Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[PT]

@Schillok: The way Kleene wrote it, the only one that would be able to stop a sniper in any capacity is Akai. With a regular protector (Ran/Makoto) or a healer (Okiya/Araide), someone would still die. In the case of the protectors, the protector would die, and with the healers, the target would still die. So if there's no Akai in the game, there's nothing to stop the snipers from having a night kill at all. So, in a way, that makes them a little stronger anyway. And I think she said they might still get to use their ability, even when injured, so that doesn't even take that away. (And I see Kleene RM'd me and took care of explaining this anyway....)

As for the ability name, I dunno. I agree that Bone Breaking seems a little weird, when we're talking about snipers here, but I don't have anything good to replace it with, so I dunno. (But you've explained that too, so maybe it's not as weird.)

The Okiya/Bourbon issue... Right now, Okiya has Detect/First Aid, and Bourbon has Detect/Identify, right? Well, if you want them to be more similar, maybe give Bourbon a similar ability to First Aid? Maybe something that can counter the ability Kleene suggested for Akai? That way Bourbon can heal the sniper that would've been injured, or something.

But here it's more like he follows the victim silently, notices the sniper and makes a falcon punch at him :x

I just wanna say that this made me giggle. XD

[Schillok]

Well, it's up to the GM I guess if they let the DB flee or they die. But since in DC, the DBs could actually really die, I prefer them dieing :x
But they won't be able to contact their fellow DB members. Meaning once "murdered" (whether they flee or die), they are out of the game

Well, if there is anyone who will not die in DC, then it is the Detective Boys. I mean... seeing it from the "author-reader"-perspective. If Gosho ever decides to kill someone from the cast (or more than one) I am 99.995% sure that the victim it will not be Ayumi, Genta and/or Mitsuhiko.

After reading the rest of the answers: It looks like you want to redo quite a lot of the rules. I did not know you wanted to make sniping unhealable...
Maybe I am just missing the big picture right now...

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, it's up to the GM I guess if they let the DB flee or they die. But since in DC, the DBs could actually really die, I prefer them dieing :x
But they won't be able to contact their fellow DB members. Meaning once "murdered" (whether they flee or die), they are out of the game

Well, if there is anyone who will not die in DC, then it is the Detective Boys. I mean... seeing it from the "author-reader"-perspective. If Gosho ever decides to kill someone from the cast (or more than one) I am 99.995% sure that the victim it will not be Ayumi, Genta and/or Mitsuhiko.

After reading the rest of the answers: It looks like you want to redo quite a lot of the rules. I did not know you wanted to make sniping unhealable...
Maybe I am just missing the big picture right now...

Yeah, quite a bit :V If it doesn't work out, it can be changed back again

Well, true that they wouldn't die. But so wouldn't half of the town and the BO wouldn't win :V
I mean, that the DB are in danger when facing the BO, but of course they wouldn't die in the story.

[Commi-Ninja]

I think trying to make mafia canonical is crazy.  It doesn't work in a fair, balanced way if we do that...

[Akonyl]

Well, the bone-breaking was more because of calvados. Since Gin was sniped by akai, but Gin himself isn't considered a sniper.
And the other snipers were all just panicking and not really injured when Kogoro was targeted :x
And if I take the example of Akai vs. Gin, Akai himself would need a sniper.
But here it's more like he follows the victim silently, notices the sniper and makes a falcon punch at him :x

While the normal protector would be near the victim, see a red dot at the head, jump in between and die X.x

true, true. But then you gotta name it "Falcon PAUNCH!" instead.


as to the sniper thing schillok, it actually makes the snipers more powerful, imo. It lets them bypass healing, and though the protector dies instead of the townie, a dead protector just means that a normal killer can do the killing the next night with less fear of being found out. So, it can be used as a way to kill protectors off without needing to know who they actually are.

as for not killing ayumi, psssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssh :V

I think trying to make mafia canonical is crazy.  It doesn't work in a fair, balanced way if we do that...

I agree, because if we did that then we'd need to have characters that are better than others (conan/shinichi, megure, and vodka would be worthless instead of awesome, etc). But, it's good to have reasons behind giving each character the abilities that you do, or else you could be like "Why does mitsuhiko have vengeance?" (well okay, not that weird an example, but the same idea )

[PT]

true, true. But then you gotta name it "Falcon PAUNCH!" instead.

....I like it!

I agree, because if we did that then we'd need to have characters that are better than others (conan/shinichi, megure, and vodka would be worthless instead of awesome, etc). But, it's good to have reasons behind giving each character the abilities that you do, or else you could be like "Why does mitsuhiko have vengeance?" (well okay, not that weird an example, but the same idea )

Okay, but now I want Mitsuhiko to randomly have Vengeance. Just because. Though, knowing my luck, I'd be the first one he used it on - and I would be town at the time, cause I'm always town. So maybe not.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

[Commi-Ninja]

What do you mean, Gin can't heal?

There went my whole mafia universe....

[Akonyl]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

[PT]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

[Commi-Ninja]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

Ah, that would be so much fun!

[Eve]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

Ah, that would be so much fun!

No it wouldn't , and GM shouldn't be involved in anyway , there bound to be "GM is Biased" mentality, and well, the GM will most likely be biased and not even know it ( POs for examples). So no, GM should remain the moderator, that's it

[Kleene Onigiri]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

Ah, that would be so much fun!

You guys are crazy XD

[Conia]

Yeah, you can't make it 100% canonical anyway. But it would be strange if Yusaku would get steal. While Gin get's healing etc.
We try to make it fitting the role, tho that sometimes doesn't work XD

there should be a round where all the names/roles are shuffled, so even when you identify someone as mitsuhiko, you never know, he might be Mitsuhiko, the Slanderer! And then he kills you the next night, Gin the detective boy. :V

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

Ah, that would be so much fun!

You guys are crazy XD

I beg your pardon, House Search Okiya-keibu?

[Akonyl]

That would be awesome! (Though, I think, to prevent the BO - whoever they may be - from having too big of an advantage, that they shouldn't know each other. The GM gets to pick the order of the killings, and each BO member is informed when it's their turn to kill.)

it wouldn't be *that* big an advantage to the BO anyway, as all it'd do is negate the DBs for the most part, so I think the BO should be able to stalk to each other still. Maybe one less member if it's decided it's too crazy. :V

You guys are crazy XD

Are you trying to exclude yourself from that statement?