Mafia Round 35: Horror at Hogwarts (Starting this Friday/Saturday!)

[Abs.]

Encrypted codes should be banned, for all the obvious reasons. They are not discouraged in the rules right now, but they should be. It’s up to future GMs and rulemakers on how to proceed, but I—personally—believe them to hold far too much power.

IMO this falls under the old "No Intrusion of Reality" rule but it seems I failed in defining the rule... Such that it only applied to certain specific actions.

To wit, I vote we also add "No calling Player X who is also a RL friend/neighbor/relative of yours over to your computer screen to see your PMs" and "No giving your DCTP account password to someone else to 'prove' yourself" in the case that such things need to be specifically mentioned as well.

[Jd-]

IMO this falls under the old "No Intrusion of Reality" rule but it seems I failed in defining the rule... Such that it only applied to certain specific actions.

To wit, I vote we also add "No calling Player X who is also a RL friend/neighbor/relative of yours over to your computer screen to see your PMs" and "No giving your DCTP account password to someone else to 'prove' yourself" in the case that such things need to be specifically mentioned as well.

The Condor said he'd also come up with a similar idea as mine in the past but had yet to implement it, so I'm guessing that rule definitely wasn't clear enough since he of all people would be aware of it.

[Vylash]

Can we do something about players sending their wills to each other to circumvent erasing or am i the only one who thinks that's a little cheap?

[xpon]

well... you can still fake your will.....
(which i will do it if i am BO)

[PT]

Can we do something about players sending their wills to each other to circumvent erasing or am i the only one who thinks that's a little cheap?

Why?

Not a lot of people do it anyway, and really only if you trust the person you're planning to send it to.

Now I will say DO NOT send your actions to the GM and then also BCC othe players on that same PM. That has happened a few times (I've never done it, and I won't name names of who has).

[xpon]

i did that sometimes.. but remember.. we can still send a new actions to GM.. so there is no guarantee that the actions is legit! it may be just a bluff.

[Abs.]

Strangely, I am agreeing with each of xpon's rebuttals so far.

[Stopwatch]

@Parkur: Wills generally have ALL the info, including your role and various other things you've found out. You'd have to trust someone completely to do that. Perhaps you could make it so it couldn't have a time stamp and just have the 'Quote' bit though, that way it could be faked if someone could impersonate someone well enough...

[xpon]

because if we put a strict regulations everywhere.... and someone find a loop hole ( there will be a loop hole no matter how hard we try to eliminate it) that person will be proven.

so let play under 1 general idea.
This is a game where people Lie and deceive people. trust someone at your own RISK

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@Parkur: Wills generally have ALL the info, including your role and various other things you've found out. You'd have to trust someone completely to do that. Perhaps you could make it so it couldn't have a time stamp and just have the 'Quote' bit though, that way it could be faked if someone could impersonate someone well enough...

i can fake the time too.

[PT]

i did that sometimes.. but rememebr.. we can still send a new actions to GM.. so there is no guarantee taht the actions is legit! it may be just a bluff.

But to me that falls under the same kinda heading as not being allowed to send your role PM to another player to prove yourself.

[KangarooGirl]

Can we do something about players sending their wills to each other to circumvent erasing or am i the only one who thinks that's a little cheap?

Why?

Not a lot of people do it anyway, and really only if you trust the person you're planning to send it to.

Now I will say DO NOT send your actions to the GM and then also BCC othe players on that same PM. That has happened a few times (I've never done it, and I won't name names of who has).

Well, it defeats the purpose of having erase, mostly. There's a reason why the BO wants it erased. And that usually comes later in the game when most definitely have a trusted ally already (those are the people who are more likely to get erased anyway). So I agree with Parkur this time.

[Abs.]

There's no point in saying "You can't send people your will ahead of time" because they'll just send all the information that they found out and say "But that wasn't my will"

[Stopwatch]

Also @Jd-'s point about killing actions: It depends really, some Townies also don't ally, though it's nowhere near as common. Well, killing actions help a lot with blending in (MoD was pretty useful when I was Vermouth :x) and if the BO choose not to ally when they usually do, then it can single them out anyway. I'd say that it really is down to the player, if they feel they can't pull off acting Town-like then they won't ally, so it's somewhat lose-lose for them. *has no idea what I was getting at with that :/*

[xpon]

i did that sometimes.. but rememebr.. we can still send a new actions to GM.. so there is no guarantee taht the actions is legit! it may be just a bluff.

But to me that falls under the same kinda heading as not being allowed to send your role PM to another player to prove yourself.

actually yes..

i do wonder why we are not allowed to send our role..

what hard to Fake our role?

There's no point in saying "You can't send people your will ahead of time" because they'll just send all the information that they found out and say "But that wasn't my will"

yeah... we can take gamble and release our modified will if someone is dead and havent write any will..... (the risk is if he send his will to 2 people.)

[Kleene Onigiri]

There's no point in saying "You can't send people your will ahead of time" because they'll just send all the information that they found out and say "But that wasn't my will"

^this
And also, it's hard to track down if someone did or didn't, the GM can't see others PMs :V
And it's also possible that someone sends the will to someone, but that someone don't quote the will but tells it as "own information"/"conversation that was held"


@HS: Yeah. That's my opinion tho :V
If you want HS to be untrickable too tho, then removing normal arrest from them would be a good idea. And if they loose house-search, giving them arrest instead for that


@killing actions:
I'm not sure if that would help D:
Even before killing actions where in the game, a lot of people didn't try to ally when they were BO :V It's just the way they play.
Most people just fear that they'll get caught when they try to ally D: Disguise, which should help you to infiltrate the town, is actually hindering you since peope always go around to check you for a disguise D:
When you say your own ability, you're said to be that BO (Chianti/Korn, Gin, Vodka...) And there is just 1 BS to fake an action which is now used for slandering/steal too instead D: And even if you want to fake an action, there aren't many possibilities. Interrogate(with the keywords), protect/heal. Other actions are risky, since you can't have the result or it doesn't happen (trick/steal)

So they don't know what to do and fear to get exposed right away. Also, more and more townies are lying now too, which isn't helping in being a BO XD

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