Least favorite character

[Jd-]

it's not even that, that type of character can be written better than it has

or have this thing called "character growth"

We both know that's just some highly effective nyarlbait there.

[Kor]

My first thought about that post is that it is a great provocation post for Nyral, but let's see if I can "defend" Ran against some of the points which I don't agree with.

WARNING!! I hate with Passion You've been warned!

Ran is a fictional character. Disliking it, I can understand. Hating it, well......a bit headscratching, but I suppose it's better to hate fictional stuff than non-fictional stuff.
I don't think you really hate her as much as you claim. She is a main character, had you hated her so much, I don't think you would have watched the series.

First- she is your typical "Girl" Character in most Shounen manga Basically the what people most likely regard as Angelic type.

Yep. You know, it's "typical" because it somehow works.

Second - the "Crush" intrest of the main character. Why, do they always turn out to be sucky type????? They are Always the sweet, nice, pure, White basically and honestly they SUCK! Though i have to admit, I was ok with her at the begining but then she started to get on my nerves!

Writer's preference.....?
Dunno, DC isn't a dark series and kids watch it. Perhaps it is easier for boys to see the female character as a good and bright person? I don't see anything wrong with her being sweet, nice, etc. I don't think children are so much into the dark types. They are good as minor characters, but I've yet to read something (intended to kids) with characters that aren't somehow close to the ideals of Ran.
I've talked with a few writers in the last few months, and all of them told me the same thing, the main female character in bright settings shouldn't be a dark person. Some people might be into it, others might not.

But if you look for another type of character that is definitely not remotely close to Ran, I've heard about this series called Twilight 

(no offense, actually i don't mind if you do)

Easy there. We're not here to offend.

we're more about love, friendship and the heart of the cards.

+Naive,
+Damsel in Distress ( yes she's been and She'll be )
+Weak ( mentality wise)
+dependant ( again mentality wise always asking for Shinichi to come back)

And since so many female characters are also like that, I guess the writers realized it actually works. Bear in mind that there are also some cultural differences between Japan and wherever you live.

+the "Beautiful"-according to the writer/illustrater-( honestly I still don't get why alot of people -side characters + Eisuke+ Tomoaki Araida ( i guess )) Who almost everyone wants a peice from.

Well, if Shinichi is attracted to her, why wouldn't other people be?
It's only normal that the main female character gets a bit more romantic possibilities than the rest.
It also might have been an attempt for drama. It was a little late in the series for that too.
Either way, if you're trying to imply that Ran isn't Beautiful, that's a complaint on the artwork, not the character itself. It's almost like saying that a character, which an author described as beautiful, is actually ugly.

+the Perfect girl, who NEVER cheats, NEVER hurts people (emotinally) NEVER betrays, ALWAYS the trustworthy (obviously not enough for shinichi -THANK  GOD) ALWAYS the cheerful, ALWAYS the positive( outward, inside she is as over dramatic as a Drama Queen) ALWAYS finds just the words to say in any situation ( be it for a murderer, or a friend or an enemy)
+the Big hearted - who can fit the WHOLE world in it-

Yeah, damn those good people in the fictional world! Who needs those Disney Princesses, the Sailor Scouts and those Power Rangers anyway?

+Fallen HARD in love with the protongiest, yet NEVER admits to his face ( i Know shinichi is the same, but he is a GUY, there is just way~ to much pride in the way) always trying to act as though she isn't yet she FAILS bad!

Wait, wait, wait. So the guy is allowed to not confess, yet the girl needs to? All those TV dramas have lied to me!
But seriously, I don't get this logic. I've seen cases of both genders who confess or not confess. There isn't any rule here.

+ Again the Pure, not Naughty Ughr.. I don't know how to explain this! Ughr... Not Sonoko-ish... ( Not everyone should be , i KNOW just saying since i couldn't phrase it any way better)

So.......Twilight?

= UNREALISTIC

FICTIONAL 

A teenager turning into a kid isn't so realistic either.
Plus, as far as Ran is concerned, you can't deny the possibility that such a person might exist. This character is built on realistic traits coming all together in one character. Might not seem too real, but this wouldn't be on my top 10 list of the unrealistic stuff in Conan.
Actually, Haibara seems to me much more unrealistic. I mean, do these sort of girls actually exist? Again, these traits are real, but the only reason they come in Haibara is because of her dark history (to this date, at least, I haven't encountered any teenaged girl who is cool, cold and sarcastic), and her history, well.......realistic isn't a word I'd use to describe it.

-Turn, and fast walk as far away as possible with a horrified face. Why? Simple: they're the most to fear since they are more liable to be the [shadow=red,left]DEVIL[/shadow] in disguise.

Yes, there are types like that. The world is big and there are different people in it. If a character like this would be in Detective Conan, she'd probably be victim/muderer/suspect. But you can find fictional characters like that in other works too.
So just because Ran doesn't go that road, does it mean it's not right?

-OR: PUNCH the lights out of them and scream "GET REAL!" which is more likely to happen if i met Ran face to face

Would you really just punch someone just because she doesn't have the same views on the world as you? It's not really your place to decide how people should behave. If they want to be nice, sweet, etc. they have every right to be and you shouldn't stay in their way. If they need to "get real" like you say, they'd probably do so at one point or the other. If not, then........one point for the bright people.....?
It's not like Ran is trying to bring world peace or anything, that's just her personality.

ONE MORE THING: Angel ain't a title i girl/women/female should/could ever hold.

Heard about some pretty good people who are both men and women.

Angels are men in white

Yeah, eh.........if you ever see a man in white who isn't a doctor or a scientist, you might just want to step away. 

Devils are Big Busted Women with tight Tube top, and short shorts, or mini skirts and glossy skin + flowing long hair

If that's what hell is like, count me in XD

Honestly in the whole DC seriose the only one worth of being called Angel is Conan ( and yes I mean Conan not SHinichi ) Because as the experience the older teen got from turning into a kid again was the fact that he matured and SAW the dark side of the world,

Conan, the kid which brings death to wherever he goes. I'd say he's more of the death reaper 
Aside from that, he has already knew the "dark side of the world" before that. It's not like he suddenly realized that people who kill other people are bad people.

Unlike RAN who all her life was protected (So what if her parents Divorced? 24% iff not more parents out there divorce ! and some with a HUGE family ( kids of 4 and up, actually I'd 6 and up but i didn't want to overexagerate since i don't know for sure) She never SAW the dark side, and probably never will

You might want to explain more what this "dark side of the world" is since I'm not really following. But it's not like Ran has been in a hundred (or so) murder cases or anything like that.

Since she is so Loved and Protected (even by Vermoth!)- and the worst she would probably see is the end of the bloody war, and then She's most likely Whine about how she should be "Strong" for those around her. When if it was Conan/Shinichi (Conan/shinishi = Shinichi after/while the whole Conan ordeal) he'd probably not give it enough chance to let it bug him and the worst may be paranoia and Nightmares here and there

Damn, has Gosho become so predictable? 
But I wouldn't criticize Ran's character based on something that didn't even happen.

And if this where a Supernatural Anime, he'd be an angel for saving all those lost soul from having unsolved/wrong death causes and will probably roam the earth trying to tell people the truth about their deaths and who murdered them

I wouldn't praise Conan's character based on something that will never happen 
This isn't a supernatural anime. We got what we got.

Who agrees? That Conan Deserves the "Angel" more than Ran???

I still nominate Conan for the Death Reaper 
I have a few problems with Conan's character. He often seems like a perfect character since he always has (or get) the information he needs for the case, and in 99% of the times, he solves the cases. He doesn't "lose" to other detectives and he sometimes comes off as a jerk.
Out of all the anime protagonists, he definitely doesn't come in my top ten list.

Overall, I think you take the "angel" title a bit too seriously. It's just a title that Vermouth gave to her. It's not like ALL the characters have said that she's an angel. Ran happens to be all of what Vermouth isn't, so I can see why a person like Vermouth would choose that word for her.

I can see why you hate Ran since she just happens to be with all the traits which you apparently don't like, but as you said, that's the typical anime girl for you in this sort of genre.

I have some other Characters to talk about such as

Spoiler:

Sera

But please don't do it here. We try to keep spoilers out of these board. You can do it in the story board and find a good thread for that. I'll put my thoughts on that too.

About Kaito Kid. I can kinda guess your reasons for not liking him already 

[shihokudo]

Sonoko has to STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES' BUSINESS
i keep changing my vote...

[Vylash]

Sonoko isn't around enough for that to be annoying

[Abs.]

I bet mangaluva would have a field day writing Aniki-xvi's psychological analysis report

[Aniki-xvi]

I bet mangaluva would have a field day writing Aniki-xvi's psychological analysis report

XD Why I'd be honored if i were to be written by something related to my favroite subject ( Psychology yet i didn't study it  ^^;)

@ Kor ( since Quoteing all of it will just take a lot of space)

Hmm... Now that I reread it, i did sound alot meanier than i intended to (Sorry -_-; )

And to sum it all up, i guess after watching Conan for more than ten Years ( i could almost swear for more but let's not exagerate and stay on the safe side) i eventually stopped enjoying it for the plot (well, that's not wierd for me as i do that for a lot of animes out there ) I still do, but started to focus more on the character.

And Yes, i guess i'm more pissed on the how these characters "Work" and therefore more of them are born ( not just in DC talking in general) and you'd think their light would dim a bit! But no~ they are still as blinding white as ever

And about the grimm reaper thing, i wanted to mention it but i guess i got carried away ^^; ( i've been using alot of this ' ^^;' yeah totally randome excuse me -_-; UGR! Again!!)
... I ADMIT! i only avoided it to hold the whole Angel thing!
And well, i think i didn't relize it was only Vermouthe sorry...

BUT i have i legment reason for bing Racist~!!! ( or.. Charactarist...) ( I am NOT racist by the literal meaning of the world... I hope i aint...)

You see not long ago my mom was watching this Drama ( not related to jap ) where the main character is such an Angel (blah I feel like vomiting) she was soooooo freaking PURE! Never gets angry and well... you know!.. The whole angelic thing X 10000 and you know you know you know EVERYONE i mean EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. in the drama LOVED her, every other minute they go 'Oh Laila(the name of the girl), poor girl why did this had to happen to you?" And all just because she got married to some/ a little Cold person ( you know the type most us anime fangirls find COOL??) . This main character had relistic sisters ( you know  NORMAL girls) where she advices them on hhow to be Good and to let the anger away and and and you should never think bad of people and and and ALLL THAT CRAP!!! and i had to be brainwashed just becuase i wanted to have some quality time with my own MOTHER! for 30+ ep!!!!

My 'i got pissed off by this kind of character' turned to HATE and DESPISE every time i see anything remotely similiar.. Can you blame me??? I swear if you watch it even if you were totally normal with them, you have a worse reaction than me

And guess what?? IT had a SECOND season!!! ANd mom just had to watch it! !1 more like T^T

*exhale* Man that took a load of my chest  Now I'm happy

And about the whole Love thing. yeah i was playing favourites

*looks down sees if she missed something*

And PLEASE don't talk about TWilight ( yes i'm contradicting. thankx to you i realized that )

And the whole angel devil man women thing is just the kindof Image i have, you know the first thing you imagine when some one says a word?? The funny thing ( incase it wasn't obvouse) I'm a 100% gril/female (not lady Please ~~) from top to bottom and I'd NEVER want/wish i were a male/boy/man whatever Does that mean i'm a contradicting mess??? Well, in that case i think Mangaluva would definitly have a field day analysising me 


As for Kaito:

It's not that i hate him, more like I'm thankful for all the Fanfics that keeps me from hating him. and if ONLY he'd be included in the plot rather than just a guest, it would diffently add a nice twist for the story ( and something to look forward to as well) i mean as i fangirl i love him ( yeah no italics or bold means just normal ol' love and not some strong emotion) but even i get dissappointed by his latest ep/files.

And as for personality wise i think he's fine.. i don't know when you read alot of fanfics alot ot stuff overlap and they mangae to merge to become somthing ok.

Or what idea did you have for me hating him?? ( don't worry Open my eyes  No one will blame you)

Hmm... I think that's it. as for Haibara i .... have no idea i guess i like her since she is mainly sarcastic ( yep wierd trait to like?) and even if i am a Haibara fan and i like AiCon i like it as it is AiCon and ConAi , basically i love the whole unrequited love feeling in their relationship and maybe also the whole aibou/partner thing as well ( the same thing i like in Heiji and Conan's relationship)

And to sum all my fav pairing in jjust in 7 words:

I am a YAOI fan to the core

or something like that

Something out of the topic:

Am i the only one who writes with a diffrent time zone than you guys??? when you reply i'd be in the middle of my sleep, and i think vice versa.. right? that's just disappointing

PS thanx for telling me about the spoiler thing

[ProfParanoia]

( I am NOT racist by the literal meaning of the world... I hope i aint...)

*looks at avi*
Well uh, not sure what to tell you.

[ranger]

They are Always the sweet, nice, pure

+the Perfect girl, who NEVER cheats, NEVER hurts people (emotinally) NEVER betrays, ALWAYS the trustworthy (obviously not enough for shinichi -THANK  GOD) ALWAYS the cheerful, ALWAYS the positive( outward, inside she is as over dramatic as a Drama Queen) ALWAYS finds just the words to say in any situation ( be it for a murderer, or a friend or an enemy)

And what's wrong with that? I never understand people who hate "good" characters just because they are "good". Or would you prefer to deal with evil, traitorous, lying, murderous scumbags in real life? I hope you will go through that sooner or later.

If Ran actually was like that, she would move up some levels in my book, from -200 to -100

And like what ProfParanoia said, it's a bland character. 

[Dwalin]

My 'i got pissed off by this kind of character' turned to HATE and DESPISE every time i see anything remotely similiar.. Can you blame me??? I swear if you watch it even if you were totally normal with them, you have a worse reaction than me

Well, if we talk about hate and despise, I really don’t know if it’s better to hate and despise you or pity you. Your logic is so weak that I think I prefer pitying you. As I said, I REALLY wish you meet some person in real life who is complete opposite to Ran (lying, cheating, traitorous etc). Dealing with such a person would teach you a good lesson.

[Aniki-xvi]

My 'i got pissed off by this kind of character' turned to HATE and DESPISE every time i see anything remotely similiar.. Can you blame me??? I swear if you watch it even if you were totally normal with them, you have a worse reaction than me

Well, if we talk about hate and despise, I really don’t know if it’s better to hate and despise you or pity you. Your logic is so weak that I think I prefer pitying you. As I said, I REALLY wish you meet some person in real life who is complete opposite to Ran (lying, cheating, traitorous etc). Dealing with such a person would teach you a good lesson.

look just because i feel pissed off by some kindof a character doesn't I'm totally ok with the Total opposite. There is somehting in between you know like the yen yan sign? a good Balance of good and evil.  again not necerally in a perfect balance as long as it ain't Totally made up of one without the other.

People say i have troule making others understand me. So... is my point clear?

[Dwalin]

look just because i feel pissed off by some kindof a character doesn't I'm totally ok with the Total opposite. There is somehting in between you know like the yen yan sign? a good Balance of good and evil.  again not necerally in a perfect balance as long as it ain't Totally made up of one without the other.

People say i have troule making others understand me. So... is my point clear?

If we talk about fiction, your point is clear. If you mean real life, then it is not.

[SatsukiTotoro]

+dependant ( again mentality wise always asking for Shinichi to come back)

faithful

Unlike RAN who all her life was protected (So what if her parents Divorced? 24% iff not more parents out there divorce !

They are NOT divorced they pretend to be half divorced and half married. This couple, very immature, is still together because Ran holds them together. A drinker&a woman abandoned her child… A very happy childhood.

[Aniki-xvi]

*shrugs* oh well, I'm not trying to sway anyone into my logic/ way of thinking.

And wiether you find it pitiful or not it doesn't matter much to me. After all i've seen first handly how this logic manged to keep me from ( and some others i mangaed to warn ) from falling in trouble with a "Devil in Angel's cloths" And i know just because it worked once doesn't mean it'll work everytime. But hey! as they say "Better safe than sorry" as for if I meet any more of them in real life I'd rather not interact with them and keep them to their own business as long as their agenda doesn't include me ( or any of my close friends) in it. In such case, wiether they are Honest to God good people or bad ones i would careless

Unlike RAN who all her life was protected (So what if her parents Divorced? 24% iff not more parents out there divorce !

They are NOT divorced they pretend to be half divorced and half married. This couple, very immature, is still together because Ran holds them together. A drinker&a woman abandoned her child… A very happy childhood.

A drunker yes. but he was never seen once being a mean drunker. He obvoiusly loves his daughter and wouldn't let harm come upon her ( NOT dissing ) ( Personally an admirable trait in a father. Thus i like the detective , stupid he may be. but not a bad guy)  Quete frankly that fact alone should stop Ran.... ok  whatever point i wanted to make at the begining,  i lost it.

and How did her mother abanden her? She is in the same district, close to reach, a phone call away from her daughter and they Do spend Mother-Daughter quality time ( never been stated other wise) Short maybe but it's still there. she is Loved by both her parents ( not that i can see Gosho drawing anyone with a miserable family - if he did please link the  ep, file *hopeful eyes* )

well, you have to admit, their imature relationship is something i look forward to! 

[Aniki-xvi]

UGHR!! this whole quoating thing is getting on my nerves!!!

Oh well i think i mangaed it

[doublemoonlight]

k you want mensurable here it is: Ai's family... all dead except haibara who was forced to lose her identity and become another person. Happy?