Ai + Conan

[Abs.]

But there´s no way Conan is in love with Ai. He´s a 17 years old boy at mind, a 8 year old child who has the mind of a sassy, intelligent and rather mysterious criminal sicentist isn´t the girl he could fall in love with. A 18 year old woman who´s sassy, intelligent and have a mysterious criminal past is another (untold) story.^g^

Since I am the translator...  What James is trying to say here, people, is...

BOOBIES

[Girl19]

Because she wanted to tease her son. Like she always does.

Or do you think she is counting the number of times a girl looks at Conan, while that girl is sitting behind her in a car where she is unable to see it? While she drives in her neck-breaking driving style? Sure... 

And even if she looked really 10 times on Conan - Yukiko was definetly biased in that case, she WANTED to count how often she looked at him to tease Conan. Not because Haibara is in love... but because Yukiko wanted to believe (or make Conan believe) she is.

Really? Then why didn't she tease him using Ayumi instead of Ai?
You seriously think Yukiko will joke about something as serious as feelings?

Uhh... yeah. Of course Conan wants Ai (and everyone else) to live a happy life without danger. That is nothing "special" in their relatinship. 

But not everyone else has destroyed his life and killed people using a drug.

[Schillok]

Really? Then why didn't she tease him using Ayumi instead of Ai?
You seriously think Yukiko will joke about something as serious as feelings?

Because it wouldn'nt be funny that way? The "something on my face" joke wouldn't work with Ayumi. [author-reader level] And because Conan mentioned Ayumi himself (Looks like Conan is not completly oblivious about Ayumis feelings for him after all), which made Haibara a much better target for Yukikos teasing [character level].
Uhh... and yeah, I think it was sarccasm when you aksed if she would joke about something serious like feeling, but just to make sure: Yes, I am sure Yukiko would.
After all she even made a joke even when Conan stated that he and Haibara might be in danger since they were followed by car.

Uhh... yeah. Of course Conan wants Ai (and everyone else) to live a happy life without danger. That is nothing "special" in their relatinship. 

But not everyone else has destroyed his life and killed people using a drug.

Yeah. But as I mentioned in one of my posts before: the connection between Conan and Haibara is defined by special (common enemy, the secret of their true identities and some kind of mutual dependency) and non-special (like they treat everyone else, for example the detetive boys) elements. The thing you just mentioned would be a "special" element.

[Girl19]

Because it wouldn'nt be funny that way? The "something on my face" joke wouldn't work with Ayumi. [author-reader level] And because Conan mentioned Ayumi himself (Looks like Conan is not completly oblivious about Ayumis feelings for him after all), which made Haibara a much better target for Yukikos teasing [character level].
Uhh... and yeah, I think it was sarccasm when you aksed if she would joke about something serious like feeling, but just to make sure: Yes, I am sure Yukiko would.
After all she even made a joke even when Conan stated that he and Haibara might be in danger since they were followed by car.

Why wouldn't the joke work with Ayumi? Just because Conan already knows that she has a crush on him?
And how do you know that Yukiko is dumb enough to joke about feelings?

Yeah. But as I mentioned in one of my posts before: the connection between Conan and Haibara is defined by special (common enemy, the secret of their true identities and some kind of mutual dependency) and non-special (like they treat everyone else, for example the detetive boys) elements. The thing you just mentioned would be a "special" element.

Oh well, at least you admit there is something special between them..

[Schillok]

Oh well, at least you admit there is something special between them..

I think everyone will agree on that. But to me Haibara is like Heiji #2, just not living that far away and less interested in being a detective.

Why wouldn't the joke work with Ayumi? Just because Conan already knows that she has a crush on him?

author-reader level: Because the joke wouldn't work. Imagine the scene were Conan asked Haibara if he had something on his face - just with Ayumi instead of Haibara. It's less funny, isn't it?
character level: It is no joke, it was teasing Conan. Yukiko doesn't aim for a funny moment, she just enjoys how cute her "Shin-chan" is when he is embarrassed. What is more embarrassing: Getting reminded of a girl that you know she has a crush on you? Or someone claiming that another girl had a crush on you?
Beside... no matter how good Yukiko is at judging other peoples characters - she just met Haibara that day. I don't think she would be able to read Haibara in that short time, especially since Haibara isn't extactly an open and outgoing person.

[Girl19]

I think everyone will agree on that. But to me Haibara is like Heiji #2, just not living that far away and less interested in being a detective.

To me, Haibara is Haibara and Heiji is Heiji, there is no #2.
Not to forget that Haibara is SO different from Heiji.

author-reader level: Because the joke wouldn't work. Imagine the scene were Conan asked Haibara if he had something on his face - just with Ayumi instead of Haibara. It's less funny, isn't it?
character level: It is no joke, it was teasing Conan. Yukiko doesn't aim for a funny moment, she just enjoys how cute her "Shin-chan" is when he is embarrassed. What is more embarrassing: Getting reminded of a girl that you know she has a crush on you? Or someone claiming that another girl had a crush on you?
Beside... no matter how good Yukiko is at judging other peoples characters - she just met Haibara that day. I don't think she would be able to read Haibara in that short time, especially since Haibara isn't extactly an open and outgoing person.

First of all, I think you're talking as if you knew what's in Aoyama's mind. You have no proof that Haibara has no feelings for Conan; but we, on the other hand, have proofs that she, at least, has special feelings for him.
Back to the topic, I think the joke (if it's a joke as you say) would work even with Ayumi. And yes, Yukiko didn't get to know Haibara well enough, but what she said to Conan was like a general statement: when a girl stares too much at a boy's face, it either means that he has something on his face or that the girl likes the guy. For Yukiko, it's was obvious. She even reminded Conan to take care/protect Haibara before leaving; I don't think that was a joke.

[Schillok]

To me, Haibara is Haibara and Heiji is Heiji, there is no #2.
Not to forget that Haibara is SO different from Heiji.

Err... I was talking about the "knowing the secrect identity part" and "being someone Conan can talk to about Shinichi or the BO" (if he wants) eithout endangering that person. Because - at least for that part - Heiji and Haibara a similar.

what she said to Conan was like a general statement: when a girl stares too much at a boy's face, it either means that he has something on his face or that the girl likes the guy.

Of course even that assumption is up do debate.
Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan in in love with Ayumi, because he doesn't hate her.

So, back to Yukikos statement: is it really unusual for someone to look at the face of another person for ten times a day? And does it automatically mean that girl is in love with him if she does?
To be honest, I had never heard that saying before, so I assume Yukiko made it up herself. Why she made that up - think what you want. But I think it was to tease Conan.

Back to the topic, I think the joke (if it's a joke as you say) would work even with Ayumi.

But less funny. As much as I would have loved to see Ayumis confused face upon this question.

She even reminded Conan to take care/protect Haibara before leaving; I don't think that was a joke.

Me neither. But she knew that Haibara and Conan are really in danger should they be discovered by the BO. And she should konw her son well enough to know that he would protect anyone, she was just ensuring him that she supports his descions.

[Girl19]

Err... I was talking about the "knowing the secrect identity part" and "being someone Conan can talk to about Shinichi or the BO" (if he wants) eithout endangering that person. Because - at least for that part - Heiji and Haibara a similar.

Err... You said before that, for you, Haibara is Heiji#2. You didn't say that they're similar in those 2 roles only.
Now that you say it; we finally agree on one point.

Of course even that assumption is up do debate.

Of course. But I'm not here to debate what Yukiko said.
I'm here to remind you that Yukiko said that because she actually thinks so.
Why does she think that? Ask her Aoyama.

Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan in in love with Ayumi, because he doesn't hate her.

And I say:
>> Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan hates Ayumi, because he doesn't love her.

So, back to Yukikos statement: is it really unusual for someone to look at the face of another person for ten times a day? And does it automatically mean that girl is in love with him if she does?
To be honest, I had never heard that saying before, so I assume Yukiko made it up herself. Why she made that up - think what you want. But I think it was to tease Conan.

I think she said that because she believes it's true. I repeat what I said before in another way: I don't think Yukiko is that desperate to invent a whole dumb little love story just to tease her Shin-chan. That would be sick. If Aoyama intended to make a joke with that (as you said), then he failed.

[mangaluva]

Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan in in love with Ayumi, because he doesn't hate her.

And I say:
>> Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan hates Ayumi, because he doesn't love her.

and i'd say:
>>> that's extremist bollocks.

So, back to Yukikos statement: is it really unusual for someone to look at the face of another person for ten times a day? And does it automatically mean that girl is in love with him if she does?
To be honest, I had never heard that saying before, so I assume Yukiko made it up herself. Why she made that up - think what you want. But I think it was to tease Conan.

I think she said that because she believes it's true. I repeat what I said before in another way: I don't think Yukiko is that desperate to invent a whole dumb little love story just to tease her Shin-chan. That would be sick. If Aoyama intended to make a joke with that (as you said), then he failed.

I don't think she entirely made it up to tease him. She saw that Ai might have a little thing for Conan; she spotted the little body language cues. She knows how her son feels about Ran, so I think she just wanted to bring Ai's feelings to his attention so that they could find some way to work them out, because unrequited, unnoticed love is just painful.

[Girl19]

Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan in in love with Ayumi, because he doesn't hate her.

And I say:
>> Saying: "A boy either hates or loves a girl." would lead to the "undeniable truth" that Conan hates Ayumi, because he doesn't love her.

and i'd say:
>>> that's extremist bollocks.

And I say:
>>> Err.. that's the point? I was following Schillok's extremist reasoning on purpose to prove that.. err.. it is extremist.

I don't think she entirely made it up to tease him. She saw that Ai might have a little thing for Conan; she spotted the little body language cues. She knows how her son feels about Ran, so I think she just wanted to bring Ai's feelings to his attention so that they could find some way to work them out, because unrequited, unnoticed love is just painful.

That's pretty much what almost everyone thinks. But some people will always find a way to debate what's obvious.

[James Rye]

We should change the topic into "Girl19 + Schillok". XDDD

As usually i side with Girl19 in this one, but give Schillok Cookies for nice arguments.
(Yes, i´m just too lazy to write a wall here, so what i have exams in two weeks  )

But there´s no way Conan is in love with Ai. He´s a 17 years old boy at mind, a 8 year old child who has the mind of a sassy, intelligent and rather mysterious criminal sicentist isn´t the girl he could fall in love with. A 18 year old woman who´s sassy, intelligent and have a mysterious criminal past is another (untold) story.^g^

Since I am the translator...  What James is trying to say here, people, is...

BOOBIES

HHHHSSSSSS!
Damn you, community hero for destroying my perfect, awesome, fantastic plan of world dominantion in turning all humans into pervs and controlling them through the internet!!!

But that one be the last time you saw me, JAMES RYE with the HALF FACE! (thx at ShinRan36 for making that awesome avatar btw., all credits to her, she´s the real overlord XD)

And now, cause all talked about Haibara being a second Heiji and clearing that misunderstnading:

Imagine a Heiji who would totally act like Haibara with all and everything....

Should i lolroflamo or rip out my bledding eyes?

[mangaluva]

I roflmaod until I cried.

[Schillok]

And I say:
>>> Err.. that's the point? I was following Schillok's extremist reasoning on purpose to prove that.. err.. it is extremist.

Yeah. And I made up this extreme reasoning because I wanted to show Yukikos extreme reasoning. Either Conan has something on his face or Haibara is in love with him. Her statement didn't leave room for anything in between. 

. She saw that Ai might have a little thing for Conan; she spotted the little body language cues.

Well, as I said, this was the first time Yukiko meeting Ai (And I doubt the talked directly to each other during that time except for a short, polite exchange). If she can read Haibara that quickly... then she is extremly talented and should rethink about her profession.
But doesn't it sound much more likely that she just thought she spotted these "cues" because she WANTED to see them? (Or made it completly up.)

I don't think Yukiko is that desperate to invent a whole dumb little love story just to tease her Shin-chan.

Yukiko was desperate enough to play a criminal the first time she meet Conan. She seriously scared him. Not to mention Anime Originals... (Like when she dressed as an old woman and rented a house close to the agency just to spy on Conan.)
No, inventing a dumb little love story sounds EXACTLY like something she would do.
*shrug* I think that makes her funny. Of course you are free to feel different about that trait of charcter.


What I am trying to say is that: You have to be critical about what Yukiko said. Just following the logic "There is noting on Conans face so Haibara must love him because Yukiko said so!" is dangerous. Maybe she was serious - and Conan just ignored it and Yukiko never talked about again or forgot about it. But it just as like possible that she wasn't serious or just seeing things she wanted to see.

[mangaluva]

. She saw that Ai might have a little thing for Conan; she spotted the little body language cues.

Well, as I said, this was the first time Yukiko meeting Ai (And I doubt the talked directly to each other during that time except for a short, polite exchange). If she can read Haibara that quickly... then she is extremly talented and should rethink about her profession.
But doesn't it sound much more likely that she just thought she spotted these "cues" because she WANTED to see them? (Or made it completly up.)

Again, why would she WANT to find that? And of course she could read her that quickly. It's not exactly hard to notice when somebody's in love with somebody else. It's kind of obvious in how they act. It's easier for women to pick up on these things than men, though. Think of the classic situation where a couple walk into a party and the woman can give a rundown of the relationships of everyone in the room, even the ones she's never met, in about ten seconds, leaving the man dumbfounded. Has that never happened to you?

[Schillok]

Think of the classic situation where a couple walk into a party and the woman can give a rundown of the relationships of everyone in the room, even the ones she's never met, in about ten seconds, leaving the man dumbfounded. Has that never happened to you?

No, never happened to me. And sounds extremely unrealistic.
Beside, in that case a woman would be able to tell if her best friend was in love with her own boyfriend. Or if the neighbours woman that has an affair with her husband.
So why are so many woman supprised by their cheating boyfriends/husbands when they previously knew the other woman?

Haibara is no little child, she can hide her feelings well. Well enough not to be read within a few minutes by a completly stranger woman like Conans mother.

As for WHY she would want to think Haibara was in love... Well, maybe she thought "It would be cute if she were" or "My son is such a cute boy, I bet many girls fall for him".
There are many reasons why a parent might want to think a girl fell in love with his/her son.