Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Ice9455 wrote:There's no reason for Bourbon to believe his deduction is wrong even if they throw him off Okiya's trail, at most Bourbon might just look for someone else. Also there's the nagging question that Bourbon mentioned he wasn't sure Conan's relation to Yusaku, which IMO could cause problems for Conan down the road. I actually think that Bourbon is going to focus a lot more on Conan after this exchange. What do you guys think?
my thought exactly, i mentioned something like this before.......here:

viewtopic.php?p=811231#p811231

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Yeah I agree with those two points. Bourbon seems like the type that would investigate the relationship between Conan and Yusaku if nothing more than to satisfy his own curiosity. Which like you said would could lead him to Shinichi Kudo, assuming that Bourbon has never heard of him. That would probably lead Bourbon to investigate why an up and coming detective suddenly fell off the face of the earth. Plus let's face it, most people realize that Conan is no normal kid, especially since Bourbon is under the impression that Conan hatched the entire plan to hide Akai. I"m very interested to see where the story goes from this point forward.
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PhantomWriter wrote:
So, any last minute theories? Because I've got nothing else right now. Not enough information and I'm debating between three theories about his allegiance: PSIA, Org., and MI6. All have interesting details and evidence in their favor and each with their own problems.
My guess is that Gosho will drag out the revelations about Amuro. Now's the time for Akai to be revealed, it's rather unlikely that there'll be a full revelation about Amuro so quickly; at most we'll get a few hints and misdirections.
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Ice9455 wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:
Ice9455 wrote:There's no reason for Bourbon to believe his deduction is wrong even if they throw him off Okiya's trail, at most Bourbon might just look for someone else. Also there's the nagging question that Bourbon mentioned he wasn't sure Conan's relation to Yusaku, which IMO could cause problems for Conan down the road. I actually think that Bourbon is going to focus a lot more on Conan after this exchange. What do you guys think?
my thought exactly, i mentioned something like this before.......here:

viewtopic.php?p=811231#p811231

viewtopic.php?p=811258#p811258

Yeah I agree with those two points. Bourbon seems like the type that would investigate the relationship between Conan and Yusaku if nothing more than to satisfy his own curiosity. Which like you said would could lead him to Shinichi Kudo, assuming that Bourbon has never heard of him. That would probably lead Bourbon to investigate why an up and coming detective suddenly fell off the face of the earth. Plus let's face it, most people realize that Conan is no normal kid, especially since Bourbon is under the impression that Conan hatched the entire plan to hide Akai. I"m very interested to see where the story goes from this point forward.
Me too, and I'm almost certain that Amuro will find out about Conan's identity! If there are people that were disappointed that the only BO member(except Vermouth), that found out about shinichi's shrinking, died(irish), Gosho is making up for that with Bourbon!!! Just like with Sera, the female detective substitute! ! ;)
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Ice9455 wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:
Ice9455 wrote:There's no reason for Bourbon to believe his deduction is wrong even if they throw him off Okiya's trail, at most Bourbon might just look for someone else. Also there's the nagging question that Bourbon mentioned he wasn't sure Conan's relation to Yusaku, which IMO could cause problems for Conan down the road. I actually think that Bourbon is going to focus a lot more on Conan after this exchange. What do you guys think?
my thought exactly, i mentioned something like this before.......here:

viewtopic.php?p=811231#p811231

viewtopic.php?p=811258#p811258

Yeah I agree with those two points. Bourbon seems like the type that would investigate the relationship between Conan and Yusaku if nothing more than to satisfy his own curiosity. Which like you said would could lead him to Shinichi Kudo, assuming that Bourbon has never heard of him. That would probably lead Bourbon to investigate why an up and coming detective suddenly fell off the face of the earth. Plus let's face it, most people realize that Conan is no normal kid, especially since Bourbon is under the impression that Conan hatched the entire plan to hide Akai. I"m very interested to see where the story goes from this point forward.
Me too, and I'm almost certain that Amuro will find out about Conan's identity! If there are people that were disappointed that the only BO member(except Vermouth), that found out about shinichi's shrinking, died(irish), Gosho is making up for that with Bourbon!!! Just like with Sera, the female detective substitute! ! ;)
Yeah the whole Sera thing is interesting too because she definitely knows that Conan is Shinichi. As for Bourbon I also think he may discover Conan's real identity, or he'll come extremely close if he doesn't. The more interesting point is what he'd do with that information if he attained it. It's gotten me thinking ever since Conan asked if he was a bad guy and Amuro said "it seems you've misunderstood something about me" that line has been driving me INSANE, wondering what exactly he was referring to.
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PhantomWriter wrote:
aly_angelflight wrote:
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Geez, Vermouth, you should know that you can't fire a shotgun with one hand in your pocket... Obvious lie much? ::)
Well, he could, I guess, but the backlash would likely break his wrist...
Jd- wrote:
Kudo Shinchi wrote:@Jd- About Akai appearing as himself on the Mystery Train; I'm pretty sure it was because Amuro at that point had already seen Okiya once, during the Detective Nocturne case. They both saw each other very briefly during the car chase. ... If Akai appeared as Okiya on the MT case, Amuro would know where to start looking right away, since I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just drop the fact that someone on the train with a grenade had directly interfered with his plan. Even if Akai ditched his Okiya identity right after that and disappeared, that would seem only more suspicious to Amuro, who would probably then decide to stay around anyways to investigate further, and what ended up happening for real in the story would happen anyways. Akai would have to come back with a new identity, since his mission as Okiya is staying hidden AND protecting Haibara, and in that case he'd make himself more conspicuous, as having Okiya disappear and be replaced by yet another new person would scream suspicious.
While they did see each other briefly, there isn't really an explanation in-series in place right now to explain why Akai had to show his face at all to toss the grenade apart from introducing a bit of drama and giving Gosho a reason to put Amuro back on track, and why Akai didn't take more precautions when he boarded the train in the first place. We're led to believe they came prepared for a lot of eventualities, but apparently they missed a pretty big one.

I'm OK with Amuro eventually working his way down to Okiya, but there is nothing in place right now that gives a real, solid reason for Akai to risk reigniting that investigation when his elaborate death was almost entirely confirmed. The risk-reward ratio is entirely in favor of the Black Organization, unless Akai and Conan know something major that we haven't even considered yet. After all, we have to factor in not just Amuro finding Akai himself but all of the side effects involved. Amuro, as soon as he saw Akai, completely changed tacts. From then on, he focused on Conan, on Sera, on Mouri, on Ran, on everyone that was even remotely involved in the situation, when otherwise he was ready to give up. There had to be a better logical way to handle that situation than outright handing him the answer. The way it's gone so far just made it seem like Amuro couldn't have done it without Akai's appearance there. He had fallen for the entire ploy just like everyone else, and the only reason their elaborate plan failed in the slightest was because of Akai's sudden appearance. From the outside looking in, it really doesn't feel like a lot of thought went into that move on Akai's part.

Naturally, given that this is Conan, I can take or leave all of that for the purposes of driving the story along, but what I cannot simply gloss over is the fact that Kir was instantly hung out to dry. Even if it turns out that Akai knows Amuro well from the past and thinks he knows how Amuro will react and everything else, Kir's life really shouldn't be put on the line in an already volatile situation. We were led to believe for an entire arc that re-introducing Kir to the organization would be driving in a wedge of steel the organization could never remove. A lot of importance was placed on getting her back in and completing her cover, which now seems like something that isn't as important as Akai coming back. As soon as Akai is confirmed back alive, Kir either has to die or has to flee the organization. So, expediting that process seems a bit pointless and fruitless given that, in the Conan world, it's only been (if the past is any indication) at most a month or two since she got back inside.

In short, Gosho almost has to have something more going on here, or else the Mystery Train will be remembered a lot like the Red Shirts in a couple of years.

Kor wrote:
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So far this is my only explanation: Everyone was being stupid and reckless in the Train Case. It's only miraculous that it worked so well for Conan.
That case is why I can't rule out Yusaku disguising as Okiya at this moment. It sounds dumb, but so does "Conan and his friends going on a train potentially filled with B.O. agents", or "Conan finding Kaito Kid and persuading him to disguise as Shiho".
I also want to note something else about the Mystery Train here. If we're sure that Amuro would have worked his way to Okiya, why would we not expect him to maybe think the whole thing was a setup? He has no real reason to believe that Shiho died there that day given that the guy he is chasing just revealed that their side is pretty good at faking deaths. Akai appearing there should be a bit of a red flag that maybe--just maybe--not everything is as it seems and maybe--just maybe--everything was a bit too convenient for their side as well. That would mean Amuro may not buy the Shiho death shenanigans and the entire thing would be wasted anyway. I'm really, really hoping there's some unseen angle to it that tidies up that case.
My only theory about why he didn't think it through was because he didn't anticipate the explosives either and knew he either had to do something immediately or KID would get killed as soon as he was discovered. On top of that, not covering means that the plan would for certain fall apart. (Unless that PSIA theory is correct, I should note, but that's something also unanticipated.) That is one of Akai's character traits, leaping immediately to defend the (relatively in this case) innocent. Both he and Conan have hero complexes (to quote Hermione, "a saving people thing"), but Conan has this weird sort of hatred with regard to KID and tried to blow KID up after the Midair Walk and was the one to incorporate KID into the plan without giving KID any information and blackmailing him into doing it.

As for the disguise issue, I have no idea why he chose to go in undisguised. Perhaps it relates to how Amuro thought for a moment he was Vermouth instead, so he'd have enough time to do what he came to do without getting shot?

I will admit the symmetry amuses me, JD.
I was rereading the manga and noticed that Akai didn't even change clothes from when he was transferring the unconscious Masumi as Okiya to throwing the grenade as Akai (except for putting on the hat, some strands of black hair, and removing the spectacles). Which seems to imply that it was a very hurried, last minute risky decision that wouldn't have been done had not the alternative been much worse.
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generally what time does the raw manga scan come out? I almost want to pull an all nighter waiting for this file haha
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Pathat wrote:generally what time does the raw manga scan come out? I almost want to pull an all nighter waiting for this file haha
At least 6 hours from now, or later.
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The Day is Finally here!
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
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Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
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Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
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Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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i already pulled an all nighter but not for spoilers.....i was reading fanfictions.......btw guys whr do we get the raw scand once they are uploaded on the net
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No one has to worry about asking about where the spoilers and such will appear. The staff and regulars will keep you posted; just keep an eye on this topic and you'll be amongst the first to see them.
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It seem info on the time of the spoiler is slightly incorrect.

First spoiler pics
THIS IS 896 SPOILER, EVEN IT SHOULD LOOK OBVIOUS ALREADY
http://www.beika-street.net/index.php?t ... 113391#new

go here and wait for more
http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/ConanNews.htm
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Heart attack!!!!!! I regret looking at it even if it was for a sec! !!!!! Major spoil indeed!!!!!! O.O
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:Heart attack!!!!!! I regret looking at it even if it was for a sec! !!!!! Major spoil indeed!!!!!! O.O
From the looks of it, you don't seem to be the only one who got a heart attack. ^^
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They should really be looking at the road, though. It appeared to have a lot of turns. óo

The left page seems to only be stating the obvious, but has anyone got an idea on what is said on the right side? At the very least, it looks like everything is going as they (or at least Conan) planned, judging from the cat caught the canary looks.
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Sani wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:Heart attack!!!!!! I regret looking at it even if it was for a sec! !!!!! Major spoil indeed!!!!!! O.O
From the looks of it, you don't seem to be the only one who got a heart attack. ^^
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They should really be looking at the road, though. It appeared to have a lot of turns. óo

The left page seems to only be stating the obvious, but has anyone got an idea on what is said on the right side? At the very least, it looks like everything is going as they (or at least Conan) planned, judging from the cat caught the canary looks.
yea, lets just hope it gets translated fast, like the week before!!! ^^
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
Image
Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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