ESPIONAGE: Round One (Spy arrested, Civilians win)

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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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I nominate Raiden because umm... I apparently have reasons to.
Also I said my sorries in advance Kamite :V but still sorry D:

Let's see how well we can defend ourselves V:
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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Okay so if I have to nominate someone randomly, I guess it would be... shinichi'sapprentice.
Also, I think the idea of having everyone nominate a person can actually be helpful.

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Commi-Ninja wrote:The problem with "voting with information" is that we have none. Except MAYBE the detective has something, but he/she can't tell us directly either way. And it's not like the spy could or would confess, either.
I've covered this already, but I think people may just be skimming past my posts or something. If you don't understand, can you please just say so I can clarify :/.

Let's go for Nix as my nominee.
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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Commi-Ninja wrote:I nominate PT because... she's my sister and I can? I really have no other reason. Haha.
Your logic is astounding. :V (OMG How did you know I'm the Spy!?!?!?!?!?!) (That was a joke, guys. Don't arrest me.)

In that case, I nominate Commi. Because ninjas are always evil.
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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Okay my defence is... I'm a civilian. I received a list and used it to vote day 1. I voted kamite because along with being inactive, I think everyone else had agreed and posted to say they'll random vote with their list except for him so I guess we had no way to know if his vote was random or not. At least that's what I based my vote on.
And umm... that's really all I can say in defence

Edit: sorry let me clarify, I meant everyone agreed to random vote on day 1 except for kamite :x
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Nix wrote:Okay my defence is... I'm a civilian. I received a list and used it to vote day 1. I voted kamite because along with being inactive, I think everyone else had agreed and posted to say they'll random vote with their list except for him so I guess we had no way to know if his vote was random or not. At least that's what I based my vote on.
And umm... that's really all I can say in defence :x
How much attention have you been paying to the thread? :V
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miyano_shiho wrote:Okay so if I have to nominate someone randomly, I guess it would be... shinichi'sapprentice..
He was really trying to figure out a strategy in Day 1 (but it wouldn't work because the lists were random)
I don't think the Spy would bother to do all that. Even more so if he's a begginer.(is he?)
As for Conan-chandesune. His reasoning that I'm the Spy is pretty good. *link to reasoning*
And yet he nominated someone else (Aly_angelflight). If he was the Spy, he would've tried to blame me a long time ago. ;D
Also Miyano_shiho is probably not the Spy. (more or less the reason why I think Conan-chandesune is not the Spy)
No idea who's the Spy, so I'd probably have to go for a random choice, but--
Maybe I'll nominate PhoenixTears, since she was cleared any suspicion based on her reasoning.

I sure like to repeat the word Spy.
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So we have a lot of nominees this phase \o/
So far it's:

Nominee - by Player
Raifuu: Jd
Aly: Conan-chandesune
Meme: Raifuu
PT: Commi, dumytru
Raiden: Nix
Shinichi'sapprentice: Miyano
Nix: Stoppy
Commi: PT

This all looks good, who should I nominate now? D: PT already got 2 votes :V She was my voting buddy on Phase 1 and voted the one that was killed. I'd still like to hear her defense, but I'll nominate Meme!
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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To be put it quite bluntly, if I hadn't brought up the thing about those of us voting Yuri probably not being the Spy, someone else would have. So nominating me because I'm the one that pointed it out is a bit silly. I just happened to be one of the first people to comment after results were posted. :V But hey, vote me if you want. It's a waste of everyone's time (well, except for the Spy, since it would help narrow things down for that person), but whatever floats your boat.

I'm not going to defend myself against you guys when I feel like I already have. *shrugs* Especially considering half the reason I even have nominations right now is "she's my sister, so whatever." :P
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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Foremost, I think Tears and Kleene are probably in the clear. It is possible that they used the strategy "I'll vote for the person I kill to seem unassuming". Both of them are experienced Mafia players and know the ropes, but I genuinely don't think that idea occurred to anyone until after it happened and Tears pointed it out. If either of them did use that strategy, that was a hall-of-fame sort of move that will be remembered for a long time. Additionally, it would be really impressive on Kleene's part considering she wasn't even the one to point it out. So, for my own opinion right now, I would say that they are both clean. If you have either one on your list, I would prioritize them at the bottom (unless they're the Detective, in which case...).

I think one thing we may be overlooking is the choice of victim. The first one was Yuri and the second was Slider. I debated mentioning this because I wanted to see how the third day would go, but... We basically have to consider one of two options: The Spy is a veteran Mafia player or the Spy is relatively new. Sounds obvious, but go with me on this a bit. Veteran Mafia players don't usually kill other veterans on the first day, not usually. This is a different game, of course, but we all bring our past sensibilities into this as well. So, it'll be up to us to determine if we think the Spy chose those victims as random because they don't know the unspoken "no vets" practice or they just chose random people because they are playing this new game fresh.

Both possibilities, at this point, are unfortunately equally likely though I do think it could potentially serve useful later on. I expect the Spy will read this and now change their MO, but what's done is done.

Any input from anyone on this subject?
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I also thought the choice of murder could give us a lead.
But as a veteran, you'd also try to avoid killing people that are very new (like slider). So for me it looked like the spy could be someone that goes with randomness? Or less likely to be veteran and rather a new player. That's just my view tho and I could be wrong.

I also don't think that the spy would kill someone he already voted for? I dunno about that, but since we are looking for any possible leads or clues that we could find, he'd try to avoid going for someone "twice"?
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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*cheers for the detective*
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Jd- wrote:Any input from anyone on this subject?
Vets are more of a threat though IMO. Given there's no way to stop the kills I would almost certainly go for who I thought would be most likely to read me as the Spy or to unite Town later on. I realise I'm generalising newbies a lot here, but experience counts for a lot in the first few games and I think a bigger advantage would be taken from killing a vet.

Besides, newbies are easier to sway in terms of votes (even if that's a lot harder without the use of PMs) and killing off players so early on their first game is slightly cruel imo. If someone has a bad first experience they may get put off or frustrated by the game overall and just... no, okay?

I'm not sure where you got the "vets don't kill vets D1" from though o.O. I have to say I hadn't noticed that at all. Have I been ignoring this unspoken rule for this long? :x

And I don't like all my suggestions being ignored. *goes off to sulk*

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Kleene Onigiri wrote:I also thought the choice of murder could give us a lead.
But as a veteran, you'd also try to avoid killing people that are very new (like slider). So for me it looked like the spy could be someone that goes with randomness? Or less likely to be veteran and rather a new player. That's just my view tho and I could be wrong.
I was thinking the same about Slider, yeppers. It's a two-fold problem that leans in one way but not definitively.
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Jd- wrote:Any input from anyone on this subject?
Vets are more of a threat though IMO. Given there's no way to stop the kills I would almost certainly go for who I thought would be most likely to read me as the Spy or to unite Town later on. I realise I'm generalising newbies a lot here, but experience counts for a lot in the first few games and I think a bigger advantage would be taken from killing a vet.

Besides, newbies are easier to sway in terms of votes (even if that's a lot harder without the use of PMs) and killing off players so early on their first game is slightly cruel imo. If someone has a bad first experience they may get put off or frustrated by the game overall and just... no, okay?

I'm not sure where you got the "vets don't kill vets D1" from though o.O. I have to say I hadn't noticed that at all. Have I been ignoring this unspoken rule for this long? :x

And I don't like all my suggestions being ignored. *goes off to sulk*
Vets are definitely more of a threat, but killing vets earlier isn't typical for a few reasons. First reason is, of course, they can get back at you in future games when it feels like it's "gloves off". It's not a definitive thing as I said, but it does play into the metagame a little. Since we're trying to get into the head of the Spy, we have to consider all possibilities and weigh our options the best we can. Due to the kills not being stoppable, that's also something to factor in since they know anyone they resign to death is going to die lest they get voted out first.

Also, Yuri's actually like... dead... Dead-dead, that sort of dead, not just arrested. WE SHALL AVENGE YOU YURI, NEVER FEAR!
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Re: ESPIONAGE: Round One (Day 3: 2 dead, 2 arrested)

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Well... I personally believe that Raiden isn't the spy, since not only did he vote for Slider D1, but Slider voted for him, too. In these circumstances, it would be a horrible idea for him to kill slider, because he would instantly become the prime suspect. As such, it wouldn't be in his best interests to kill Slider if he were the spy, and I'm certain he's smart enough to realize that. :P

As for Conan-chandesune's accusations on me, they're ridiculous, because if that's what I was fearing, I would've done the sure-fire thing of executing you or Jd-, especially considering that it was rather obvious Kamite was the one who was going to be arrested yesterday. Heck, for that matter, Jd- would've died already if I was the spy. :P
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