Hello. i would like to start this with my feedback to this round's GameMaster. i thought she was fun!
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:Jd- wrote:In other words... It's like Day One never happened! (This game gets stranger and stranger the more we play it.)
This time, I can only imagine the Spy team was just inactive and lost track of time. Would be great to hear from Kain/Jellitto, Kamite/Breva, and Robo/Meme. From what I can recall off-hand, Kain/Jellitto haven't posted much (or at all?). Understandably, they may not have had much to say yet, but it is a little suspicious that the inaction comes on a day with no kill from the Spy team. There's no tactical advantage to not killing as the Spy team right now, simply because they already knew there would be no arrest today.
Don't forget team 3

Yuri Iwamoto wrote:Togop wrote:Yuri, should the GM really point out things like that?
* Yuri presses a finger against Togop's lips *
shhhh :V
maintaining peace and order . .
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:Now now, y'all be nice there...
and, maintaining order . .
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:Hey, quit the math talk! No maths will be allowed in my round from this point on.
meh... my head is spinning already. (gee, I'm doing a language study for a reason

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and order . .
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:
<- this sign will be placed on this topic from now on.
and order!!
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:Kleene Onigiri wrote:B- but but but.... how do you wanna calculate all the votes then? D:
I don't need to, I just make lists. (plus I do that outside the topic itself

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and fun!!
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:*hides her amusement*
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:shinichi'sapprentice wrote:but, in the end, they voted for Team 7. it could only be an honest mess up, or the detectives thought they'll die anyway so as last clue for us, they voted them again.
Just saying quickly that due to a pm error I never got their change in vote just to clear up that mistake.
Otherwise, keep on messing! ←haha!
* Yuri runs off into the sunset *
Yuri Iwamoto did a great job in GameMaster-ing. she's the very first gamemaster i didn't send questions at all. hehe. although, she was killing me of suspense because i think i killed the refresh key on Day 1 and 2 . . ?for about 30 mins. because of waiting for the results! haha. i have nothing against her GM-ing.
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on to miyano_shiho's "game-breaking post"
i mentioned i had the same problem in Round 2. the following, are my exact conversation with Round 2 gamemaster back then. . .
but wait, i think i should post what i posted in Round 2 first, and the reactions i got after posting it. be reminded that this is my list in Round 2:
1. Raiden
2. Togop
3. Fujiwara
4. Yuri Iwamoto
5. monsi
6. breva
7. Meme
it was Day 6 back then, when i posted it. and Meme was the only one crossed out of my list(she was arrested). on Day 4, Jd- nominated miyano_shiho.
Jd- wrote:Quadruple Post!
I'm voting for Miyano_Shiho this phase.
I can't say exactly why it is that I would vote for Miyano. But, I am announcing my vote ahead of time and if someone would like to join me, that is fine too. It's based on speculation from information and activity from within the game, so take that as what you will. It's nothing definite by any stretch of the imagination, but to give us a little direction, I'll put my vote out there to be debated/contested/etc.
ADDENDUM: I'm inclined to say that Fujiwara is probably not the Spy nor the Informant. After thinking about that post and the mention of the amount of people on the list from Togop, it seems likely to me that they are both civilians. Togop more so because he was already cleared from before and has numerous things going in his favor at this point, beginning with the earliest results and discussions.
that's why i said:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:
blah.blah.blah
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on Jd- voting miyano_shiho, it just proved that he is 100% not the detective.
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blah.blah.blah
and the reactions i got were:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
@shinichi'sapprentice:
I doubt the spy would go for Jd after you said Jd's 100% not the detective... :x
Although I find your reasoning on why Jd isn't the detective strange... or nonexistant XD
Fujiwara wrote:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:
on Jd- voting miyano_shiho, it just proved that he is 100% not the detective.
I don't get your reasoning here at all, but more importantly, if you think that someone is not the detective, why would you go out of your way to point that out to the spy? This is not the first time you've done so either ...
at the end of the game, i posted this:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:oh, and about the Jd- voting for miyano_shiho, i mentioned that he wasn't the detective because he and miyano are both not in my list. if Jd- really is the detective and he investigated miyano and received a result that she was the spy, then what's up with my list?! so it's gotta be the opposite. i trusted miyano's reason for inactivity. proof is her backing out of the most recent mafia round. ~.~ i've been shooting Stopwatch questions left and right because i wanted to make sure i don't break any rules. lots of people were saying that Jd- could be the informant so i said it differently by saying he's no detective. and by settling in with the reasoning that he's not the detective, i confronted the spy by offering to kill Jd-. i was trying to catch the spy's attention so he won't go for the detective. but that was proven useless because it became the opposite. Raiden was aiming for Fujiwara already. and Fujiwara was the one that became suspicious of me.
and finally, this is my entire conversation with Round 2 GameMaster Stopwatch:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:is it ok to say in my post that I finally have someone in my list that was arrested?
Stopwatch wrote:Probably not, sorry :/. Just, despite that person now being out of the game, you're still essentially claiming they're on your list so...
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:how about saying that someone is not in my list?
for example:
"blah blah blah. because Jd- is not in my list. blah blah blah"
Stopwatch wrote:shinichi'sapprentice wrote:how about saying that someone is not in my list?
for example:
"blah blah blah. because Jd- is not in my list. blah blah blah"
Sorry, but also no. Process of elimination could essentially mean you could say everyone not on your list and people could figure it out :/.
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:glad you replied! i almost want to include it in my post already that i am still typing now.
question about that answer o/...
but Jd- is really not in my list. it's not my intention to begin with to say in my post that someone is not in my list but they actually are. the people that i want to say that are not in my list are Jd- and miyano_shiho. which really are NOT in my list. i ask this because it will be solid proof for my soon to be posted post. if you are still online by the time i finish typing my post. i'd like to show it to you before i finally post it so you can review it if you think i violated some rules. thank you...
Stopwatch wrote:shinichi'sapprentice wrote:glad you replied! i almost want to include it in my post already that i am still typing now.
question about that answer o/...
but Jd- is really not in my list. it's not my intention to begin with to say in my post that someone is not in my list but they actually are. the people that i want to say that are not in my list are Jd- and miyano_shiho. which really are NOT in my list. i ask this because it will be solid proof for my soon to be posted post. if you are still online by the time i finish typing my post. i'd like to show it to you before i finally post it so you can review it if you think i violated some rules. thank you...
The thing is if you're claiming someone isn't in the list then it narrows down who *is* on your list. Honestly I'd prefer it if anyone could claim just so we could get fake claims as well, but that would be a bit unfair on the Spy because all the Civilians would have to do would be to real claim and do a tally to uncover the Spy/Detective. So, yeah, that would actually be a bad idea.
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:hmm... but if you don't mind, i'll still show my post to you before i post it. and if you are offline already by that time, i'll do the necessary edits and not include it in my post.
and oh. sorry. i just read your post in the main espionage round 2 topic.
edited my subject message now! -.-
so, what's the point of all this flashback??! well, i think miyano_shiho and i had the same experience of having a hard time on how we can share information that we thought might be able to help everyone.
FIRSTLY, I'D LIKE YOU TO ALL KNOW, THAT I THINK I SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR miyano_shiho's said "game-breaking" post.
i have repeated five times in the topic, five times!! that teams that don't have Team 9 on their list means the spy team is in their list!!!
now, let's lay down all the facts here. thanks again to everyone sharing their lists earlier, i got this:
out of the 8 teams, only three teams have the detectives on their lists. meaning, 5 teams have the spies on their lists!!!!! namely:
-Team5
-Team2
-Team11
-Team1
-and Team 8!!!
-Team2 and
-Team1 have long been dead before the detectives were arrested.
now, let's go back to miyano_shiho's
REAL first post:
miyano_shiho wrote:
I am posting now since we've got some information that the remaining civilian teams may need. I haven't read everything in the thread thoroughly so I couldn't make deductions based on behavior, but here's the best I could give. If you don't want us civilians to lose, you better take note of these.
Teams being suspected in the thread that are certainly NOT THE SPIES:
Team 8: Jecka and miyano_shiho (just so you remember not to vote us)
Team 5: RoboG55 and Meme
Team 3: shinichi'sapprentice and googleearth
Team 11: Kleene Onigiri and Miaka
MOST PROBABLY SPIES:
Team 7: Kamite and Breva (the team we're voting for this phase)
Mathematically speaking, I can say that there is at least 25% chance that team 7 are the spies. Based on Jd-'s and dumytru's lists of suspects, by elimination, it is very highly likely they are indeed the spies. If they aren't, my next choice would be Team 6: Conan-chandesune and Togop.
If anyone has reasons not to vote team 7, please tell us immediately. I apologize for not having time to post earlier.
Edit: Also, if you think I'm violating any rule by posting this, please tell as well (though I'm gonna be sleeping soon and won't have time to go on at least 12 hours from now)
now, compare that to this:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:
blah.blah.blah
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on Jd- voting miyano_shiho, it just proved that he is 100% not the detective.
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blah.blah.blah
clearly, at least what i think, both me and miyano were trying so hard to share useful information here, hoping it was vague enough to appear not to be violating any rules.
this very post, yes. does it really appear that game-violating??! she did not reveal anything in her list!!! her actual list was:
1. Team 6
2. Team 1
3. Team 4
4. Tean 7
5. Team 10
the teams she said that are certainly not spies are:
-Team 8
-Team 5
-Team 3
-Team 11
she did not even say the word "list" in this very first post. the reason that led her to saying the word "list" is because of this:
shinichi'sapprentice wrote:finally, a person who nominated another team.
~.~
but my vote still won't be changed. not strong enough statement you got there. although, this will be the fifth time i say it,
TO ALL CIVILIANS THAT DO NOT HAVE Team 9: KainTheVampire and Jellitto ON THEIR LISTS, ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE SPY IS IN YOUR LISTS!!!!!!!
say something more to back it up. i will not point out what i want to hear. if you're the spy, all the more reason not to point it out. take the time to think about it.
--Edit: Fujiwara!! i know. . i know. that's why it's been annoying. but the civilians gotta be creative on how they reveal information. i want to give example from what i asked round 2's gamemaster Stopwatch, but i'll have to wait when the game ends.
if only i immediately directed to Meme the second paragraph of this post, was for her, i shouldn't have confused miyano to replying and saying anything more?
my objective in repeatedly telling people this: TO ALL CIVILIANS THAT DO NOT HAVE Team 9: KainTheVampire and Jellitto ON THEIR LISTS, ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE SPY IS IN YOUR LISTS!!!!!!! was to have the remaining civilians take the time to bother staring at their list and use their little gray cells to deduct who's spy in their list! maybe if miyano has worded her post properly, we wouldn't have this dilemma.
and just to let you know people. my posts were not relying on miyano's post. i had my own evidences and if only i was able to post that earlier and faster, maybe we would have had a shot at this. i also asked of her to go online on Day 5. in the end, i just went with what her partner said. i was really hoping for her to be online and share her thoughts comparing mine and Togop's posts since we have two different suspected spies. and wait, if she'll stay with her stand about Team 7.
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the 4 civilians i trust that were civilians at the last two phase
-Team 3, of course
-Team 8, because of her first post!
-Team 6
-Team 11
Team 6 and 11, they have also given time to post their deductions!!!
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i'll share first what has happened the entire round. i'm gonna copy Jd- and Jellitto's format!
Prep Phase
didn't talk much. did i? Civilian yet again! I like that the number of my team is 3!! was waiting for partner to suggest a team name but who cares?! Team 3 is awesome! i actually want to have copyrights to own Team # 3 in future rounds! haha!
don't really care about prep phase. as i was so eager to start Day 1 already, and point suspicious posts that may be signal to the spies. but thanks to Fujiwara and his probabilities, everybody got serious! i commend his efforts to lay down a new strategy for catching the spies. but hah! i was right! the spies ended up using that against you guys. now, you wouldn't use that plan ever again, will ya?
also, prep phase. get this time to familiarize with your partner's timezone! it's been hard on our team since we weren't able to discuss things in detail. i'm at work when he's available. he was busy when i was free.
Day 1
tie voting was happening. i suggested voting Team 6. i am very thankful that partner stopped me and said that he'll post in the topic that we'll vote for ourselves. at this time, i realized that self voting can be used as strategy as well! i was so against this new rule in the previous round, but then saw it's usefulness. i still didn't want to self vote, but i trusted my partner and at least got some info maybe?
Day 2
i suggested voting Team 9. what else happened that day? oh, Togop's suspicions on Jd- stopping the nominations. didn't really understand it that day.
Day 3
two self voters.
why?!
both teams are not in our list. so if it's one of the two that are the spies, then the detectives were in our list! partner said it might be Team 1, but said he'll wait what happens the rest of the phase.
messaged me again and said:
googleearth wrote:I think we should go with this proposed alliance, though. Doesn't really matter if we agree with whoever's nominated. I'd say let's go with it regardless. Let's just not try to be the team that leads the alliance, so I'd rather have none of us proposing nominations there.
Do you understand what I mean?
he sent that while i was still asleep i think. i've read it maybe 3 - 4 hours later. only less than an hour left before day 3 ends/day 4 begins. i sent the vote: Team 9, he still hasn't replied.
Day 4
detectives arrested! the very first team crossed out of our list! everybody is still a suspect! but this is when i started having team 5 and 7 the primary suspects. partner suggests team 5. voted.
Day 5
last phase. i mostly said in my last two long posts in day 4 and 5 all i wanted to say. add to that my replies to Jellitto's report. i just want to move on to the next part. . .
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The 3-hour-short Round 3 Day 5.
when i saw the GameMaster's post saying day will end early, i thought everybody had already sent in their votes. but then Togop was still saying something!!!! breva said something, too. but GameMaster told me this:
Yuri Iwamoto wrote:shinichi'sapprentice wrote:ahH??!!!!! you said that Kamite was busy???!!!!! ahhhHHH!!!! possible explanation for the day 1 no kill people!!
are you for real?
just what was happening??! i was already at work, when a whole new page of posts were already posted!!! i was scanning the game topic on such a small device looking for who the spies were!!! and then i read something about Jd- asking the game to end early?!! why?!!!!! what?! him having quickly posted all those replies right after the game ended made me feel like, what?! it was already planned to end the game early?!! checking back, i was able to post
my very last long post in Day 5, exactly less than 12 hours to go before the game ends! and now, checking back again, it was only dumytru that was online back then!! *scrolling* there's
a post from my partner still pleading people to talk some more and share their own deductions!!
and, oh! i just realized, Togop actually wasn't able to read my last long post then!! there was so many last minute post, i was going crazy replying to everything!
ok, this is so long now, it's not interesting at all anymore.
sorry to disappoint you that the last part of this post was a mess. i have been online, all night long! no sleep at all.
i will post my post-game conversation with Togop right after this if i still can.
if there is something to blame here, it was the time.
this, has been an exhausting round.
oh, oh. my mistakes by the way:
-when the detectives died, i was so frustrated! i have believed till the end that it was Team 7 that are spies. but the detective's arrest was one of the reasons that i can't think straight. yes, i've been posting like crazy that we should vote Team 7. i wanted to post something so long with so many details that Jd- can't say anything more, but it was already late at night when i finished my last post . it was disappointing that it was too late when Togop got the chance to read my post. i thought the reason for the early end was that everybody voted already. the game has ended early. my partner didn't actually give me reasons on why we should vote Cider's team. my partner was busy as well. he was the one to send the vote, i told him i'll change it depends on what the rest says. it was only dumytru who i was talking to at that time. by the time breva and Togop posted, it was already too late. even Jecka had had a hard time posting last minute rushed post. i'm not even sure myself what deserve who. believe it or not, in my conversation with Togop, both agreed that our reasonings are not tainted by the said "game-breaking" post. i'm sleepy