Well, maybe it's the BO in me speaking but adding Hidemi really isn't a good idea for now, unless we can add roles to BO side also... I mean with the ratio of town against Bo, the advantage for being BO is establishing contacts with town, though not used as often as it should, with Hidemi in the game.... that would somehow hindered it... I think.....
What I'm saying:
Add a town role with such power, then you have to add a BO role with power to even it out
* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact
Night Action: Eagle Eye
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol
*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players. If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.
*Eagle Eye
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-Whenever a sniping takes place, Kir recieves a note telling her the identity of the character who sniped the victim.
I'd just also like to point out Kleene's idea, too.
Spoiler: Kleene's Kir
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact (maybe?)
Status: NOC
Night Action: Betrayal OR Special Investigate
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes (with Contact: no)
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol
*NOC
Role with that action: Kir
- She get's to know how many BO are in the game (not the identity)
- This way she also knows the number of APTX in the game (doesn't get to know if APTX was used or not during the game!)
*Betrayal
Role with that action: Kir
- If she decides to use betrayal, she randomly get's to know one activity of the BO that was done on that night. Killing/Sniping: Gin killed on that night or Chianti sniped someone. Slander: Gin used slander on that night Investigate: Gin investigated someone. Vermouth: Vermouth did one of her disguise actions. (maybe leaving that out?) Erase: Pisco erased someone. (useless, since usually you would know an erasing happened, but not if someone was protected.) Adding maybe: In case she got the "earsing" as a result and an will was erased, Kir will get to know the will (and maybe even the identity of the player that was erased) Detect: Get's to know that Okiya used Detect (and maybe which role was checked too, but without getting a result) Abduct: Knows that Irish abducted someone (not who tho) Spy: Knows that Irish used Spy (and maybe what players were spied on, not what role was found) Discombobulate: Knows that Vodka discombobulated on that night (not knowing who the target was) Steal: Knows that Akemi stole from someone (not who and what item was stolen) Black Suitcase: I prefer not to get her to know if someone use black suitcase and what action it was. SO no info on Black Suitcase
With Betrayal she get's to know 1 BO role. This can repeat, so she could get to know that Gin in in the game on night 1 and night 2 (since it's random what result Kir gets). She would also know if Gin slandered or not etc. Also helpful, but not too powerful. And she would know what role killed on what night. So, if Gin dies and she knows gin killed someone on night 1, she knows that the police doesn't have to try to arrest someone for the night 1 killing.
And special investigate. Although people don't like to have more investigate, I think with betrayal, it's a good combination for Kir. She can just use on ability at night, not both. Also, I have another ability idea, which I will write about later in this post ;p
And James Black is the only with special investigate atm. So, he's likely to be found out and get's Aptxed, since just haing 1 investigate is hard to hide from people. With Kir also having it, it would help James Black a bit to hide from the BO too.
@contact:
I like that idea. I thought about adding it too in my Kir version. Only doubt I have are, that she can ally with the FBI. And James Black aslo has special investigate, which could make a powerful alliance with betrayal and 2x special investigate. Or any other alliance too. But it can always fail, and the chance of getting a good ally is also not 100%
And I would make it so, that she can also contact Vermouth/KID in case he/she's disguised as one of the roles.
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Akonyl wrote:
So anyway, a compilation of what I suggest to be changed to existing characters:
Pisco
- When Pisco erases, the will is not shown in the thread, and Pisco gets to read the will.
- When Pisco erases someone close to Kogoro, it does not cause him to become Sober.
Calvados
- If Calvados's accomplice is lynched/arrested during the day that he assigns the covering action, or the night of the covering, Calvados will commit suicide.
Megure
- Megure loses the ability to Arrest, and must only use House Searches to arrest people.
- Either: Megure is given 3 house arrests per game (which don't cause suspension), or he as infinite House Arrests, which still cause suspension.
Takagi+Chiba
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Anokata
- Gains Blame: Night action, Anokata can choose to blame a townsperson for committing a crime on that night. Any investigations that investigate this action will come back as true, and the townsperson will be able to be arrested for this action as well.
- The action of blaming cannot be investigated ("Akonyl blames Kleene" results in a false even if I'd blamed her for sniping me)
- Vermouth cannot arrest people for blamed actions.
And for other things:
Kir suggestion:
Spoiler:
* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact
Night Action: Eagle Eye
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol
*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players. If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.
*Eagle Eye
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-Whenever a sniping takes place, Kir recieves a note telling her the identity of the character who sniped the victim.
Okay, I like all the new changes.
About Megure. So he loses arrest? I thought someone said he still has arrest. But he can only use EITHER arrest or house search per night? I'm okay with him losing arrest. Just asking.
So does Kir know the # of BO, or no?
"Well, a child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry... Do have much in common, after all..." - Tooru Amuro
Akonyl wrote:
So anyway, a compilation of what I suggest to be changed to existing characters:
Pisco
- When Pisco erases, the will is not shown in the thread, and Pisco gets to read the will.
- When Pisco erases someone close to Kogoro, it does not cause him to become Sober.
Calvados
- If Calvados's accomplice is lynched/arrested during the day that he assigns the covering action, or the night of the covering, Calvados will commit suicide.
Megure
- Megure loses the ability to Arrest, and must only use House Searches to arrest people.
- Either: Megure is given 3 house arrests per game (which don't cause suspension), or he as infinite House Arrests, which still cause suspension.
Takagi+Chiba
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Anokata
- Gains Blame: Night action, Anokata can choose to blame a townsperson for committing a crime on that night. Any investigations that investigate this action will come back as true, and the townsperson will be able to be arrested for this action as well.
- The action of blaming cannot be investigated ("Akonyl blames Kleene" results in a false even if I'd blamed her for sniping me)
- Vermouth cannot arrest people for blamed actions.
And for other things:
Kir suggestion:
Spoiler:
* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact
Night Action: Eagle Eye
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol
*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 8 players. If one player is FBI, Shinichi/Conan, or Eisuke, Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
- If Vermouth is disguised as any of the characters listed, she may NOT be Contacted.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), Gin (Abs.), Vermouth disguised as Camel (Rohoph), James Black (Khinkkun), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, Abs., Rohoph, Eve, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, or Khinkkun.
*Eagle Eye
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-Whenever a sniping takes place, Kir recieves a note telling her the identity of the character who sniped the victim.
Okay, I like all the new changes.
About Megure. So he loses arrest? I thought someone said he still has arrest. But he can only use EITHER arrest or house search per night? I'm okay with him losing arrest. Just asking.
So does Kir know the # of BO, or no?
With this one, no. With Kleene's, yes, under the status of NOC.
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Takagi+Satou
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
xpon is so cute...
Even Ayumi~chan and Sera~chan love to hug him.....
Not sure which I look. Kleene's version does look powerful. But Akonyl's Eagle Eye looks useless.
ESPECIALLY if the BO Serial Killer is added. Snipers don't have to kill...
"Well, a child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry... Do have much in common, after all..." - Tooru Amuro
xpon wrote:
Takagi+Satou
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Why Satou? It's Takagi and Chiba. Satou didn't do a stake out, did she?
"Well, a child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry... Do have much in common, after all..." - Tooru Amuro
xpon wrote:
Please chose Satou - Takagi!
or Satou - chiba.
dont let 2 male ... it must be female and male!!!!!
and acording to pisco -> kogoro.
well if the only family member being erased.. so that means kogoro is useles??
I think it's fine being two males. Observe is already a decent ability due to the fact that it can detect small children (who are 100% safe), and this also helps in the case that Vermouth is an Observer and knows someone can stake out.
for Kogoro vs Pisco, it would require pisco to be in the game anyway, and to know that the person is the family member too.
That is true about kogoro though, he's pretty useless until he's sober. I would suggest perhaps to make him have only a 1/3 or 1/4 chance to get the wrong answer, rather than a completely random thing.
as to Kleene's Kir, oh right. I just copied the first Kir I saw, I thought that was the last one. :V
I do like hers though.
As for megure, the idea was to just make him only be able to get auto-arrests via house search, and no normal arrests at all. House search is powerful enough as-is imo, if someone is a known BO member (or was interrogated as BO), you can effectively arrest them without even needing to know who they were.
Detective Tommy wrote:
Not sure which I look. Kleene's version does look powerful. But Akonyl's Eagle Eye looks useless.
ESPECIALLY if the BO Serial Killer is added. Snipers don't have to kill...
it's not my eagle eye, I've done absolutely ntohing to influence the current Kir incarnations.
Detective Tommy wrote:
Not sure which I look. Kleene's version does look powerful. But Akonyl's Eagle Eye looks useless.
ESPECIALLY if the BO Serial Killer is added. Snipers don't have to kill...
it's not my eagle eye, I've done absolutely ntohing to influence the current Kir incarnations.
It was mine. Well, sort of. I think Abs. changed it to snipers only, but I don't remember, and I'm too tired to look back to double-check.
Detective Tommy wrote:
xpon wrote:
Takagi+Satou
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Why Satou? It's Takagi and Chiba. Satou didn't do a stake out, did she?
That one case where she kissed Takagi comes to mind... Something about the axe murderer, I think?
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Khinkhun wrote:
If I have to vote, which I think should be how Hidemi's role will be decide on, I'm voting for Akonyl's version ,his makes more sense....
Kleen's version is too powerful it would ruin the game
Actually it isn't.
She gets one contact. Maybe it can't be James Black. Since James Black would be too powerful...
Then she gets to know one BO action per night. That's it.
If knowing the # of roles is too much, that can be taken out.
"Well, a child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry... Do have much in common, after all..." - Tooru Amuro
I'm just gonna post this again with kleene's version switched in:
So anyway, a compilation of what I suggest to be changed to existing characters:
Pisco
- When Pisco erases, the will is not shown in the thread, and Pisco gets to read the will.
- When Pisco erases someone close to Kogoro, it does not cause him to become Sober.
Calvados
- If Calvados's accomplice is lynched/arrested during the day that he assigns the covering action, or the night of the covering, Calvados will commit suicide.
Megure
- Megure loses the ability to Arrest, and must only use House Searches to arrest people.
- Either: Megure is given 3 house arrests per game (which don't cause suspension), or he as infinite House Arrests, which still cause suspension.
Takagi+Chiba
- Lose the ability to Investigate
- Gain Stake-Out: Night action, the policeman learns of all actions performed to a player that night. So, "Akonyl stakes out Kleene" may result in a PM of "Kleene was healed, and discombobulated", for example. If Abs uses the black suitcase to "interrogate" Kleene, the PM will simply state that Kleene was interrogated, not that she was interrogated with the Black Suitcase.
Anokata
- Gains Blame: Night action, Anokata can choose to blame a townsperson for committing a crime on that night. Any investigations that investigate this action will come back as true, and the townsperson will be able to be arrested for this action as well.
- The action of blaming cannot be investigated ("Akonyl blames Kleene" results in a false even if I'd blamed her for sniping me)
- Vermouth cannot arrest people for blamed actions.
And for other things people have suggested (not me):
Kir suggestion (Kleene version):
Spoiler:
* Kir, Undercover Agent
Prep. Action: Contact (maybe?)
Status: NOC
Night Action: Betrayal OR Special Investigate
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes (with Contact: no)
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol
*NOC
Role with that action: Kir
- She get's to know how many BO are in the game (not the identity)
- This way she also knows the number of APTX in the game (doesn't get to know if APTX was used or not during the game!)
*Betrayal
Role with that action: Kir
- If she decides to use betrayal, she randomly get's to know one activity of the BO that was done on that night. Killing/Sniping: Gin killed on that night or Chianti sniped someone. Slander: Gin used slander on that night Investigate: Gin investigated someone. Vermouth: Vermouth did one of her disguise actions. (maybe leaving that out?) Erase: Pisco erased someone. (useless, since usually you would know an erasing happened, but not if someone was protected.) Adding maybe: In case she got the "earsing" as a result and an will was erased, Kir will get to know the will (and maybe even the identity of the player that was erased) Detect: Get's to know that Okiya used Detect (and maybe which role was checked too, but without getting a result) Abduct: Knows that Irish abducted someone (not who tho) Spy: Knows that Irish used Spy (and maybe what players were spied on, not what role was found) Discombobulate: Knows that Vodka discombobulated on that night (not knowing who the target was) Steal: Knows that Akemi stole from someone (not who and what item was stolen) Black Suitcase: I prefer not to get her to know if someone use black suitcase and what action it was. SO no info on Black Suitcase
With Betrayal she get's to know 1 BO role. This can repeat, so she could get to know that Gin in in the game on night 1 and night 2 (since it's random what result Kir gets). She would also know if Gin slandered or not etc. Also helpful, but not too powerful. And she would know what role killed on what night. So, if Gin dies and she knows gin killed someone on night 1, she knows that the police doesn't have to try to arrest someone for the night 1 killing.
And special investigate. Although people don't like to have more investigate, I think with betrayal, it's a good combination for Kir. She can just use on ability at night, not both. Also, I have another ability idea, which I will write about later in this post ;p
And James Black is the only with special investigate atm. So, he's likely to be found out and get's Aptxed, since just haing 1 investigate is hard to hide from people. With Kir also having it, it would help James Black a bit to hide from the BO too.
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I still like stake-out being takagi/chiba, not *every* ability with multiple people has to be split M/F imo
As to kleene's being too powerful, I don't really see it as wholly powerful imo. And it's random, so who knows, the GM could fudge it to being the more useless info if he really wanted to.
Really, I think I'd need to see it in action before drawing a conclusion.
xpon wrote:
but what investigate key-word to check the Stake-Out?
ex:
xpon : conan
abs is takagi
and conia is gin
abs decide to stake-out conia and xpon want to prove abs
what pm must xpon send :
xpon investigate if abs Stake-Out conia? or
xpon investigate if abs investigate conia?
i hope investigating is the correct answer.. so it can help to blend the police and not expose them to APTX
you investigate "Akonyl stakes out Kleene", just like you investigate any other action. I don't see any reason for it to be camouflaged, after all, the people with the "observe" role used to be investigators, and you investigate them with "Parkur observed Sherlock3". And the thing about APTX is part of the reason I'm making them both males in the first place.
but adding Hidemi really isn't a good idea for now, unless we can add roles to BO side also... I mean with the ratio of town against Bo, the advantage for being BO is establishing contacts with town, though not used as often as it should, with Hidemi in the game.... that would somehow hindered it...
I think.....
it would ruin the game 
