Mafia Round 24: Disney After Dark (Subscription Phase)

[Commi-Ninja]

It's like putting a target on Camel's back. 

[Akonyl]

On a related note, whenever I saw it mentioned that PT was Chiba, my mind always replaced it with "Camel" because of how much she wants to die when she's Camel. 

[Schillok]

Yeah, taking arrest away from Takagi, Satou, and Chiba needs to not happen.  They have limited usefulness as it is until you can actually legitimately arrest someone; no need to make things more difficult.

PT, you need to write out that will you were going to write.  It was awesome. XD

Though, it won't solve the "the BO has to kill all police to win"-problem. Maybe the game should end when the BO outnumbers the townies, no matter what roles are remaining (and if they would be able to still win the game on their own)? There where some other things that were suggested already (failed arrests are no longer announced; arrested players can still be targeted by abilities or lynched), that were not included into this round that make sense.

Again, Satous detention in another ability we should reconsider. It is really annoying to get hit by it (you lose your night action, your day action and your lynch vote if you got detained during the night - and unless you get released immediately you lose another night action and another lynch vote too) no matter if you are town or BO and if it happens at a bad time you are too much out of the game even when you are released.
On the other hand, used on a townie it might randomly safe the townies life. Imagine it on a lover (yeah...), when Satous loved one was saved by lovey-dovey, she would just detain her love until they can use their ability again, making them unkillable unless Satou is found...
At the moment it does way too much, with no negative consequence for the player. Especially for a townie that ability is too strong (IMO).

About stake-out with an interrogation lover... well, this game it wouldn't have done much, since there is no Gin in the game... but the town could not know that until the end. Having Takegi and Chiba both with stake-out and arrest should be the smallest problem. Even when they have the same items (Maybe give one of them investigate again instead? So they are different again? Satou is also on stake-outs quite often.)

but also Pisco's erase crime which becomes a huge liability if Pisco becomes house-searched.

Hmm...hadn't considered that. But if the GM just says that Pisco erased Akemi's steal N1, it's more like betrayal so it's fine? I don't know what it would be currently, though.

Could work, but at the moment it is not in the rules that way. In this Round the house-search of Akonyl (Pisco) revealed our Akemi as well. In a  game where Pisco had erased crimes of 3 or more different BO members (Akonyl was tricked twice this game) this could spell the end of the game right away. Or at least give the town a huge, unpredictable boost.
Maybe we should consider reworking house-search instead? Just telling the officer which crimes were found, but not when and on whom they were used on? ("You found evidence that Akonyl killed someone, erased the body of a victim and erased evidences of another crime. You got him arrested right away.")


There are some other things that might be considered. Maybe make wills more of a dying message again, and not a huge letter with suspects and allies like they are now.
Yeah, I am guilty of loving to write them too, but maybe reducing what a player can tell the others with his/her death makes the game more exciting, especially when the games get longer and we want to have a reasonable starting number of BOs that are still able to somehow stay alive after 5 nights have passed (or at least: A few of them, without a huge town alliance in place already)...
So maybe reduce the allowed lenght of "wills" - to like pointing to an object, grabbing an object, writing a single name (with blood) or a really short note (like "Trust Schillok" or "Kleene dangerous!")...
Just a suggestion though, I don't know how much the other players like it when wills contain a huge list of suspects and trusted players.

[Edogawa4869]

...especially when jodie was given stake-out too (leaving camel as the lone observer :V)

You didn't see this because you didn't die, but here's what happened (This was in the Graveyard):

TBPH, it was an accident. Silver sent in the order for stake-out, and I, being extremely inattentive, didn't bother to make sure that she even HAD stake-out. So I had to change it.

[Akonyl]

...especially when jodie was given stake-out too (leaving camel as the lone observer :V)

You didn't see this because you didn't die, but here's what happened (This was in the Graveyard):

TBPH, it was an accident. Silver sent in the order for stake-out, and I, being extremely inattentive, didn't bother to make sure that she even HAD stake-out. So I had to change it.

xd

I was wonderin why I didn't catch that change until later

And, to respond to a few of schillok's points:
-I'm considering making Satou unable to use investigate (or, investigate less) while detaining somebody, to keep her from doing it too often. Though, with how I'm reworking Bribe, it's not exactly in her best interests to just randomly detain people.
-Lovers are an issue that can be dealt with later: Yumi's not makin an appearance in my round, at least.
-I'm already changing House Search to only reveal the crimes, not the targets. So a Kid-Eisuke, when house searched, will just reveal "He stole, disguised and discombobulated".
-I don't think anything really has to be done about wills.

[pofa]

Yeah, I was a little confused about the takagi/chiba changes, especially when jodie was given stake-out too (leaving camel as the lone observer :V)

I think Edo said that was due to a GM mistake early on, but I can't remember what it was.

If Satou has detention and investigate, she's probaby OK not to have arrest out of all of them, but I think Takagi/Chiba/Yumi should at least have an ability boost if they're not going to be able to do it.

[KangarooGirl]

@Schillok: Akonyl was arrested for attacking me and breva was arrested for attacking Kleene. Neither was house searched Unless you just meant the hypothetical house searching of Akonyl, in which case I see your point

@Edo: I was wondering why James was giving me stake out results from his subordinate

[Schillok]

@Schillok: Akonyl was arrested for attacking me and breva was arrested for attacking Kleene. Neither was house searched Unless you just meant the hypothetical house searching of Akonyl, in which case I see your point

But wasn't Akonyl tricked when he tried to attack you? He said that his killing failed, not that you were safed in some kind of way IIRC. So he didn't attack you in the end and you can't be arrested for an action that was prevented by discombobulation... The only crime that Akonyl actually succeeded in doing was erasing Akemis stealing during night 2. Which is why we assumed that he was arrested by a house-search. Which had a whole lot of other consequences attached...



And did Breva really attack Kleene? Can't remember...

[Edogawa4869]

And did Breva really attack Kleene? Can't remember...

Yeah, she did.  That was another (possible) GM mistake...

lyndsi used Lovey-Dovey on Kleene, saving her from the attack.  Because the rules say that Lovey-Dovey "follows the same rules as protect, but it will also hinder lynching, killing, sniping and even APTX," I told them that breva was the attacker.  Later, I get a PM from Kleene:

lovey-dovey doesn't tell you the culprit tho :x

Me: ....... *headdesks*

[Schillok]

So... and Akonyl was arrested for not-attacking hopeless? Though, the town should not have known who was attacked so something different must have happened during night 3...
That question is: What happened?

[Akonyl]

yeah, my killing wasn't protected/healed, I was discombobulated, so the action should've been treated as false so that I couldn't be found out/arrested for it. 

[Kleene Onigiri]

-I'm already changing House Search to only reveal the crimes, not the targets. So a Kid-Eisuke, when house searched, will just reveal "He stole, disguised and discombobulated".

Dunno how other GMs interpreted House Search. But it was already decided loooong ago, that house-search just reveals crimes (also blamed ones) and no identity anymore O.o"

[PT]

yeah, my killing wasn't protected/healed, I was discombobulated, so the action should've been treated as false so that I couldn't be found out/arrested for it. 

Actually, I think Hayley was protected. If Edo told you that the kill failed rather than telling you the target was healed/protected, then that's most likely a mistake. Unless shihokudo tricked you.

[Edogawa4869]

yeah, my killing wasn't protected/healed, I was discombobulated, so the action should've been treated as false so that I couldn't be found out/arrested for it. 

Actually, I think Hayley was protected. If Edo told you that the kill failed rather than telling you the target was healed/protected, then that's most likely a mistake. Unless shihokudo tricked you.

^ That was poor wording on my part.  ^^''  hopelessidiot was protected by bluekaitou1412 on Night 3.

[Akonyl]

yeah, my killing wasn't protected/healed, I was discombobulated, so the action should've been treated as false so that I couldn't be found out/arrested for it.  :-X

Actually, I think Hayley was protected. If Edo told you that the kill failed rather than telling you the target was healed/protected, then that's most likely a mistake. Unless shihokudo tricked you.

^ That was poor wording on my part.  ^^''  hopelessidiot was protected by bluekaitou1412 on Night 3.

You look around to find your poor hopeless victim, but she seems to not be in the space she was supposed to be. So therefore you watch the segway go into the wall with no one on it. You are quite mad at yourself. She should have been easy to kill, shouldn't she? You ask yourself.

Kill/erase hopelessidiot: Failed

:V

-I'm already changing House Search to only reveal the crimes, not the targets. So a Kid-Eisuke, when house searched, will just reveal "He stole, disguised and discombobulated".

Dunno how other GMs interpreted House Search. But it was already decided loooong ago, that house-search just reveals crimes (also blamed ones) and no identity anymore O.o"

it was decided that if, for example, I was house searched, it wouldn't say "You searched Akonyl(Pisco)'s house", but it still said that you'd learn of their crimes, which wasn't exactly clear if it revealed targets or not. And in Pisco's case, if they decided to show targets, it would say "Akonyl erased breva's stealing on Night 2", which would obviously out breva as BO (though of course this isn't an issue for all other crimes in the game which are generally used on both townies and BO)