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Bourbon was surprised to see people outside, so they're not other BO members and probably reporters. I'm guessing Bourbon noticed this as well considering what he said after Okiya notified him of their presence. I'd bet money that the masked Okiya is Yusaku, considering he "really care(s) about Oscars" and already got mentioned in the beginning of the series. Bourbon said "My partner is chasing...", meaning it's only one person and probably Vermouth. The other cars are probably full of good guys like Akai, who's there to protect Jodie and Camel. I'm not sure about Conan's whereabouts, but he'll want to keep an eye on both situations.
What's interesting is the resolution, considering Jodie has figured out the fake death trick and knows Okiya is Akai. Can he and Conan cover up any longer?
celebrating pic for the final "Bourbon-Arc-character" major story development, it looks like the Okiya Subaru identity isn't gonna hold any longer no matter how it turns out!!! Let's see what akai and, especially conan has planned next. Someone who would be interested on watching the macademy awards is Yusaku, since he'd wanna know if he won the nomination...just saying.....okiya could've just turned off the TV!!
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
As for any further translations, let's put a hold on that. DCTP will soon release its full translation free of inconsistencies or wrong details. The way it is now only creates confusion and will lead people astray. DCTP always pores over the details of each file in order to avoid this kind of misinformation being spread.
In short: Be patient just a liiiittle bit longer. DCTP's full release will be out soon and will posted at the quality you expect.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them their. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.
The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.
The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.
Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.
I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?
i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.
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I doubt Vodka and Gin are outside waiting because they are a high level inside black organisation and only work in important cases. Furthermore, Bourbon is low level and he have only a hypotesis, he isn't sure. Gin and Vodka needs facts to work, above all Gin.
Those guys outside Kudo's house could be reporters or B.O. members of low low level (hitmen).
he's the detective of their organization why do you think they wont believe in him? Bourbon manage tracked down Shiho, who eluded them for many months or days i don't know how long . Now he manage to find evidence that Akai might still be alive there's no way they will slip this chance to kill him.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them their. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.
The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.
The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.
Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.
I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?
i doubt that those guys are reporter because one of them looks like Vodka. They are probably Gin and Vodka waiting outside to see if Bourbon is right.
while looking at page three again, there's even a sniper dot on Subaru's head so I'm definitely sure that they are B.O. members.
Spoiler:
I doubt Vodka and Gin are outside waiting because they are a high level inside black organisation and only work in important cases. Furthermore, Bourbon is low level and he have only a hypotesis, he isn't sure. Gin and Vodka needs facts to work, above all Gin.
Those guys outside Kudo's house could be reporters or B.O. members of low low level (hitmen).
he's the detective of their organization why do you think they wont believe in him? Bourbon manage tracked down Shiho, who eluded them for many months or days i don't know how long . Now he manage to find evidence that Akai might still be alive there's no way they will slip this chance to kill him.
I don't really think there's any trust between ANYONE in the organization. Amuro was able to track down Shiho, but I'm pretty sure he had a bit of support from Vermouth, since she's a pretty high-class member of the organization.
But going back to the idea that Vodka or Gin might be outside of the house, I don't think Amuro himself would ask help from Gin. They're not in a good relationship. And if Gin knew Akai was alive, I think he himself would want to kill Akai, and Amuro probably knows that, too. Both Amuro and Gin have a desire to kill Akai themselves.
I think we established what Conan's side will do with the whole disguise as Okiya.
But how will Amuro respond? I think he's intelligent enough to come up with a back up plan. Amuro knows that Conan knows that he interrogated Camul and probably suspects a counter plan in the upcoming confrontation. Holding hostages might not be enough so what else can Amuro do?
The easiest way to prove Akai survival is to obvious unmask him but if he's hidden this won't work. He will need some other method of confirmation to prove Akai lived. What Akai values is the lives his comrades, people in general and information. As some others said, the FBI might escape of Raiha pass, however he can hold the professor or the Mouri family hostage as a substitute. He could just say he set up a bomb and only in order to find the location he asks a question that only real Akai would be able to answer. Hence proving his existence. Of course Okiya (or disguised Yuusaku) could just feign ignorance and would threaten to call the police so obviously that wouldn't go over well
Next is information, if threats won't work he can dangle some information as bait. He could imply quite a few things that Akai would want to know like Kir's position or maybe some back story stuff. Point is since it was mentioned that Amuro is well versed at psychological manipulation, he probably going to try something along that line.
Another idea Amuro could use is invite Sera or have Vermouth disguise as her to visit to pressure Akai, and if unsuccessful with the confrontation he could leave with Sera and make some threat to force Akai out.
Bourbon said "My partner is chasing...", meaning it's only one person and probably Vermouth.
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Bourbon never specified the number of partners he’s got chasing Jodie and Camel.
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Really? The translation I read said "My partner..." so I assumed it's just Vermouth. Guess I'll just wait for the official DCTP translation.
Both Fujiwara and Alaktorn's translations said either "my partners" or "my companions", so we can't really know how many. I guess we'd have to wait for the next chapter to see who exactly his "friend(s)" are.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Those people in front of the Kudo house are definitely reporters. The banter about them and the way Amuro reacts to Okiya pointing them out and gets the *surprise* lines seals it for me that Amuro didn't invite them their. That means Conan or whoever can definitely just waltz in later if need be. They might also be the distraction someone needs if they come rushing to the door to interview the Kudos. Lastly, they act as a check against some of the nastier things Amuro might try to do to Okiya because the BO hates publicity.
The people chasing the FBI on Raiha pass I'm not sure about though. At first glance they look to be on Amuro's side; you couldn't trick Camel into thinking ordinary people are chasing them even if you could orchestrate a roadblock accident. On the other hand, Amuro doesn't seem to have any friends right now except maybe Vermouth (and that is a big maybe because Vermouth probably does not like the spot Amuro has put her in over Conan's involvement). Amuro might be able to order grunts around, or maybe Amuro dragged in some other people like the police by tricking or blackmailing them. Whatever the case, I am pretty sure this is going to end by Jodie and Camel bailing over the side of Raiha pass per my previous post.
The only point where Okiya reacts is when Conan is brought up. That to me suggests we definitely are looking at one of the Kudos here, probably Yuusaku or Yukiko. My bets are on Yuusaku based on how the Q&A is going. Okiya is keeping up very nicely but he doesn't seem to be acting vs just rolling with the situation like Trollsaku usually does.
Things don't seem good for Amuro right now in terms of how this part of the plan is going.
Unmasking Okiya at best is only going to reveal Yuusaku/Yukiko who has a legit reason for a disguise and being at the Kudo house. ("I pay Okiya to look after the house and I disguised as him to avoid the reporters, you dope.") Amuro then has the problem of finding the real Okiya, and not giving his game away in front of the pack of reporters lurking outside. (I imagine that would be a death sentence for Amuro if he does something bad to Yuusaku and the BO find out he got caught on tape)
Amuro's also going to need another ace up his sleeve besides trapping the FBI, especially if the FBI escape by jumping over the side. Neither Conan nor the real Akai have appeared yet, and we can't have a resolution without those two doing something.
I kind of wonder if this will blow up and involve more of the Org. I'm not sure how that would work; maybe Amuro will resort to informing the boss after plan failure, or Kir will be caught trying to bail, or something like that? Maybe someone (Vermouth) will accuse Amuro of being a traitor or try to kill him?
More evidence for your theory, Chek: Someone over at Baidu notes that one of the shadows may have a camera with him. http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3007098313
In a tangential note, this series seems to attract the sharp-eyed or transform people into being sharp-eyed.
"Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay." -Sherlock Holmes
Bourbon said "My partner is chasing...", meaning it's only one person and probably Vermouth.
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Bourbon never specified the number of partners he’s got chasing Jodie and Camel.
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Really? The translation I read said "My partner..." so I assumed it's just Vermouth. Guess I'll just wait for the official DCTP translation.
Spoiler: *puts on linguist hat*
The Japanese language rarely marks plurals. There is no regular plural morpheme in Japanese, just words like "a group of," or "all"... that sort of thing. Therefore, whether or not he's referring to multiple people or not is unknown.
My DC Fanfic: Awaking and Arising - Shiromi writes her version of the end of the series. With 100% more lesbians and immortal zombie boys. And existential crises. Lots of them. Kogorou - A character study that seeks to answer the question: Why is Kogorou the way he is? A Kindred Spirit - Sonoko and Makoto realize that they have more in common than previously realized. DC Fanfic Rants
As I was saying on the cbox when the spoilers hit:
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If the guys outside are not reporters/agents that are following Yuusaku (now potentially disguised as Okiya), Gosho definitely dropped the ball because that is much better than any other possibility. Basically, you can bet that it's true (as Evilbit/Chekhov/numerous cboxers also concluded).
I'm also still expecting a scene in which:
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"Okiya" is sitting in front of the TV when Yuusaku appears on the TV behind him in the background. This seems like the perfect way to reveal that Yuusaku is Okiya disguised.
Beyond that: At first, I was anticipating Real Akai to save Camel/Jodie from whatever trap Bourbon has sprung, but I'm not too sure how that'll work depending on the nature of the trap. I still contend that they are not in any mortal danger out there, no matter how it may appear. I still think that'll happen in some form. It's anyone's guess how it'll go for Amuro back at the house, where possibly Conan is still stationed. We came up with a bit of a community theory that the whole thing may be a special kind of bluff, in which Amuro has reported Jodie-Camel as criminals/having guns/FBI and the roadblock is actually the police. I'm not sure how this would play out, but definitely a possibility. My initial leaning was on random guys he had hired, but the anonymous tip is better than that--just not sure how Akai would fit into that.
And, my pet theory:
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Amuro still doesn't seem like a bad-bad guy. Even with this "threat" against Jodie-Camel, there doesn't appear to be anything that puts them in mortal danger yet, especially not directly. He's utilized too many bluffs (including going along with the reporters shenanigans) to make me think he's in any way serving out the Black Organization's deviant interests.
As for Vermouth helping out:
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I dunno about that. It's possible, of course, but in the last file, it felt pretty clearly established to me that Amuro was going to go rogue even more to prove her wrong as she had no interest in the case and felt it was done. Not sure what the point of having that part of the discussion would be if she was going to turn around and help him immediately.
Of course, Conan is in control now. The "bad guys" (Amuro, specifically) have apparently had the good guys on the ropes for a while now with all his discoveries, so the tide's about to turn I'd think. After all, Conan is staying over at Agasa's for the night, which is this series' equivalent of "Just according to keikaku."
Yuusaku and Akai have virtually identical face styles. That means Yuusaku can pull off the Okiya disguise WITHOUT a mask, most likely. He can just pop on the hair, the glasses, and the mask - voila instant Okiya! That will give Yuusaku extreme plausible deniability as far as Amuro is concerned. What's Amuro going to do, complain at Yuusaku that he's not the same Okiya as before?
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Yuusaku and Akai have virtually identical face styles. That means Yuusaku can pull off the Okiya disguise WITHOUT a mask, most likely. He can just pop on the hair, the glasses, and the mask - voila instant Okiya! That will give Yuusaku extreme plausible deniability as far as Amuro is concerned. What's Amuro going to do, complain at Yuusaku that he's not the same Okiya as before?
True, true. Interesting. But now that I think about it, Amuro's rather... obsessive when it comes to finding Akai to kill him or whatever. From such a revelation, he would probably back down for the moment at least.
"Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay." -Sherlock Holmes
celebrating pic for the final "Bourbon-Arc-character" major story development, it looks like the Okiya Subaru identity isn't gonna hold any longer no matter how it turns out!!! Let's see what akai and, especially conan has planned next. Someone who would be interested on watching the macademy awards is Yusaku, since he'd wanna know if he won the nomination...just saying.....okiya could've just turned off the TV!!
