want to brainstorm about this idea with you. I think we should use our lists to a bare minimum!

That being said, I'm going to say we should lynch MDavid or Jecka. (note I only have 2 out of 3 suspects)
I think this way we'll get a little more control over the lynching.

So let's do that three-list suspects quicly and then decide on one of them to be lynched.
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Campaign Round (Day 4)

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dumytru wrote:
dumytru wrote:For spies and informants from previous rounds, it's obvious... wait, it's not!
I think people who were spies and informants in previous rounds can be trusted a little more, up to a certain degree.

I just realised, but as a Spy I wanted to kill the Detective and avoid killing civilians. I was almost lynched because there weren't many civilians left in the game.

If I were a spy I would carefully chose my targets, and I would possibly choose not to kill.
I'd totally do that and then start theories about why the spy didn't killed, or if they found eachother's identity (I wouldn't kill D1 and D3, or something like that).

Anyway, it's pretty bad, for the spies, to have few civilians in game. If you could stop killing, that'd be great (no kidding, really)
The spy agreed with me \o/
I... may actually have thought that you brought this up early in the phase just so you could actually DO IT that same phase. ::)
dumytru wrote:It could be that one spy purposefuly didn't killed, both tried to kill Jd- (which totally means the spies are noobies felt the danger), or one of the spies tried to kill another.
ehehe... nice theory
dumytru wrote:Question to the GM: in the later case, one spy will get his/her kill failed, but will the other one recieve a notice?
Edogawa4869 wrote:— Both Spies may kill each phase. If they both target the same Civilian or Detective, they will both be given a successful result by the GM. However: Spies cannot kill each other, by accident or on purpose. If a Spy targets another Spy, the GM will return that their kill action failed. Whether a Spy then frames their fellow Spy and has them arrested, or indirectly works with them to kill the remaining Detectives is then up to them. A Spy also is not forced to kill and may elect not to do so.

dumytru wrote:Here's an idea I thought just now

We have a BIG problem. We're not using our lists at all. AT. ALL.
But how are we going to use it?

My idea goes like this: we decide on a suspect and then we look at our lists.
Those who don't have the suspect on the list should say so in the topic. At this point we should have a better idea of the suspect's role.
The only probem I see is in the case we choose the Detective as a suspect.

So let's do this instead: let's choose 3 suspects (or more, but three should be just fine). Everybody will vote one/two of them to be lynched based on their lists.
Since it's pretty random, we shouldn't be giving too much info to the spies. We also should be careful about choosing the suspects.

TL;TR
1. We chose three (or so) suspects to be lynched based on people we [don't] trust (definitely not using our lists).
2. We decide on one of those three suspects and get him/her lynched. We may (or may not) use our lists at this step.

I want to brainstorm about this idea with you. I think we should use our lists to a bare minimum!

That being said, I'm going to say we should lynch MDavid or Jecka. (note I only have 2 out of 3 suspects)
I think this way we'll get a little more control over the lynching.

So let's do that three-list suspects quicly and then decide on one of them to be lynched.
DEFINITELY NO! If we are to nominate people, JUST DO IT. Civilians, DO NOT EVER MENTION THAT YOUR DECISION IS BASED ON YOUR LISTS! ONE, if you do so, then you just outed yourself as a civilian which is not good in my opinion. TWO, if you say that someone is NOT in your list, then that person is NOT in your list!

Anyway, as for my nominations on who we should arrest:

Jellitto, MDavid, MoonRaven, Nemomon

Huge list, I know... However, that is the order in which I find them suspicious. The first one being the most suspicious and the last one as the least suspicious.

ALSO, IF WE END UP HAVING A DETECTIVE UP FOR THE ARREST, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU LET US KNOW WHO YOU TRUST!

I was about to suicide, but I guess I shall wait more. :D

TO EVERYONE, AS SOON AS YOU FIND TIME TO CATCH ON, IMMEDIATELY NOMINATE SOMEONE YOU THINK WE SHOULD PUT UP FOR THE ARREST TODAY! WE DO NOT HAVE MUCH TIME AND WE STILL HAVE TO ORGANIZE THE VOTES!
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AT 5:00 AM EST...and 8:00 AM EST at most, IF WE STILL DON'T GET ANY PROGRESS WHATSOEVER, PREPARE FOR THE WORST... or not

*prepares to drink lots of coffee* TONIGHT, (I)WE GO TO WAR!...no sleep, i mean xD
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WE ARE NOW ALMOST AT THE TWELFTH HOUR OF THE DAY!

WHO SHOULD WE ARREST?


dumytru: MDavid or Jecka
shinichi'sapprentice: Jellitto, MDavid, MoonRaven, or Nemomon
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Please think about it a little more. I said three with a reason in mind. (though two should work)

Forget about people saying they have X on their lists. That was a completely different idea from the nominations.
We should use our list in the second step, when we have three suspects and need to decide who we're gonna lynch.
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shinichi'sapprentice wrote:
dumytru wrote:
dumytru wrote:For spies and informants from previous rounds, it's obvious... wait, it's not!
I think people who were spies and informants in previous rounds can be trusted a little more, up to a certain degree.

I just realised, but as a Spy I wanted to kill the Detective and avoid killing civilians. I was almost lynched because there weren't many civilians left in the game.

If I were a spy I would carefully chose my targets, and I would possibly choose not to kill.
I'd totally do that and then start theories about why the spy didn't killed, or if they found eachother's identity (I wouldn't kill D1 and D3, or something like that).

Anyway, it's pretty bad, for the spies, to have few civilians in game. If you could stop killing, that'd be great (no kidding, really)
The spy agreed with me \o/
I... may actually have thought that you brought this up early in the phase just so you could actually DO IT that same phase. ::)
Not sure if I get this right, only that you think I could be the Spy.
Besides, I already said we shouldn't make theories about it anymore.
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sorry! just skimmed your post and just reread it fast and still understand it the way i did the first time xD

but if i have to reduce it to two, then...

WHO SHOULD WE ARREST?

dumytru: MDavid or Jecka
shinichi'sapprentice: Jellitto or MDavid


REMINDER: If we end up putting a detective up for the arrest today, please do make sure you tell us the people you trust! If possible, I hope people will still continue to answer the question Who do YOU trust?
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It seems like my posts are invisible because they are ignored almost all the time.
Maybe I should be using huge colourful texts? It seems to work...

To answer the question: I trust Raifuujin, Iwamoto Yuri and shinichi'sapprentice
Although this does not concern where my votes go to.

And I would still like to hear why I should be arrested.
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*sees SA has basically the same suspects I do*

I'd say Nemomon or MoonRaven / MDavid. I'm not sure about the latter. About who I trust...the longer this lasts the more I distrust people, but at the moment it's those I trust the least.
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This is certainly getting interesting. I have something sitting in my drafts waiting to be posted if we don't get any progress... Maybe I should post it now. Fujiwara, where are you? ;_; Nemomon, I see you there... Speak up, man.
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Don't have a lot of time atm, unfortunately, so just very briefly:

I am, generally, in favor of controlling the lynch again, but unfortunately things didn't go as smoothly as I'd have hoped yesterday. While OD was lynched as we intended, the way we got there was certainly not according to plan. At this point, I'd really like to know why Stopwatch decided to try to stop the lynch and what she's planning to do today - because the way we want to control the lynch, it can easily be stopped by one person giving 5 votes to the intended victim, as Stop did.

Of the people which have been nominated so far - who mostly coincide with my own suspects - I'd say I'm most suspicious of Nemomon, who was just active enough to secure his survival in the first 2 days, but hasn't actually contributed anything to the discussion so far. You may say that the same can be said for other people, but while people like Raifuu and Jellitto are known for being more quiet, Nemomon was a lot more active in discussing things last round.

As for people I trust: This is Espionage - I don't trust anyone :P
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Fujiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

UPDATE:
WHO SHOULD WE ARREST?
dumytru: MDavid or Jecka
shinichi'sapprentice: MoonRaven or Nemomon
Fujiwara: Nemomon
Jellitto: Nemomon or MoonRaven/MDavid


Indeed. Stopwatch, when you get the time, as soon as you can, please share your thoughts.

Another post coming up... *runs around anxiously*
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Gee, nice... I just woke up and came to see the results and what do I see? I'm being nominated for a lynch... Sorry, for not being useful before... School is killing my strategic thinking here. And it's not my fault the people I vote happen to die! I just have a bad luck just like in that one mafia game where as soon as I allied someone, that someone died...
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