Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Abs.]

Look we already have townies who know all the BO players, all the BO roles, and sometimes their target.  Those people are called the Town part of BO/Town Lovers.

Hey, it's entirely possible even, that there are more than one pair of those in the game!

Leave Kir alone and stop powering her up.  You can't keep trying to make every new character the game-breaking Townie Hero.

[xpon]

nope.. with 30 player.. it can..

Mafia 1 = 6 people
Mafia 2 = 3 person
Townie = 21 person

[xpon]

Look we already have townies who know all the BO players, all the BO roles, and sometimes their target.  Those people are called the Town part of BO/Town Lovers.

Hey, it's entirely possible even, that there are more than one pair of those in the game!

Leave Kir alone and stop powering her up.  You can't keep trying to make every new character the game-breaking Townie Hero.

well.. i dont know to whom that sentence ABS meant.. but i'm not the one who desperatly want to add KIR..

its Tommy... i just gave idea!!!!!!

[Abs.]

It was mostly addressed to Tommy.  I was going to say that players should really play at least two rounds as a BO (and at least two rounds as a Town) before suggesting rule changes/ role changes/ additional roles but it looks like Edogawa's doing pretty good so far.

[xpon]

It was mostly addressed to Tommy.  I was going to say that players should really play at least two rounds as a BO (and at least two rounds as a Town) before suggesting rule changes/ role changes/ additional roles but it looks like Edogawa's doing pretty good so far.

good.. i miss understanding..

so.. sorry Abs.... sorry.. i suspect you!!!..


well.. is edogawa played before?

[Edogawa4869]

Thanks, Abs.  And no, I haven't, xpon.  I just learn these things pretty quickly.

What I'm trying to keep in mind is that we can't be partial to one side.  We can make a super special awesome Action for Kir, but it also needs a not-so-super special awesome negative consequence that benefits the BO or hinders the Town in a relatively similar way.

[xpon]

kir is not BO and not townie.. so if she can be the third party and can disguise ( like vermouth ) in BO.. it will be great.. so there will be 2 night killing.

but because KIR cant win if any townie or Bo alive.. she will try to play as BO.. while leaking info.. and in the end kill them..

but remember.. the Anokata will know if kir is in a game or not!

and @Edogawa4869...
do you want to join the next round?

[Edogawa4869]

xpon: Kir isn't, and probably won't be anytime soon, a third party character.  As far as I can see, we're trying to keep things pretty canon, and Kir trying to kill both Town members and BO members is a little bit iffy.

[Akonyl]

and imagine if xpon got KIR.. and knows the # of BO, # of APTX, What Roles.. And the target!!! ha ha ha

btw..

there is no way that 1 role will find out the killing target of BO at night right?

if there is a way to make it.. then KIR is the best ones.

ex: the BO will kill xpon ( Heiji ) in night 4.
but the GM will tell to KIR what target of to night! and she can if she want to sacrifice her self in order to save that victim!

just like the manga.. she dont really wish to harm innocent people right?

I am very much against this. Again it makes her too strong. Plus, it gives out other peoples' roles without their consent, and it weakens the BO.

I don't think a townie should ever be able to just know who BO will kill during the night. It goes against the spirit of the game, at the very least. Takes all the deductions and guesswork out of it.

not to mention, because the BO's target might not even be decided until an hour before the phase change, if Kir was to know who they were targeting and react accordingly, you'd need to split the night up into a "Night Phase" and "Kir's Protection Decision" phase afterwards.

Anyway, I'm fine with her being what she is suggested as right now, though I think choosing 5 players and requiring the contact to be FBI may be a little low (as in, low chance of finding a FBI in the pool), because it seems like right now all she is is a Sonoko who is interrogated as "BO".

[Abs.]

Anyway, I'm fine with her being what she is suggested as right now, though I think choosing 5 players and requiring the contact to be FBI may be a little low (as in, low chance of finding a FBI in the pool), because it seems like right now all she is is a Sonoko who is interrogated as "BO".

She's a Sonoko that's interrogated as "BO" because on the off-chance that she gets an FBI contact, it binds the town together that much more (lovers, Sonoko+friend, DBs, Kir+contact)

[Akonyl]

Anyway, I'm fine with her being what she is suggested as right now, though I think choosing 5 players and requiring the contact to be FBI may be a little low (as in, low chance of finding a FBI in the pool), because it seems like right now all she is is a Sonoko who is interrogated as "BO".

She's a Sonoko that's interrogated as "BO" because on the off-chance that she gets an FBI contact, it binds the town together that much more (lovers, Sonoko+friend, DBs, Kir+contact)

right, but then this basically falls under the same grounds as my complaints with Megure, where there really isn't an advantage to being Kir rather than being Sonoko.

[Abs.]

right, but then this basically falls under the same grounds as my complaints with Megure, where there really isn't an advantage to being Kir rather than being Sonoko.

Why should there be one?

At any rate, it's better than being Kazuha.

[Akonyl]

right, but then this basically falls under the same grounds as my complaints with Megure, where there really isn't an advantage to being Kir rather than being Sonoko.

Why should there be one?

At any rate, it's better than being Kazuha.

Why shouldn't there be? Admittedly, it's less of a problem in larger games than small, but the town shouldn't be in all ways weaker just becuase the dice decided they got takagi instead of megure, or in this case, kir instead of sonoko.

And it may be better than being kazuha, but kazuha's ability is at least completely different from Kir's and thus kazuha could actually be useful in situations where kir/sonoko wouldn't be.

[Abs.]

Perhaps Contact should be tweaked.  But remember that if it is a success, Kir has two separate townies that will receive unequivocal information from her.  Of course without the investigation it would only consist of PMs on the part of the contact, but still.

[Akonyl]

This is true. Perhaps if she doesn't successfully contact anybody, she can get some consolation prize, or perhaps, if she doesn't successfully contact anyone during prep phase, she may continue to attempt contact each night until she succeeds?