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That's right, I had forgotten about that. And there's just as much pressure to have children once women are married.TheBlind wrote: From what I understand, it use to be heavily frowned upon if you did not marry before reaching the age of thirty in Japan. Women, especially, were placed under heavy pressure to get married before that age or they would be labeled a name ("past due" or something) and somewhat pitied.
That's a tough one. I see your point. At the same time, on Japanese TV, you rarely see people just casually 'dating', like you would, say, on an episode of 'Friends'.TheBlind wrote:Are you sure? Casual relationships seem to be more common in Japan these days than in the West. The only difference I see is that in "the West", relationships can start out casual and develop into marriage while in Japan both parties somewhat make it known that their in for a casual or serious relationship from the start.c-square wrote: Casual relationships aren't as prevalent in Japan as they are in west. You have to remember that it was only a few generations ago that pre-arranged marriages were the norm, and they still occur to this day. Casual relationships are getting more and more common, espcially as the age of marriage goes up, however people don't talk about them much, and they're definitely not seen in the media much.


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Thank you again c-square for your response 
In my country people do not live together too before marriage, but we are opened to other cultures, so we wont have funny guesses about couples' relationships. That was hilarious though what happened with you in Japan with your fiancé

it is the same in my country now a days, even the age of 25 used to be old for a girl to marry 15 years ago. However, now in general girls tend to finish their study first and it is up to them how they agree with the man about working afterwards, basically it differs from one family to another.c-square wrote: Yeah, marriage before 20 is quite rare in Japan, especially because 20 is considered the age one becomes an adult. Marrying age in Japan has tended to be in the early to mid-twenties, though over the past decade or so that's been steadily rising. One of the major reasons for that is that fewer and fewer women are deciding to get married. In Japan, traditionally when a woman gets married, she's expected to quit her job, live at home and raise a family. Now-a-days however, Japanese women are becoming more and more career-minded and are unwilling to simply cut their careers short because they get married. So some women just choose not to marry, or choose marry later. It's getting common to find people marrying in their early to mid-30s now.
I could see now another reason why you had good memories in JapanIt is very uncommon for Japanese couples to live together outside of marriage. It would be considered extremely inappropriate. It is even considered inapproprate for couples travelling together to stay in the same hotel room if they're not married. I remember travelling with my finacee (who is now my wife) in Japan, getting strange looks when we said we wanted to share a room together. Sometimes they'd say, "Ahh! You must be brother and sister then!", which is hilarious because we look nothing alike! (We even had someone say "Ahh, you must be mother and son!" ) Japanese custom dictates that the man should live with his family and the woman with hers until they get married. Then the woman moves in with the man to live with and take care of his family. That's why there are many examples in DC where wives are taking care of their husband's parents, but almost none where the husband is interacting with his wife's parents.


May be social pressure is not the only reason why ladies do not seek divorce. If there are children in the middle, you may disagree with me in this, but cheating is not enough a good reason to break a family. It is though a serious matter, a reason to have a big fight and probably to separate for a little while, but as a mother who is supposed to love my children more than anything, more than my self, I would step on my own feelings to protect the family from breaking, I can not claim that I love my children just with nappy changing and buying the best clothes and toys. broken families is one of the main reasons of many problems, such as drugs and crime. Here in the UK we have a big number of single mothers, also in America I read once that nearly half of the children are without dads. So we have to sacrifice and compromise, not follow our emotions whenever we like, the only reason I believe to justify divorce when there are children is domestic violence. I found the point about Eri interesting as well, but as a mother, I think she has been selfish to leave Ran this small with a father like Kogoro. I think if that happens in the west, social services would interfere.TheBlind wrote: From what I understand, it use to be heavily frowned upon if you did not marry before reaching the age of thirty in Japan. Women, especially, were placed under heavy pressure to get married before that age or they would be labeled a name ("past due" or something) and somewhat pitied. Which makes it understandable why the divorce rate in Japan is steadily increasing from years past in older couples. It use to be that you got married more out of social acceptance and "convenience" than love. Which is why, from my understanding, it was normal for a husband to cheat(discretely) on his wife during marriage and have mistress and the wife had to accept that, because just like you said, a divorce would be much worse on your image. So with ideals of the "West" becoming stronger, divorcing or not marrying till a later age is more accepted, along with other things. I actually like your point about Eri and Kogoro, it's very interesting. The honor factor is also very huge in Japan, to the point it seems unhealthy sometimes(don't mean that in a negative way). I guess the equivalent for here "in the West" would be money.
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There used to be a time when even 6 years old was old enough to take care of your family.kholoudsafir wrote:I found the point about Eri interesting as well, but as a mother, I think she has been selfish to leave Ran this small with a father like Kogoro. I think if that happens in the west, social services would interfere.
No. Wait. That still happens in most of the world's countries.
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I think you're underrating Kogoro... Ran would get taken away if Kogoro was abusive or neglectful, but I wouldn't say he's either. He's just lazy. I doubt he'd forget to feed his small daughter, though. He's just lazier now that she's taken over the kitchen.
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mangaluva wrote: I think you're underrating Kogoro... Ran would get taken away if Kogoro was abusive or neglectful, but I wouldn't say he's either. He's just lazy. I doubt he'd forget to feed his small daughter, though. He's just lazier now that she's taken over the kitchen.
I can see your point, but the fact that Kogoro drinks excessively, could have made him abusive, Ran and Eri were lucky that he was a good father.
ya, may be in Africa and India mainly. However, I am not talking about her ability to take care of herself and her father or the house work. I meant the emotional part must have been difficult for Ran, as a girl she needs a mother more than a father, Ran as a teen girl who can not even enjoy a nap after school like most of teens students, do not know if this is in the manga, but in ep 268, she has blamed her self for oversleeping after school, because she had to prepare dinner.Abs. wrote: There used to be a time when even 6 years old was old enough to take care of your family. No. Wait. That still happens in most of the world's countries.
On the other hand, I must say her tough life made her more mature as a lady.
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I still have no idea how Ran ended up with Kogoro with Eri simply moving away. Maybe Gosho intended her to be orphaned originally.
All I can say Kogoro is a better father than Eri a mother.
All I can say Kogoro is a better father than Eri a mother.

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...that's the first time I have heard of such thing and I can tell you that it doesn't apply to teens in my country...somehow I doubt it applies to the US as well. Why would teens take naps after school? We are full of energy!kholoudsafir wrote: Ran as a teen girl who can not even enjoy a nap after school like most of teens students

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I don't take naps but my sister does all the time!
....well, the only reason why I don't take naps is because I can't get up once I fall asleep...
....well, the only reason why I don't take naps is because I can't get up once I fall asleep...
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I'm from south-east asia (Indonesia) and one thing I must point out is that even from Asian perspectives, Japanese culture is considered VERY different and very interesting! They are extremely strict about honour and manners and their lives are incredibly fast-paced. (Literally. Japanese people walk very fast, in the city at least.)
Taking off your shoes before going into a house is actually a custom around here too. It's not only that I'm used to it, but after years of doing it I feel very conscious of all the dirt at the bottom of my shoes! And contrary to what you might think, after doing it for many years you could probably take off your shoes REALLY fast (as you are walking, even) so it doesn't deter you much if you have um someone dying (a situation I hope never to encounter).
but as has been pointed out it is much stricter in Japan I guess, because they even have outside shoes and inside shoes in schools. Here taking off your shoes is just a custom when you're in someone's home (or in a religious place).
The efficient train system/network is available in other modernised Asian countries too, like Singapore (where I'm living now) and Hong Kong. very convenient and fast, though not as efficient as Japan's bullet trains of course.
the nap thing is quite random, lol, but I do know people my age who nap (i'm a college student!). I don't know if it's common though. I just don't do it cos it's not a habit that I had even since I was young. (I hated waking up and realising that the whole day was gone. :/)
Taking off your shoes before going into a house is actually a custom around here too. It's not only that I'm used to it, but after years of doing it I feel very conscious of all the dirt at the bottom of my shoes! And contrary to what you might think, after doing it for many years you could probably take off your shoes REALLY fast (as you are walking, even) so it doesn't deter you much if you have um someone dying (a situation I hope never to encounter).
but as has been pointed out it is much stricter in Japan I guess, because they even have outside shoes and inside shoes in schools. Here taking off your shoes is just a custom when you're in someone's home (or in a religious place).
The efficient train system/network is available in other modernised Asian countries too, like Singapore (where I'm living now) and Hong Kong. very convenient and fast, though not as efficient as Japan's bullet trains of course.
the nap thing is quite random, lol, but I do know people my age who nap (i'm a college student!). I don't know if it's common though. I just don't do it cos it's not a habit that I had even since I was young. (I hated waking up and realising that the whole day was gone. :/)
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Ran was very small when Eri left. I think she'd be likely to want to stay in the same place, because small children often perceive moving as leaving behind their friends and school, even if they don't move far. So I think she was more likely to stay with Kogoro rather than leave.scineram wrote: I still have no idea how Ran ended up with Kogoro with Eri simply moving away. Maybe Gosho intended her to be orphaned originally.
All I can say Kogoro is a better father than Eri a mother.
I don't think Eri's a bad mother, but I don't think it was the right choice to leave. Besides, if you take the second movie as canon, her real reason for leaving was kind of petty.
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It was played for laughs, but the manga has shown a confused Kogoro sexually harassing Ran during a drunk/drugged stupor. It wouldn't surprise me if something like that has happened before. I'm also not sure it's that much of a coincidence that Aoyama did that scene during the story that explains why Ran learned karate (Night Baron from volume 8, the anime version doesn't have that scene).kholoudsafir wrote:mangaluva wrote: I think you're underrating Kogoro... Ran would get taken away if Kogoro was abusive or neglectful, but I wouldn't say he's either. He's just lazy. I doubt he'd forget to feed his small daughter, though. He's just lazier now that she's taken over the kitchen.
I can see your point, but the fact that Kogoro drinks excessively, could have made him abusive, Ran and Eri were lucky that he was a good father.
I also wonder why Ran doesn't complain more vocally about Kogoro's drinking (she has thought that taking care of a drunk is more trouble than taking care of Conan). She does manage to get him to see clients when he'd rather watch Yoko videos, so it's not because she's that passive. Maybe Eri left after a very nasty fight about his drinking, so Ran is afraid to make an issue of it unless she has some authority figure like a doctor to back her up.
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Random new question, but it just popped into my head; Why does nobody wear their seatbelt in Japan? You often see the driver and passenger buckling up, but nobody ever seems to put on their seatbelt in the back seats of cars. I mean, you can get pulled over for that in the UK. It's seriously dangerous- I mean, getting thrown forwards into the seats isn't as bad as getting thrown into the windscreen, but if the car rolls then you're utterly screwed. Why does nobody buckle up in Japan?
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Good question! I didn't remember much about it, but I asked my wife and she said that she can't remember anybody but her buckling up in the back seat. It seems like the back seat belts are simply viewed as being optional. I did some quick research and found an article stating it was only in 2008 that it became law for people to buckle up in the back seat, and that's only on expressways. On regular roads, it's still optional. At the time the article was written "On regular roads, 95 percent of drivers and 86 percent of front-seat passengers were found to be wearing belts... The same was true of only about 8 percent of those in back."mangaluva wrote: Random new question, but it just popped into my head; Why does nobody wear their seatbelt in Japan? You often see the driver and passenger buckling up, but nobody ever seems to put on their seatbelt in the back seats of cars. I mean, you can get pulled over for that in the UK. It's seriously dangerous- I mean, getting thrown forwards into the seats isn't as bad as getting thrown into the windscreen, but if the car rolls then you're utterly screwed. Why does nobody buckle up in Japan?

