Doctor Who?

[Officer Kaoko]

I've followed Doctor Who shows in a-not-Europe country. It was very beneficial, amusing, fascinating, and interesting show. I would like to watch it again

[Akonyl]

Maybe I should have just said that other than Donna they all fancied the Doctor (tin dogs aren't counted... Jack probably is though I think he prefered 9 over 10 ).

ah, gotcha.

And, calling it now:

Spoiler:

doctor shot in the first episode is actually the flesh-doctor to avoid actually having the doctor get killed.

also, best line of the current ep:
"I thought I was going to die!"
Rory: "Welcome to my world."

good to see they acknowledge how often they kill him.

[Stopwatch]

And, calling it now:

Spoiler:

doctor shot in the first episode is actually the flesh-doctor to avoid actually having the doctor get killed.

I would have said that apart from two reasons:

Spoiler:

1) It's too simple, the solution for this series is, normally, not so easily figured out and hardly ever so early in the series. Moffat, the main writer for this series, does lots and lots of overly complicated and timey-wimey things, the only way I can see this as the solution is if there's a twist that the Doctor dying is not the biggest problem, that there's something else that's even more of a threat...
2) The moral of this 2 parter seems to be that 'the flesh is exactly the same as the original'. If it's decided that the flesh-Doctor will be the one that dies in the first episode then that just makes the entire moral, basically, worthless. I think it'd be quite stupid to do something like that when it'd just ruin the point.

also, best line of the current ep:
"I thought I was going to die!"
Rory: "Welcome to my world."

good to see they acknowledge how often they kill him.

...Gotta agree with you there 

[Akonyl]

And, calling it now:

Spoiler:

doctor shot in the first episode is actually the flesh-doctor to avoid actually having the doctor get killed.

I would have said that apart from two reasons:

Spoiler:

1) It's too simple, the solution for this series is, normally, not so easily figured out and hardly ever so early in the series. Moffat, the main writer for this series, does lots and lots of overly complicated and timey-wimey things, the only way I can see this as the solution is if there's a twist that the Doctor dying is not the biggest problem, that there's something else that's even more of a threat...
2) The moral of this 2 parter seems to be that 'the flesh is exactly the same as the original'. If it's decided that the flesh-Doctor will be the one that dies in the first episode then that just makes the entire moral, basically, worthless. I think it'd be quite stupid to do something like that when it'd just ruin the point.

I was sorta joking on it, but anyway:

Spoiler:

1) if the Doctor that died at the beginning *is* the flesh, then it will probably be resolved by the next episode (which iirc is the last episode of this half-season), which leaves another half-season to have something bigger explained/pop up. I'm not sure the Silence are done with either, considering they were foreshadowed so much, only to "die off" in the first few episodes.

2) In spirit/mind yes, but they've also pointed out that the flesh can't exactly retain their form for an indefinite amount of time, so for all we know perhaps the fleshy one decided to do it of his own accord. I mean, if everybody agrees with the moral of "flesh doctor=real doctor", then we're gonna have two doctors running around, which I doubt is going to happen, so one of them will have to be dealt with somehow. Looking back at other times there were time lords: (Hand-doctor) got sent to an alternate dimension never to return, (The Master) ended up dying, (DoctorDonna) had to have her mind erased so that she forgot all of the past season, (The Master) ended up dying, again, (Flesh Doctor) has a hard precedent to beat if he wants to stay alive, well, and in the same universe.

Also for the resolution of this episode, I'm guessing that:

Spoiler:

the "real crew" aren't actually the non-flesh ones, as well. They make a point of having that one crew member sneeze throughout the episode (one time as the Doctor was talking about how they would be unstable, and ended up finding out that the flesh-leader was among them) and almost all the time, if someone is written as being sick, there's something up with that. Also, same scene, he describes them as being scared and disoriented just as the guy angrily smashes the house of cards.

Though I doubt this more, I feel like the Doctor himself may be flesh as he seems to have more prior-knowledge about this situation than he should have.

[kyuuketsuki]

I still say they are trying to circumvent the 13 lives 12 regeneration thing...

Spoiler:

It could be the flesh one, but I think it is a bit more complex then that. Having that be the flesh copy would just be Moffat coping out.

Otherwise, it was a decent episode. Though the Doctor's Wife blew it out of the water, because that was awesome.

[Charlotte-Holmes]

I'm just going to say that the show is very complicated despite the fact that it is aimed at children and nothing is as ever as it seems.

[Stopwatch]

I'm just going to say that the show is very complicated despite the fact that it is aimed at children and nothing is as ever as it seems.

I disagree with the first part of your statement; while it is partly aimed at children that is by no way the main demographic. For example, in the UK it airs on BBC1, the BBC's main and most popular channel by far, and for Series 6 they've now moved it to a 6pm timeslot. There is no way they'd do that if they thought the ratings wouldn't withstand it. Basically, Doctor Who has such a wide audience that saying it's aimed at just children is incorrect. The audience range has led to much of it's popularity and the fact it can have spin offs such as Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures ( ) and have them both be popular with viewers of the original program just goes to show that Doctor Who is not specifically aimed at children...
*sigh* That was a pretty long rant thingymajig...
Also, River/Doctor/Tardis OT3 is pretty much canon now... Whoop~! (though the Eleven/Amy/Rory hints were good while they lasted)

[Akonyl]

might just be me, but personally I'm really not a big fan of River Song. She was alright in the first episode she showed up in, but past that I haven't liked much of her.

[Charlotte-Holmes]

I know that it has a wide audience range since I am able to discuss it with people at school, but I have never seen the spin offs apart from one Sarah Jane Adventure which I believe is aimed at children due to it's simple plots.

[Stopwatch]

Torchwood has Jack Harkness in, that should tell you somewhat how unchild friendly it is.  My fave ships for it were Jack/Ianto and Tosh/Owen, not a fan of Gwen...
@Akonyl: It's the opposite for me, I used to dislike her but as we've seen more of her I think she's got somewhat better to me, still not my favourite character this series though, that goes to Rory and Eleven. The Tardis was absolutely awesome but I count her as a one story only 'cause the rest of the time we don't really see much of her characterisation...

[pofa]

might just be me, but personally I'm really not a big fan of River Song. She was alright in the first episode she showed up in, but past that I haven't liked much of her.

I think it's too obvious how awesome the writers think she is. It kind of ruins any chance of me thinking she's awesome.

[kyuuketsuki]

Torchwood has Jack Harkness in, that should tell you somewhat how unchild friendly it is.  My fave ships for it were Jack/Ianto and Tosh/Owen, not a fan of Gwen...
@Akonyl: It's the opposite for me, I used to dislike her but as we've seen more of her I think she's got somewhat better to me, still not my favourite character this series though, that goes to Rory and Eleven. The Tardis was absolutely awesome but I count her as a one story only 'cause the rest of the time we don't really see much of her characterisation...

What are you talking about? Torchwood is totally kid friendly! Especially the last season!

And I agree about Gwen, hated her. Don't know why, but her and her hubby rubbed me the wrong way. Tosh is win in my eyes. Owen was meh. And Jack was is no matter what.

Thoughts on Jack being the Face of Boe?

[Wolf421]

Well it could explain on how Face of Boe knew that the Doctor was not alone. Since jack was there himself. Though on his first appearance it said that the Face of Boe was pregnant.

[Stopwatch]

Wow... just, wow. That cliffhangar should not have been that epic, I mean, it's only mid season! This episode was absolutely amazing, some bits were predictable but still managed to be Tear Jerker quality and then the rest...
EPIC

[Akonyl]

Well it could explain on how Face of Boe knew that the Doctor was not alone. Since jack was there himself. Though on his first appearance it said that the Face of Boe was pregnant.

at the end of that season, they all but confirm that Jack is the Face of Boe anyway (Jack says that people used to call him the Face of Boe), though I don't remember the pregnant part.

Wow... just, wow. That cliffhangar should not have been that epic, I mean, it's only mid season! This episode was absolutely amazing, some bits were predictable but still managed to be Tear Jerker quality and then the rest...
EPIC

it's that epic because there's only one episode left until the show goes on hiatus until Fall.

also, I lol'd at the ending because of how much it defeated the purpose of the other parts ("Gangers are people!" *vaporizes Amy*), unless it turns out that the screwdriver doesn't actually kill people and they can be reconstituted later (in which case, flesh-doctor can be brought back to be killed still :V).

Also, at least this explains the whole face-in-the-walls thing (though, not exactly why flesh has the ability to see future things like the flesh-doctor mentioned to Amy), though still not who the hell she is.