Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Yuki_JX » April 25th, 2014, 3:38 am

After waking this morning thinking and reconsidering double disguise like others pointing out in thread, I thought of something that will resolve my first theory's fatality which is; if it is the real Jodie in disguise the possibility her suspicion on Akai's death will arise.

The theory is like this
From Mask Akai(Disguise) > To Jodie(Disguise) > To Shinichi or Sera
The ratio of Mask Akai is 1:2; Jodie has 1:2 (ratio for adult women); If Shinichi (it seem the ratio for teen men is ranging from 1:2 - 1:2.5) If Sera (ratio of Sera range from 1:1.5 ,teen female ratio, to 1.2 may because she was a tomboy ;D )
Mask Subaru reveals she was Jodie which is actually its Shinichi or Sera disguised as Jodie. The important in here is that Shinichi or Sera must not reveal his/her second disguise to Amuro or Amuro must not notice his/her second disguise.
I also considered Yukiko, but if a bloody encounter arise, she will be a dead meat for sure.

The downside to is first if they messed up there is no a Plan B(so its much more risker than the first). Second, how Shinichi will copy the voice of Jodie without the voice changing bow tie near him, which i think can be resolve by scripted lines, lip syncing, button speaker, and Subaru from distance speaking on voice changing bow tie.

Well Shinichi/Sera disguising as Jodie is still very important I think in this case, like I said it will resolves to major issues I pointing out.
Yuki_JX wrote:The two things i think that Conan must consider in planning is first; that Amuro gain an intelligence directly from FBI Agents (The fact that Kusuda Rikumichi shot himself to commit suicide) this fact links what really happened to Akai. If Conan doesn't resolve this information Amuro will continue to be suspicious, but by creating a situation that Amuro thinks that this intelligence is leaked on purpose to catch/fish BO members. Amuro will now think and consider this just a false/fake/null intelligence.

Second, is the real identity of Subaru. If Yusaku and others pose thereselves as Subaru the first thing a person with high detective abilities like Amuro think is what gain/reason/objective/ they may benefit in posing as Subaru? Possibly none I think. If Jodie or other FBI agents pose as Subaru the possibly reason Amuru will think (by adding my argument above )is they posed just to catch/fish Black Organization Members which is the one of their jobs and I think it will work since Amuro also used this similar kind of psychological tactics (when Amuro posed as Scar Akai before).


shinouray91 wrote:how many weeks did we, need to wait for the file 895 out?

Hoping they release first 895 before they release 892 and 893 :P
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Okiyakaivan » April 25th, 2014, 3:39 am

on movie 18 tell it?
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Postby Fujiwara » April 25th, 2014, 6:10 am

File 895 translation (WIP, pp. 2-4,9-16)

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File 895: Scarlet interrogation

p.2

[Side note:] Bourbon harbors suspicions about Akai’s death … and arrives at the Kudou residence, where Okiya Subaru lives!

Amuro: I’d like to talk to you …

Amuro: Do you mind if I come in?

Okiya: Not at all … if it’s just you …

Okiya: I am very sorry, but I’ll have to ask your friends that are waiting outside to remain there …

Okiya: I fear I don’t have enough tea cups …

Okiya: To serve all of them …

Amuro: Don’t worry about it … They like waiting outside …

Amuro: However … depending on your answers and actions …

p.3

Amuro: All of them might yet intrude upon your hospitality …

Camel: Th-

Camel: The Raiha pass?

Camel: We’re going to the place where Akai-san was killed?!

Jodie: Yeah … I feel like we’ll figure something out if we go there ...

Jodie (thoughts): Conan-kun’s expression when he realized that they’d found out about Kusuda shooting himself ...

Jodie (thoughts): And his flustered look during the cherry blossom viewing ...

Jodie (thoughts): There must be something ...

Jodie (thoughts): Behind it!!

p.4

Amuro: Do you like mysteries?

Okiya: I guess so …

Amuro: Then let’s start with this ...

Amuro: It’s nothing but a simple body exchange trick ...

Okiya: I see ...

Okiya: A staple ingredient of mysteries ...

Amuro: A man is shot in the head at the Raiha pass and burned together with his car ...

Amuro: And the fingerprints from that man’s right hand, that had narrowly missed being burned ...

Amuro: Matched the prints on the cell phone belonging to a certain boy, which the man had previously picked up. It was thus concluded that the person who had died was indeed that man.

[...]

p.9

Okiya: Blood from the head … ?

Amuro: But that was faked as well …

Amuro: The man who was shot was always wearing a black knitted hat …

Amuro: And it seems like there’s a professor living in this neighborhood who invents gadgets that would put even MI6 to shame …

Amuro: If asked, he could probably easily have made a device that lets the user squirt out fake blood from the hat when a blank is fired ...

Okiya: So he had told that woman he was in cahoots with to aim for his hat when she was shooting the blank?

Amuro: No ... the man who was surveilling them ordered her to aim for the head ...

Amuro: They anticipated it ... That the man who was surveilling them would definitely want a headshot as the coup de grâce ...

Amuro (thoughts): It was like that with Pisco as well ...

Okiya: That’s quite the guy you’re talking about ...

Okiya: He sounds like the protagonist of a spy novel ...

Amuro: But the person who put together this plan was someone else ...

Amuro: This is proven by the words that man spoke when he was shot …

Amuro: “Who’d have thought that it would come to this …”

Amuro: Is what he said …

p.10

Camel: B-But really …

Camel: I can’t believe it …

Camel: I mean when Akai-san touched that phone …

Camel: That was before they rescued Mizunashi Rena, right?

Camel: So Akai-san already assumed that they would order her to kill him back then?!

Jodie: Indeed …

Jodie: In Shuu’s case that’s possible …

Flashback Conan: You can use my phone for a while, if you’d like!

Flashback Jodie: Conan lent this to me a little while ago …

Jodie (thoughts): No …

Jodie (thoughts): It wasn’t Shuu …

Flashback Conan: Ah, Jodie-sensei …

Flashback Conan: Good luck!

Jodie (thoughts): That …

Jodie (thoughts): Could it be?

p.11

Camel: I’m going to speed up a bit …

Jodie: Eh?

Camel: There are some strange cars …

Camel: Gaining on us from behind us …

Okiya: “Who’d have thought that it would come to this”

Okiya: You say?

Okiya: It sounds to me like that man was lamenting his own bad luck …

Amuro: Yes … if you take it at face value, that is …

Amuro: But if you add a few more words that were left unsaid …

Amuro: The meaning changes drastically …

p.12

Amuro: Who besides him …

Amuro: Would have thought that it would come to this …

Amuro: That’s right … They were actually words of admiration …

Amuro: For the boy who had come up with this plan …

Okiya: I see …

Okiya: Fascinating …

p.13

Camel: A-And then?!

Camel: What did Akai-san do afterwards?!

Jodie: N-no idea …

Camel: Is there no one you can think of?

Camel: Who talks like Akai-san, for example?

Jodie: Talks like him?

Camel: For example, there’s this phrase he liked to use …

Camel: “It was fifty-fifty so we’re both to blame,” or something like that …

Flashback Okiya: I’m sorry …

Flashback Okiya: Are you okay?

Flashback Okiya: Although we’re both to blame, fifty-fifty, …

Flashback Okiya: Since you neglected to pay attention to the environment …

Jodie: Ah!!

p.14

Amuro: After that it was rather easy …

Amuro: I only had to look for a suspicious person …

Amuro: That had suddenly appeared around that boy after the incident at the Raiha pass …

Amuro: And that’s how I arrived here …

Okiya: ……………..

Amuro: I still don’t know how that boy is connected to the owner of this house …

Amuro: Kudou Yuusaku …

Amuro: But what I do know is that you are able to live here thanks to that boy …

Jodie: It was him!!

p.15

Camel: Eh?

Jodie: I told you before, didn’t I?!

Jodie: About the guy with the glasses that I ran into in the Beika department store!

Camel: Sh--!!

SFX: *clack*

Amuro: I’m waiting for a call.

Amuro: At the moment my companions should be in the middle of cornering your friends. I think with your friends’ lives on the line, even you will answer truthfully …

Amuro: But if possible I’d like you to take off that mask before I get the call … Okiya Subaru-san …

Amuro: Or rather …

p.16

Amuro: FBI Agent …

Amuro: Akai Shuuichi!!

[Note:] Next issue: ‘Scarlet Return’

[Continued in SS #24]
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Okiyakaivan » April 25th, 2014, 6:13 am

okay?
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Postby ALAKTORN » April 25th, 2014, 6:37 am

Fujiwara, I made my own translation on DCW:

Images here: http://www.beika-street.net/index.php?t ... #msg113230

Spoiler:
new line: new bubble
A: “I’d like to talk for a little…”
A: “May I come inside?”
O: “Yes… As long as it’s only you…”
O: “I’m sorry, but I’d like your companions waiting outside to restrain themselves…”
O: “Since the number of tea cups I have…” tn: “I have” is my interpretation, literally it’s more like “that I’ll bring out”, but that sounds weird
O: “Doesn’t seem to be enough…”
A: “Please don’t mind them… They’re used to waiting outside…” tn: literally “like to” rather than “used to” but the latter sounds better
A: “But… Depending on your replies or actions…”
new page, not the next one
O: “Blood from the head…?”
A: “But, that too is a fake…”
A: “Because the shot man always wore a black knitted hat…”
A: “In this neighbor there seems to be a professor who made an invention that put to shame even the MI6…” tn: in Japanese, it’s phrased in such a way that Amuro is telling Okiya “you know that, right?” but I didn’t know how to reflect that in the English for a quick translation
A: tired of having to phrase it, he basically says “If you were to ask that professor, making a blank-shooting gun and some fake blood thingies to put under the black knitted hat would be easy…”
O: “So he asked that woman accomplice to point the blank-shooting gun to his head and shoot, is that it?
A: “No… the one to order to shoot him in the head was a man that was observing…” tn: sorry for weird phrasing
A: “They were expecting it… that the man observing would order for a killing blow…”
A: *thinking* “It seems like with Pisco it was the same, after all…”
O: “That man is quite good…”
O: “As if the protagonist of a spy novel…”
A: “But the one who thought of this plan was a different person…”
A: “As proof of that, that man, the moment he was shot, he muttered this…”
A: man, I would need to look up the Eng translation for the correct quote. You can go check that yourself.
A: “He said so…”
new page
C: “But,”
C: “I can’t believe it…”
C: “I mean, Akai touched that cellphone…”
C: “Before Mizunashi Rena was rescued, right?”
C: “They were expecting the order to kill Akai from back then!?” tn: basically saying they planned ahead unbeliavably well
J: “Yes…”
J: “For Shū, that much is…”
Conan: “Then I’ll lend you my cellphone for a while!”
Jodie flashback still: “I just got it from Conan, and now I’m holding onto it…”
J: “No…”
J: “It’s not Shū…”
Conan flashback, blabla
J: “Could this be…”
J: “Impossible…”
wow, it’s revealed that the whole thing was Conan’s plan and not Akai’s? What? This is weird.
C: “Eh?”
J: “I told you about it before, didn’t I?”
J: “That I ran into a weird glass-wearing man in the Beika Department Store…”
A: “Now it’s waiting for contact…”
A: “Currently, my partners are pursuing your friends in order to capture them…” “If it’s for life and death of your friends…” “I think that you will become sincere…”
A: “But if possible, I’d like you to remove that mask before we get contacted…” “Okiya Subaru-san…”
A: “No…”
A: “FBI investigator…”
A: “Akai Shūichi!”


I thought I’d tell you so we don’t end up doing the same work. You can give corrections if you see any. I know I tried to be as quick as possible so quality wasn’t my foremost priority, so maybe you want to add something.

Edit: I’m not saying anyone should use my translation for the English manga release, just that you don’t need to hurry and translate it quickly if you think mine is good enough for spoiler discussion outside of releases.
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Postby Jecka » April 25th, 2014, 6:38 am

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Postby Okiyakaivan » April 25th, 2014, 6:42 am

why 895 still not yet tell who it is, 896 we will know more of the info? haiyo
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Postby k11chi » April 25th, 2014, 6:45 am

Just more proof of Conan>Shuiichi as far as intelligence goes but I wonder if this will turn into a fistfight... Subaru is supposed to be 3 times stronger than an average human and we've seen what Amuro can do.
Unless it's Yusaku. Conan has something planned...
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Postby ALAKTORN » April 25th, 2014, 6:47 am

k11chi wrote:we've seen what Amuro can do.

Based on a Aoyama interview, Amuro does boxing. I’m not sure if we’ve seen that in the manga though…
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Postby k11chi » April 25th, 2014, 6:50 am

ALAKTORN wrote:
k11chi wrote:we've seen what Amuro can do.

Based on a Aoyama interview, Amuro does boxing. I’m not sure if we’ve seen that in the manga though…

I'm a casual boxer too but this isn't Hajime no Ippo or anything so I'm not going to assume Gosho is going to bother to figure out what you have to do in order to know how to punch a real punch. Amuro one-shot one person despite having an injury in his arm from the past and he's in very good shape.
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Postby Jd- » April 25th, 2014, 6:59 am

From the first few pages of the file we have on hand,
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it looks like Amuro has still not revealed any information to the Black Organization leadership about this situation, which I think is indicative of him looking out for himself/his true allegiance(?) first and the Organization somewhere lower on the ladder. As for his friends outside, they could be a complete misdirect (hired PI friends, police allies, cardboard cutouts, anything), but them being completely informed Black Organization members seems really unlikely to me (as in, people who have been informed "Akai Shuuichi is in this house").

What will be a bit facepalmy is if "Okiya" here really is disguised, and he's just accused this "Okiya" of being Akai Shuuichi outright. That'd be another instance of being wrong about this masquerade (though he does apparently want to confirm the identity), so I would hope not for his sake. The glasses being different does suggest (as Jay reiterated on the cbox earlier) that it could involve a pinhole camera so Conan/Akai can watch from afar and interact.

Whatever plays out here with Jodie and Camel, I imagine Real Akai is going to appear in some form out there to save the day (though I would be genuinely surprised if they were ever in any real mortal danger; I think Amuro feels that creating the illusion they are in danger is enough for him to have Akai reveal the truth but never intended to actually hurt them). It's a little surprising that after all these years in this arc, it's all being revealed over the course of just a couple of files. Conan's already played the "staying over at Agasa's house" card for this case, so that inevitably means he's got some big plan to see through.
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Postby Kor » April 25th, 2014, 8:34 am

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Are Jodie and Camel really in danger, though? Camel is driving, so they might be able to get out of this situation regardless, or at least buy some time until someone comes to help them.

If the next file's chapter is Scarlet Returns, so... that makes me hopeful.


Wait! The current file is a double issue, so doesn't that mean the next file is in two weeks?
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Postby User 4869 » April 25th, 2014, 8:42 am

Next week is the golden week. No file.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

Postby Fujiwara » April 25th, 2014, 9:26 am

ALAKTORN wrote:Fujiwara, I made my own translation on DCW:

[...]

I thought I’d tell you so we don’t end up doing the same work. You can give corrections if you see any. I know I tried to be as quick as possible so quality wasn’t my foremost priority, so maybe you want to add something.

Edit: I’m not saying anyone should use my translation for the English manga release, just that you don’t need to hurry and translate it quickly if you think mine is good enough for spoiler discussion outside of releases.

お疲れ様でした~

I posted mine anyway - I hope you don't feel like I'm stepping on your toes or anything, but it covers some of the details you left out and I was going to translate it all anyway for the release. It was nice that I didn't have to hurry though. ^_^
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Postby Okiyakaivan » April 25th, 2014, 9:28 am

User 4869 wrote:Next week is the golden week. No file.


so need to wait may to out then?
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