Mafia Round 13 - Unlucky Days in Akonyland (BO wins on Day 1

[Abs.]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

[Eve]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

52 years old Abs. appeared

[Abs.]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

12 years old Abs. appeared

Fixed.

[Eve]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

52 years old Abs. appeared

Fixed.

Don't fix what's not broken

[Abs.]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

52 years old Khinkhun appeared

Fixed.

Don't fix what's not broken

I agree.

[Eve]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

52 years old Abs. appeared

Fixed.

Don't fix what's not broken

I agree.

I see, we're on the same page then

[Conia]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

12 years old Abs. appeared

Fixed.

You know you fit in xpon's range now, right?

[pofa]

Why I suspect pofa is Vodka:

First of all, it's certain there's a Vodka in the game.  PT posted this after Abs. was arrested:

Well, I now have irrefutable proof (for myself and anyone who trusts me) that Vodka is in the game. I was discombobulated.

*is somehow not surprised by this*

Obviously, that doesn't point to pofa.  This is what Sebolains sent me later on, after I accused him and PM'd him:

So, yeah, basically so far you have given me no reason to trust you, so until you can prove me your innocence I will not disclose that kind of information to you. Plus, I don't believe one bit that you are James Black for two reasons: (a) if you were you wouldn't think that I'm vodka, and (b) if you were you wouldn't so openly say so in the forums, because you would be APTX-ed impossibly quickly.

The last bit about the poison has been proven wrong already (See: Laurell/Camel).

What do you mean, proven wrong? The fact that you're NOT APTX'd after you reveal your role should make us trust you more? The BO still had/have APTX left yesterday, so Sebolains's concerns were valid and certainly not "proven wrong"--and yet you weren't poisoned.

I never actually believed Sebolains was Vodka, it was just part of my trap to say so. (Oh, and for the record, that's not the entire PM.)

The trap where you deliberately misled the town to lynch someone against whom you had no evidence? That trap, you mean?

So is this another "trap"? To accuse someone in the thread, hoping someone will PM you so that you can accuse THEM the next day, taking parts of their PM and bending them for your own use? And the town will just forget about what you said the previous day?

Here's what I got from pofa a little later:

I'm sorry to say this, but you're acting really suspicious on the thread. D: Why in the world did you reveal your role like that, since you apparently have some allies (since you all voted the same way yesterday) why didn't you just PM them??

I think you're lying about your role. I don't think anyone would do that.

But Kleene, who wanted to lynch both Yurikochan and JR (although she messed up with Parkur) trusts you for some reason. She says she's sure you're James Black. And she also says Ctu is trustworthy, although I dunno if I buy her reasoning.

And I told her this, so you may know already. But Holmes came back "BO" from an interrogation last night. D: I didn't bring it up on the thread because you got there first.

And tbh, I sort of still suspect you for making this up to protect Holmes...because getting a true investigation on a random player seems really convenient to me. And Sebolains doesn't even know the rules well enough to defend himself.

But there's a chance you're telling the truth, so I'd rather not lynch you either. I think we should have Ctu identify Seb today (as Vodka or as whatever role he tells you) and lynch the liar tomorrow. In the meantime, I think we should target Holmes.

I wanted to hear what you had to say about this before it comes up in the thread...

She's noticed that I have allies.  No big deal for another townie, but blatantly pointing that out for the BO to see.  That's beside the point, though.  And would you look at that: I'm DB proven per CTU.

EVERYONE noticed you had allies, Commi. How could you not, since you never said ANYTHING about lynching me on the thread and yet suddenly three people voted to lynch me? And if I was going to "blatantly" point out that you had allies, why would I not do it IN THE THREAD LIKE YOU JUST DID. Why would I send you a private PM about it? Why would I point it out at all? I could just PM the rest of the BO! YOU'RE the one who just posted that in the thread for everybody to see. I'd like it if you'd stop giving my words meanings that fit your own agenda.

As for being proven by Ctu, you claimed a role and were not APTX'd. Now I wonder if Ctu was killed to silence him, because you'd gained his trust and he was helping you lie even though he'd never proved your role! You were not on the list of trusted people in his will, and why wouldn't he have put down all the townies he'd proven? And now he can't argue one way or another!

Holmes was KID.  Obviously the BO knew that, since he was poisoned.  How they know is another question entirely.  Also:  How did pofa know about the interrogation?  As far as I know, the only way she should know that is if one of the alliance told her, i.e. her lover. (Not proven, but seems pretty likely to me.)

This doesn't make sense! If I had known Holmes was Kid, why would I have mentioned him to you as a possible lynch target if I knew I was just going to poison him anyway and prove him town?? To bring more suspicion on myself? What a great plan!

It wasn't a random investigation, either, as shown by PT's post that I quoted earlier. She really was discombobulated by Vodka on that particular phase.

Yes, she was discombob'd by Vodka; who says I was arguing about that? PT posted that list to EVERYONE, basically asking the BO to use it to their advantage.  But trying and getting a "true" result on a random inactive player? And it turns out I was right to be suspicious, because you didn't get it! So why are you even bringing this up?

"But there's a chance you're telling the truth, so I'd rather not lynch you either."

And who voted to lynch me that very same day?  None other than pofa!  (Along with her BO buddies, Conia and Sebolains, of course.)

Are you KIDDING me? This coming from the person who orchestrated a secret plot behind my back to get me lynched yesterday? I did not hear anything from you in PM or on thread about you lynching ME, buddy.

I've already said multiple times why I voted to lynch you, and told you to your face that I thought you were acting suspicious. You, on the other hand, spent the day presenting "solid" evidence against Sebolains that turned out to be a lie, while in the meantime getting people together to vote for me on a "hunch." So if I didn't come out and say "Hey, I'm gonna lynch you today" in the PM so that you could get people to act against me, sorry about that. NEITHER DID YOU.

And the second PM from pofa:

I didn't ignore it. D: And neither did Kain. We said it made you suspicious. So I really hope you're town now.

Yes, he could have been slandered. But we don't have a sure way to check that. We do have a sure way to check whether Sebolains is Vodka (if Ctu is telling the truth). Plus there's the possibility he will be arrested, and if the person with the highest lynch votes is arrested, there will be no lynching.

I hope I didn't make Sebolains decide against telling the DBs something by what I said on the thread. But I was serious about suspecting Ctu for asking for Seb's role instead of checking for Vodka...since it's also weird that Ctu openly claimed a specific DB role. Kleene says Parkur said something about Ctu being a child, but I can't find where he said that and she hasn't answered me.

We were discussing at first why I would throw my role around the thread so easily.  I'm surprised I wasn't poisoned, since they evidently had some left.

Yes, you've said that. Sorry, but I'm still skeptical.

Holmes being slandered doesn't matter if the interrogator is Kogoro.  He'd have to be sober to get any sort of useful result, and there's no evidence that he is anything other than drunk.

What are you talking about? I never said anything to you about the interrogator being Kogoro, and you never asked, so I don't know how you're reaching that conclusion. And even if he was, does that mean interrogation results should be ignored? How would you know whether a Kogoro was drunk or sober? Another hunch? You weren't interested in those results at all, instead you spent the day on a bluff and then tried to lynch me!

As for arresting Sebolains, there are no police officers left in the game to my knowledge.

And what knowledge is that? You know everyone's roles? Or is it yet another hunch? To the police that Commi's sure aren't in the game: I invite you to arrest me for discombob'ing PT, though you'll waste it if you do.

Also, why should we check Seb for being Vodka?  To show that he's not Vodka doesn't prove his innocence in any way.  He could still be another BO role, which is why I suggested he tell me, or later, the DBs.  It doesn't look like he contacted the DBs to get them to check on him, and he certainly didn't say a word to me.

It's a good thing he didn't say anything to you! You were LYING and trying to get him lynched, same as you're doing to me today! And maybe he didn't trust Ctu with his role because Ctu said he'd proven you on the thread, even though Sebolains knew you were lying about your investigation! (Another reason I think Ctu never really proved you).

Why does all of this point out pofa as Vodka?  Because if we waste time checking to see if someone else is Vodka, then we won't be able to check whether she's Vodka herself.

For goodness sake, to the DB(s) that are left: Check me for being Vodka. Or any BO role that Commi comes up with to cover her ass tomorrow when the Vodka result comes back false. Or did you not check Sebolains for being Vodka yesterday? Or conia, since Commi seems to be "sure" he's BO now too?

even if she isn't Vodka, I believe she's still BO.

HOW DOES ANYTHING YOU HAVE SAID POINT TO ME BEING BO? EVERY point you have made is a HUNCH or an OPINION, by your own admission! None of your points are based on any kind of result or proof--and Ctu, the one who vouched for your non-APTX'd role, EVEN THOUGH the he only lived long enough to check six people, the five trusted names on his will DO NOT INCLUDE YOU, and THERE IS NO SIXTH TRUSTED ROLE AFTER YESTERDAY, has NOW BEEN SILENCED.

Looking at all your "arguments" and your actions yesterday, I'm going to be very surprised if you're not BO. The town didn't go for your "bluff" yesterday, so now you're trying it out on me. Better luck today with it, I guess--at least if I die it won't be done in secret this time, and the town can decide for themselves.

[Kleene Onigiri]

If you're town and you know it, then PM me~ *sings*

[Eve]

If you're town and you know it, then PM me~ *sings*

Now that song will be stuck in my head

[PT]

@Akonyl

Oh good.  Thought it was just me.

12 years old Abs. appeared

Fixed.

You know you fit in xpon's range now, right?

Don't worry, I'll protect him from xpon.

I almost wish I wasn't dead right now.... Almost.

[Grawwbear]

...I wiped a raid PuG cuz of you guys. :V

[pofa]

I will probably be offline for a few hours, so sorry if I don't get back to PMs for a little while. But I will find a way to get back on before the phase change and I'll try to answer you before then.

Until then, I've stated my answers to all this, so.

[Kleene Onigiri]

[Vylash]