ESPIONAGE: Campaign Round - DETECTIVES AND CIVILIANS WIN!

[Jd-]

The remaining voters, I think, are: shinichi'sapprentice, dumytru, Stopwatch, and MoonRaven. We still need votes for Jellitto and MDavid. Anyone with a +4 left, help fill in their blanks before mine.

HOWEVER: Jellitto and MDavid, don't worry about that. If you do not have any votes on the tally, we will ensure that you have enough by the time this is over. You have my assurance that I'll help in all possible ways to keep you in, as I'm sure will the others. If the inactives don't come around with their votes, we can redistribute some of the +4's at around 3:00 PM? (Two hours before phase change)

[Edogawa4869]

One more thing I wanted to say is: if we tie, both players die, am I wrong?
If that's the case, controlling the lynch is the best shot we have (I actually considered that before Jd-'s post)

If there is a tie, no player will be arrested.

[dumytru]

One more thing I wanted to say is: if we tie, both players die, am I wrong?
If that's the case, controlling the lynch is the best shot we have (I actually considered that before Jd-'s post)

If there is a tie, no player will be arrested.

I see. I was sure I read something along those lines in the rules. Oh well.

Controlling the lynch is still better than randomly letting people die.

You have my assurance that I'll help in all possible ways to keep you in, as I'm sure will the others. If the inactives don't come around with their votes, we can redistribute some of the +4's at around 3:00 PM? (Two hours before phase change)

I'll be online before the phase change, so I can help with that.

[Jd-]

(I'll hold off on updating the tally until dumytru can edit his post for whatever he wants to add in, should he wish to)

As for the tie possibility: A tie is going to be really, really bad for us--not quite as bad as losing another civilian, but it also does nothing for us. We're just going to keep getting slaughtered with no meaningful direction until we have some actual say and control over who it is that's getting arrested in our name. Not only is a tie unlikely and extremely hard to control (because there's no real margin for error unlike with our current lynching strategy where we can have +5 votes ahead of the chosen target), we're really just stalling and keeping one of us alive just to keep our numbers up. The Spies will continue to be in charge of who lives and dies while we sit around and wait for the Detectives to go next. If such a strategy goes wrong, of course, we'll just lose someone we didn't mean to and be right back to where we were before... again.

[Jd-]

Here's an updated list. If you want in on this strategy, please sign up into any of the empty blanks below:

Jd- is receiving +4 VOTES from dumytru and +1 VOTE from Jecka
Iwamoto Yuri is receiving +4 VOTES from Jecka and +1 VOTE from Fujiwara
shinichi'sapprentice is receiving +4 VOTES from Jd- and +1 VOTE from Nemomon
Fujiwara is receiving +4 VOTES from MDavid and +1 VOTE from Jd-
MoonRaven is receiving +4 VOTES from Nemomon and +1 VOTE from Jellitto
Jecka is receiving +4 VOTES from Iwamoto Yuri and +1 VOTE from Raifuujin
Jellitto is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from dumytru
Raifuujin is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from Iwamoto Yuri
Nemomon is receiving +4 VOTES from Jellitto and +1 VOTE from ___________
MDavid is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
dumytru is receiving +4 VOTES from Raifuujin and +1 VOTE from ___________
Stopwatch is receiving +4 VOTES from Fujiwara and +1 VOTE from MDavid
Osaka Detective should NOT receive any votes for this strategy. Please read here for more information.

If you change your vote at any time or if you are somehow misunderstood as to not be voting this way, please correct us in the topic. The person you were supporting may end up arrested otherwise when we try to balance things out due to inactives.

[dumytru]

(I'll hold off on updating the tally until dumytru can edit his post for whatever he wants to add in, should he wish to)

Should be okay now. I haven't really added/deleted anything.
I mostly fixed bad quotes and some grammar mistakes.

Edit:
I edited that post 12 times :/ I must be really tired, lol.

Last edited by dumytru on 19 Nov 2014, 16:22, edited 12 times in total.

[Jd-]

Should be okay now. I haven't really added/deleted anything.
I mostly fixed bad quotes and some grammar mistakes.

All updated, there we go.

Last remaining voters are MoonRaven, Stopwatch, and shinichi'sapprentice. If we are unable to secure all of the blanks before phase change, we can make a quick arrangement between 3:00~4:00 PM to reduce some of the +4 votes to cover up some of the missing ones. Those players will be as safe as anyone else at that point.

[MoonRaven]

I'm awake!

I just got home from school too.

Okay, I'm giving 4+ to Jellitto and 1+ to Nemomon

[shinichi'sapprentice]

oh damn... two hours remain...

Who do YOU trust?

I noticed that you haven't actually answered the question yourself.

He didn't. Indeed. Please do so, SA!!!

Oh, I did! I always do and I always will. You just have to look back on my entire activity; posts, votes, and what not. hint hint

[dumytru]

oh damn... two hours remain...

Who do YOU trust?

I noticed that you haven't actually answered the question yourself.

He didn't. Indeed. Please do so, SA!!!

Oh, I did! I always do and I always will. You just have to look back on my entire activity; posts, votes, and what not. hint hint

*gives beer to Nemomon*

*gives coffee to Fuji*

*gives B'z to Jd-*

*gives KID and Descole plushies to Raifuujin*

But, jokes aside, you're acting kinda wierd. Not spy-like, but wierd.

[shinichi'sapprentice]

i always act weird, don't i? and i said entire activity... and not that xD

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so the updated list so far including MoonRaven's votes:

Jd- is receiving +4 VOTES from dumytru and +1 VOTE from Jecka
Iwamoto Yuri is receiving +4 VOTES from Jecka and +1 VOTE from Fujiwara
shinichi'sapprentice is receiving +4 VOTES from Jd- and +1 VOTE from Nemomon
Fujiwara is receiving +4 VOTES from MDavid and +1 VOTE from Jd-
MoonRaven is receiving +4 VOTES from Nemomon and +1 VOTE from Jellitto
Jecka is receiving +4 VOTES from Iwamoto Yuri and +1 VOTE from Raifuujin
Jellitto is receiving +4 VOTES from MoonRaven and +1 VOTE from dumytru
Raifuujin is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from Iwamoto Yuri
Nemomon is receiving +4 VOTES from Jellitto and +1 VOTE from MoonRaven
MDavid is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from ___________
dumytru is receiving +4 VOTES from Raifuujin and +1 VOTE from ___________
Stopwatch is receiving +4 VOTES from Fujiwara and +1 VOTE from MDavid
Osaka Detective should NOT receive any votes for this strategy. Please read here for more information.

will be sending my votes fifteen minutes to start of Day 4 <o

[Jd-]

So, without SA and Stopwatch directly assisting this effort, we will need to cover for Raifuujin and MDavid in order for them to be safe. We can also cover dumytru to be sure, too. I'll be reducing the +4 to SA from me to give to Raifuujin.

Anyone who comes around before the phase change, please claim one of the following vote changes and send in your updated votes:
1) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid (Covered by Jd-)
2) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid
3) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to dumytru
4) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to Raifuujin
5) Reduce your +4 for your original vote and give a +1 to MDavid

But, jokes aside, you're [SA] acting kinda wierd. Not spy-like, but wierd.

I agree. I don't understand why SA doesn't just outright say who he trusts and then vote for someone like MDavid. He was one of the first people to see the tally, so he could have just voted however he pleased back then to support whoever he wanted. No one would've known if he was a civilian or Detective. At this point, we're just having to scramble at the end to cover up for that. Hopefully it will make some sort of sense later.

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Here's an updated list. If you want in on this strategy, please sign up into any of the empty blanks below:

Jd- is receiving +4 VOTES from dumytru and +1 VOTE from Jecka
Iwamoto Yuri is receiving +4 VOTES from Jecka and +1 VOTE from Fujiwara
shinichi'sapprentice is receiving +3 VOTES from Jd- and +1 VOTE from Nemomon
Fujiwara is receiving +4 VOTES from MDavid and +1 VOTE from Jd-
MoonRaven is receiving +4 VOTES from Nemomon and +1 VOTE from Jellitto
Jecka is receiving +4 VOTES from Iwamoto Yuri and +1 VOTE from Raifuujin
Jellitto is receiving +4 VOTES from MoonRaven and +1 VOTE from dumytru
Raifuujin is receiving +4 VOTES from __________ and +1 VOTE from Iwamoto Yuri
Nemomon is receiving +4 VOTES from Jellitto and +1 VOTE from MoonRaven
MDavid is receiving +4 VOTES from ___________ and +1 VOTE from Jd-
dumytru is receiving +4 VOTES from Raifuujin and +1 VOTE from ___________
Stopwatch is receiving +4 VOTES from Fujiwara and +1 VOTE from MDavid
Osaka Detective should NOT receive any votes for this strategy. Please read here for more information.

If you change your vote at any time or if you are somehow misunderstood as to not be voting this way, please correct us in the topic. The person you were supporting may end up arrested otherwise when we try to balance things out due to inactives.

[dumytru]

Lemme guess who you're thinking to vote, SA:
+4 MDavid and +1 dumytru

Anyways, I'm gonna get some sleep and tomorrow I'll see the results.


Oh, RMed again. Twice in a day \o/

[Stopwatch]

@Jd-: No. The majority of our info on who the Spies are come from discussing our reads. This way you would simply be ensuring the Spies get another kill each while we get no info from lynches because you're in control of them. I would really like to hear your motive for this because as it is, I'm definitely not voting you.

At the very least, I want to see who pushes to make sure someone other than themselves is the best lynch.

Day 1: Random civilian is arrested because no one has any idea what to do with votes.

Day 2: Random civilian is arrested because no one has any idea what to do with votes.

How likely do you really, honestly think that Day 3 is going to say something like this...

Day 3: Spy is arrested.

Without some coordination? You're going to need to fill me and the rest of us in on how that's going to happen. Neither of the Spies is going to volunteer for us to vote them out. Sadly, they're just not being that cooperative with us.

You say that I am "ensuring" the Spies get "another kill" through the arrest when in fact, you are ensuring the Spies get "another kill" by haplessly hoping that they would ever allow themselves to be voted out randomly. Think very carefully about how the voting works. Without establishing trust that everyone will work toward a common goal, it simply is not possible to get any of the Spies out of the game before the Lynch Voting begins--which it absolutely definitely will, by the way. There is no scenario outside of complete inaction that the Spies will exit the game before that point without everyone coordinating.

As for "my motive", you should read the post where all of this was explained in great detail. But, for perspective, let's go back to your earlier "post" in which you tried to make "a point":

@Jd-: Later than normal for one of your "plans", isn't it? I mean, usually you come up with stuff earlier whereas this time it was just about securing your survival, you know? I hope whatever you come up with is interesting though .

You cannot have it both ways. Either my intention was just to secure my survival all along or my intention was to service the civilian effort. If my goal is only survival, I would never bother trying to alter the flow of the game that is so obviously completely in favor of the Spies. I already received the most votes on both Day 1 and Day 2. I could have easily ranked highly in the voting again on Day 3, Day 4, and Day 5 if I stayed in the game that long. Tell me why, as the Spy, I would ever bother trying to arrest Osaka Detective for any reason? I would have killed people who were actually posing an active threat to my side while simply appearing clueless as to what's going on. It's not even like I was on the chopping block in any regard. Going out of my way here is purely for the civilian effort, and that is something that will be clear to anyone who takes the time to weigh the odds going forward.

More specifically, to your "observation" about any sort of "plan" coming "too late" instead of "earlier", allow me to only state this: Only two phases had passed in the game to that point. If you had "read" the actual post earlier, it would have become apparent that the reason for not jumping the gun was to try to give direction once some sort of direction presented itself.

As far as I can tell, your "plan" appears to be to simply hope the Spies forget to vote, don't vote out of pity for how poorly the other side is doing and wanting to give us a sporting chance, or that we will somehow all magically locate all of the other civilians and vote for each other while completely avoiding any influence from the Spies. That sounds really magical in theory, but that just... honestly... is not going to happen. I can see exactly why the Spies would want us to continue doing exactly that, but not why a civilian would. If you have an actual "plan" to put forth that isn't just hopeful thinking, I would definitely love to hear it.

Whatever. If we're both still around in the morning I'll respond to this properly, but for now, well, I disagree. Just getting that out there.

[Stopwatch]

Oh, and Detective, if you're elected to be eliminated next phase, claim your role. Sure, you'll be killed at night, but at least we can switch our lynch onto someone else and we can be fairly sure that both Spies will target the Detective at night to ensure they get killed (would be too risky not to) which means that there will only be two deaths that D/N phase and we're going to be in control of one of them.

Think about it.