Haibara Ai = Irene Adler

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Re: Haibara Ai = Irene Adler

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kentasaiba wrote: Kudo - Holmes (  :-X )
Agasa - Watson
Ran - Irene Adler
Megure - Lestrade
Takagi - Gregson
Heiji - Mycroft
Gin - Moriarty
Vodka - Moran
DB - Bakerstreet Boys
How come Ran became Adler :-( She's not smart
Mycroft is Yusaku for me... Since Yusaku dont use his Detective works too much... He settled to be a writer but he will be the best detective if he want to...
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Misztina wrote: Yeah, Irene Adler wasn't a thief in the novel at all, and only appeared physically once. Poor her, portraying her as a thief >.>

What did she stole HayleyStark? I can't remember that part.

Heiji cannot be Mycroft. I think Mycroft should be Yusaku, since Mycroft is better than Holmes if I'm not mistaken.
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Just change this into Sherlock Holmes thread lol...
I badly want to watch the movie... Do you guys recommend it?
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Hey, if Gin's Moriarty, what does that make the Boss?
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still.looking wrote: Hey, if Gin's Moriarty, what does that make the Boss?
What makes Gin Moriarty? Gin is quiet smart but he's not the one who moves everybody around in the Black Org. Apparently Vermouth is his superior. Moriarty is the Boss.

I think we could predict some of what would happen in DC depending on the parallel characters in Holmes. Like Conan loving Haibara, and an ending with Conan and the Boss apparently dying in a battle. I'm not a Holmes expert so I don't know the fate of Arsene Lupin (aka Kid). This is how Gosho works, making us believe something all the way and surprising us in the end, but the Sherlock factor in usually there.
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Beastly wrote:
kentasaiba wrote: Kudo - Holmes (  :-X )
Agasa - Watson
Ran - Irene Adler
Megure - Lestrade
Takagi - Gregson
Heiji - Mycroft
Gin - Moriarty
Vodka - Moran
DB - Bakerstreet Boys
How come Ran became Adler :-( She's not smart
Sheesh, the OP gave Haibara credit for 713-714, when Conan was the one who actually figured out the puzzle and Kid's disguise, but Ran gets no credit for solving "Convenience Store" without Conan around to give her hints? More flagrant anti-Ran bias.  :'(
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BTW Mycroft is Yusaku its a fact! heheh... Mycroft and Yusaku could be the best Detective of all time... But they dont put them in good use... Mycroft is enough to be the Sherlock Holmes main character but it was called Sherlock Holmes hehehehe. Mycroft is i think as good or even better than Holmes... And Irene Adler is an hell intelligent kind of a women... I cant compare her with anyone on the DC... Since there is no.. But if u force to pick me it will be Ai..
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The resemblance is just too much....(pic moved to front page)
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Beastly wrote: BTW Mycroft is Yusaku its a fact! heheh... Mycroft and Yusaku could be the best Detective of all time... But they dont put them in good use... Mycroft is enough to be the Sherlock Holmes main character but it was called Sherlock Holmes hehehehe. Mycroft is i think as good or even better than Holmes... And Irene Adler is an hell intelligent kind of a women... I cant compare her with anyone on the DC... Since there is no.. But if u force to pick me it will be Ai..
Vermouth would be the best fit if she ever tries to escape the Org., depending on whether her catch phrase use is giving information unwittingly or is intentional bait.
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Nyarl wrote:
Beastly wrote: BTW Mycroft is Yusaku its a fact! heheh... Mycroft and Yusaku could be the best Detective of all time... But they dont put them in good use... Mycroft is enough to be the Sherlock Holmes main character but it was called Sherlock Holmes hehehehe. Mycroft is i think as good or even better than Holmes... And Irene Adler is an hell intelligent kind of a women... I cant compare her with anyone on the DC... Since there is no.. But if u force to pick me it will be Ai..
Vermouth would be the best fit if she ever tries to escape the Org., depending on whether her catch phrase use is giving information unwittingly or is intentional bait.
But i picked to the current protagonist of DC... I dont know about Vermouth... But she can't escape with teh B.O. since 1. She's a favorite 2. She will be treated worse than Sherry's betrayal, which will be good since Ai won't be there main target hehe... 3. Even though she want to how can she escape APTX??? But it took u 10 years ago so that make him 40? or 30??? Or she already took APTX back then i dont know...
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i still think there's a lot of similarities between Haibara and Irene Adler,like" Hailey stark "said...
Beastly wrote: But Ai havent beaten Conan in any form except in Science...
hmmm,Haibara beats Conan in singing ;D
Irene wasn't better than sherlock in solving case,but she was the first one to be able to trick Sherlock,and taking advance on him...so does Haibara during  her first appearence...
besides, for Holmes the first characteristic that differences Irene from the other women is her high intelligence,Haibara is  genius no?DC isn't a copie of Sherlock holmes of course,but the similarities are visible...

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kentasaiba wrote: Kudo - Holmes (  :-X )
Agasa - Watson
Ran - Irene Adler
Megure - Lestrade
Takagi - Gregson
Heiji - Mycroft
Gin - Moriarty
Vodka - Moran
DB - Bakerstreet Boys
How come Ran became Adler :-( She's not smart
Ran is smart...but not in the Irene Adler way...
Haibara fit more to Irene...
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Yusaku is definitely Mycroft, as Both Yusaku and Mycroft are better than Shinichi and Sherlock respectively at deductions but in Mycroft's case he is lazy and prefers to be alone with his brain most of the time: he is in the Diogenes club after all. In Yusaku's case, he is better at deductions but he is a writer and thus doesn't spend much time solving practical mysteries. The effect is the same, neither are out on the ground working most of the time.

As for Irene Adler, she only showed up once in Sherlock Canon - "A scandal in Bohemia". The rest is expanded on by people who are not sir Arthur Conan Doyle. (fanfictions if you will...) In "A Scandal in Bohemia", Irene Adler, who was an excellent concert singer and actor, had with her a compromising photo of her and the hereditary king of Bohemia in a romantic affair which would be bad if it got out. Irene has been threatening to send it to him and ruin his upcoming marriage. She would not give in for money, nor could the picture be found when the king's men ransacked her house. Sherlock was tasked to retrieve it. Sherlock went out in disguise to stake the house out and then wound up in a ridiculous situation helping Irene and a lawyer get married. Sherlock still doesn't have the picture yet, so he calls upon Watson and forms a plan. Sherlock enters the apartment by getting into a brawl and becoming injured. Next Watson takes a smoke bomb and toss it through the window when Sherlock signals. He and several other paid off people shout "fire!" After doing all that and rendezvousing, Sherlock explained how the plan went to Watson. Irene rushed at once to the hiding place of the picture in fear so now Sherlock knows where it is. As they were leaving someone in a familiar voice says "good night" to Sherlock. I'm too lazy to type out the rest so read it to yourself by clicking on the link I gave above. It's a short read.

Haibara is... a little different from Irene. In some ways she is similar, in others not. Irene never loved Sherlock. Sherlock admired Irene, but if Watson is to be believed Sherlock is not capable of love. In several ways, Irene reminds me more of Vermouth than Haibara. Both are actresses and are good with disguises. Both were tricked by the detective into revealing an important secret, and then despite retaining incriminating knowledge in the end, safeguards it instead. Both give her word that she won't use it against the protagonist or his client in the case of Irene, and Conan and Haibara in the case of Vermouth.

Holmes - Shinichi
Watson - There isn't really one person who fills this roll as Shinichi doesn't pick up a helper. Sometimes Ai fills this roll, other times Agasa.
Irene Adler - Vermouth
Lestrade - Mouri Kogoro or the police force in general.
Mycroft - Kudo Yuusaku
Moriarty - the boss
Moran - Gin especially but also Chianti, Korn, or Vodka...
Baker Street Irregulars - The detective boys.
HayleyStark wrote: Gin is quiet smart but he's not the one who moves everybody around in the Black Org. Apparently Vermouth is his superior.
According to the Official DC stuff Vermouth and Gin are of equal rank. Pisco was on a rank equal with Gin and Vermouth as well but because he made a mistake...
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Yusaku is definitely Mycroft, as Both Yusaku and Mycroft are better than Shinichi and Sherlock respectively at deductions but in Mycroft's case he is lazy and prefers to be alone with his brain most of the time: he is in the Diogenes club after all. In Yusaku's case, he is better at deductions but he is a writer and thus doesn't spend much time solving practical mysteries. The effect is the same, neither are out on the ground working most of the time.

As for Irene Adler, she only showed up once in Sherlock Canon - "A scandal in Bohemia". The rest is expanded on by people who are not sir Arthur Conan Doyle. (fanfictions if you will...) In "A Scandal in Bohemia", Irene Adler, who was an excellent concert singer and actor, had with her a compromising photo of her and the hereditary king of Bohemia in a romantic affair which would be bad if it got out. Irene has been threatening to send it to him and ruin his upcoming marriage. She would not give in for money, nor could the picture be found when the king's men ransacked her house. Sherlock was tasked to retrieve it. Sherlock went out in disguise to stake the house out and then wound up in a ridiculous situation helping Irene and a lawyer get married. Sherlock still doesn't have the picture yet, so he calls upon Watson and forms a plan. Sherlock enters the apartment by getting into a brawl and becoming injured. Next Watson takes a smoke bomb and toss it through the window when Sherlock signals. He and several other paid off people shout "fire!" After doing all that and rendezvousing, Sherlock explained how the plan went to Watson. Irene rushed at once to the hiding place of the picture in fear so now Sherlock knows where it is. As they were leaving someone in a familiar voice says "good night" to Sherlock. I'm too lazy to type out the rest so read it to yourself by clicking on the link I gave above. It's a short read.

Haibara is... a little different from Irene. In some ways she is similar, in others not. Irene never loved Sherlock. Sherlock admired Irene, but if Watson is to be believed Sherlock is not capable of love. In several ways, Irene reminds me more of Vermouth than Haibara. Both are actresses and are good with disguises. Both were tricked by the detective into revealing an important secret, and then despite retaining incriminating knowledge in the end, safeguards it instead. Both give her word that she won't use it against the protagonist or his client in the case of Irene, and Conan and Haibara in the case of Vermouth.

Holmes - Shinichi
Watson - There isn't really one person who fills this roll as Shinichi doesn't pick up a helper. Sometimes Ai fills this roll, other times Agasa.
Irene Adler - Vermouth
Lestrade - Mouri Kogoro or the police force in general.
Mycroft - Kudo Yuusaku
Moriarty - the boss
Moran - Gin especially but also Chianti, Korn, or Vodka...
Baker Street Irregulars - The detective boys.
Very good analysis, I agree to it. In most points.

Just on the role of Dr. Watson: He is not just Sherlocks helper, he is also the person Sherlock explains the solution of the case (or strange occurrences he notices) to.
So it is not only Ai and Agasa, depending on the case it might also be Ran, Sonoko or the Detective Boys.
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Schillok wrote: Very good analysis, I agree to it. In most points.

Just on the role of Dr. Watson: He is not just Sherlocks helper, he is also the person Sherlock explains the solution of the case (or strange occurrences he notices) to.
So it is not only Ai and Agasa, depending on the case it might also be Ran, Sonoko or the Detective Boys.
You make a good point. I would say the reader is the Watson, but the reader isn't exactly a character. Also your sig with the Amino Acid abbreviations (GCA UAC U AUG AUA) is cute. I wonder if anyone's wondered what mine was...
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Also you sig with the Amino Acid abbreviations (GCA UAC U AUG AUA) is cute. I wonder if anyone's wondered what mine was...
I always figured it stood for "Chekhov is more clever than you, Abs."
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