Who is the person you most respect in real life??

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a good reanactment of Caeser
thats why i count him as one of the good guys

after the battle of Battle of Pharsalus
he let all of the senators live no matter
who they  where or what they have done to him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEdME1NtBg&feature=related
1:17 this is brutus
Callid wrote: Gandhi, definitely.
Nobel and most Peace Nobel Prize Laureates also qualify.

As for statesman, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and (if you count him as one person :x) Emperor Meiji. Oh, and Frederic the Great. Bismarck only as far as foreign politics are concerned, he should have stayed out of domestics.

As for scientists, engineers and inventors, besides the common ones (Newton, Einstein, etc.), Charles Babbage and Alan Turing.

Emperor Meiji has my respect to
he is the Japanese version of Caeser
he have done many things to help the people of japan
without his modernization of japan they will be now a 3rd world country like vietnam or india


but Bismarck totally not
he united german staates with military power
and beat down the social insurance of the people and replaced it with a
goverment insurance which is still today extremely unfair designed
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svon1 wrote: but Bismarck totally not
he united german staates with military power
and beat down the social insurance of the people and replaced it
goverment insurance which is still today extremely unfair designed
He did unite Germany more-or-less by military force (but note that out of the three wars that were fought, he started one, the second - Austria started the first, France the third). However, the effect of this was to stabilize the entire European diplomatic system, and after those three wars - which all took place in just 5 years of time - he used all his capabilities and power (which he only had because he united Germany) to ensure peace in Europe. He managed to do that for all the 20 years he remained in office, even though there was a huge number of conflicts between all the states, and even after he was gone, and Wilhelm II. started destroying everything he had build, his system proved so stable it still took 25 years until World War I.
Basically, though three minor wars and an insane amount of diplomacy, Bismarck managed to delay World War I by 20-30 years, and had he stayed in office (and be able to choose a worthy successor), it'd likely have been 50 or more. In fact, even without that, there hasn't been a longer continuous peace between all major powers ever since (if we manage to reach 2035 without a war like that, we'll have caught up).

I also think it's funny how you pick up the one thing he got right in domestic politics to criticize him. As I already said, I don't think he should have meddled with domestic politics to begin with, but the insurance system is actually the exception here.
First, you're wrong about him replacing an insurance system. There wasn't any. And not only in Germany. I fact, the entire idea of insurances like we know them was invented by him. His motivation wasn't exactly praiseworthy (he wanted to attract supporters from the Social Democrats by relieving the working class of the problems that drew them to them - as I said, he shouldn't have gotten involved in domestics), but it was a revolutionary system, and is now the very base of all insurance system in the world, including, for example, the much-lauded Scandinavian ones. And no, it wasn't unfair - and still isn't today, if you wan an unfair system, take the American - as it distributed the load very clearly to whoever was responsible for it. Health costs were shared by employer and employee, while, for example, accident insurance (accidents at work, that is) needed to be paid by the employer alone (causing them to improve working place security). In fact, until World War I, Germany was leading worldwide in social insurances, and was generally considered to have the best, fairest and largest system of them all (the high debt and especially the reparations and the inflation they caused kinda killed the system).
So, he didn't replace an old, better system with a new one; he created the first system of that kind ever, which turned out to be the best one around for half a century, and is nowadays copied all over the world. As I said, the one thing he got right in domestics.
It is kinda embarrassing how episodic your history knowledge is.
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Callid wrote:
svon1 wrote: but Bismarck totally not
he united german staates with military power
and beat down the social insurance of the people and replaced it
goverment insurance which is still today extremely unfair designed
He did unite Germany more-or-less by military force (but note that out of the three wars that were fought, he started one, the second - Austria started the first, France the third). However, the effect of this was to stabilize the entire European diplomatic system, and after those three wars - which all took place in just 5 years of time - he used all his capabilities and power (which he only had because he united Germany) to ensure peace in Europe. He managed to do that for all the 20 years he remained in office, even though there was a huge number of conflicts between all the states, and even after he was gone, and Wilhelm II. started destroying everything he had build, his system proved so stable it still took 25 years until World War I.
Basically, though three minor wars and an insane amount of diplomacy, Bismarck managed to delay World War I by 20-30 years, and had he stayed in office (and be able to choose a worthy successor), it'd likely have been 50 or more. In fact, even without that, there hasn't been a longer continuous peace between all major powers ever since (if we manage to reach 2035 without a war like that, we'll have caught up).

I also think it's funny how you pick up the one thing he got right in domestic politics to criticize him. As I already said, I don't think he should have meddled with domestic politics to begin with, but the insurance system is actually the exception here.
First, you're wrong about him replacing an insurance system. There wasn't any. And not only in Germany. I fact, the entire idea of insurances like we know them was invented by him. His motivation wasn't exactly praiseworthy (he wanted to attract supporters from the Social Democrats by relieving the working class of the problems that drew them to them - as I said, he shouldn't have gotten involved in domestics), but it was a revolutionary system, and is now the very base of all insurance system in the world, including, for example, the much-lauded Scandinavian ones. And no, it wasn't unfair - and still isn't today, if you wan an unfair system, take the American - as it distributed the load very clearly to whoever was responsible for it. Health costs were shared by employer and employee, while, for example, accident insurance (accidents at work, that is) needed to be paid by the employer alone (causing them to improve working place security). In fact, until World War I, Germany was leading worldwide in social insurances, and was generally considered to have the best, fairest and largest system of them all (the high debt and especially the reparations and the inflation they caused kinda killed the system).
So, he didn't replace an old, better system with a new one; he created the first system of that kind ever, which turned out to be the best one around for half a century, and is nowadays copied all over the world. As I said, the one thing he got right in domestics.
It is kinda embarrassing how episodic your history knowledge is.

i see that diferent here in germany
at first there was a system by the social democrats and he destroyed cause it was getting bigger and bigger and he feared a revoultion
2 years after he declare the social insurances of the poor illegal he made the new system (and that just because the poor where pissed off and where close to  prepare to fight
this system helps only the rich
if you dont have the money for an operation
yes state is paying it but they give you a debt with high interest so that ya need for ever to pay it back
or for example the dentist is still 100% pay from the poor
we cant go to the dentist cause my mother hadded 2 years ago a dental bridge
and we still have just payed 1200 of 1800 €

or the work insurances

it says you got 65% of that what you earned last year

i know teenmoms with the age of 19 getting between 250-350€
for working a mini job the last year

and guys who where in a bank can get up to 5.000€
for being jobless

that is not a joke that is really happening here
this system keeps the poor poor and the rich rich

and the war with austria was provocated
ausria hadded musket which have one shot reloading standing up
and prussia bolt action rifles can fire 5 rounds reloading on the ground
so austira would never be so stupid and attack a nation with these bad equipment 
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I'd actually like to add Margaret Thatcher here. I don't like her much, I don't like most of the decisions she made, but as the first female prime minister, and as a woman who managed to rise to the top of the Tory party in the eighties... I respect that, even if I don't like her.
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mangaluva wrote: I'd actually like to add Margaret Thatcher here. I don't like her much, I don't like most of the decisions she made, but as the first female prime minister, and as a woman who managed to rise to the top of the Tory party in the eighties... I respect that, even if I don't like her.
She's also mostly remembered for the things she did, rather than for being female. Though considering what some of those things were... :x

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I don't know if I've mentioned him, but I'll say if again even if I have: Daniel Radcliffe.

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When asked if he's dating transsexual singer Our Lady J, instead of immediately denying any connection with her and defending his sexuality (as apparently other people connected with her are wont to do) he just said: "Think what you want. She's my friend, and she's awesome."

You rock, Daniel Radcliffe.
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lol

Epic Rap battles of History

Gandhi vs Martin Luther King  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G6CZT7h4k
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