Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[PT]

So, we're agreed: Role it is, then?

No, that makes her character too weak.
I guess the player would be better.

Well if she's restricted to just those two actions (Contact and SOS) I see no problem with revealing the player's identity.  It's similar to being Sonoko's friend, except that the two parts of that are broken up (knowing the identity // giving out the notice)

It should also work like Sonoko's friend in that it would not work in the event of a sniper

I agree about the sniper part.

So what are her abilities?

- Knowing what BO roles are in the game.
- Contact
- SOS
- Investigation 1?

That sounds about right, provided Abs. has no objections to Investigation 1...

I would probably take off the Investigate 1, just because there are so many investigators in the game as it is (6 police, 2 FBI, 3 detectives and Gin) and she already has two abilities plus the "special rule".

[Abs.]

Whoa wait I don't see the "knowing the BO roles" in Edogawa's description 

Look!

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Possible Prep. Action: Contact
Possible Day/Night Action: SOS
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise:  ???
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 5 non-BO players.  If one player is FBI (Camel, Jodie, Akai, or James Black), Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts either PhoenixTears or Edogawa

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue on the first attempt ONLY, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.
-The Town member will not know if he was right or wrong in his (or her) guess.

I definitely DO NOT agree to her knowing the BO roles in addition to these two abilities!!!!!

[Detective Tommy]

Whoa wait I don't see the "knowing the BO roles" in Edogawa's description 

Look!

* Kir, Undercover Agent
Possible Prep. Action: Contact
Possible Day/Night Action: SOS
Interrogation: "BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: 
Items: Gun, Panties, Car Keys, Headgear, Alcohol

*Contact
Role with this Action: Kir/Hidemi
- In the Prep Phase, Kir selects 5 non-BO players.  If one player is FBI (Camel, Jodie, Akai, or James Black), Kir makes contact with ONLY one of them (chosen at random).
- Both Kir and the Contact know the other's identity.
Example: Kir (Detective Tommy), Akai (PhoenixTears), Jodie (Edogawa), Shinichi (xpon), Pisco (pofa), & Sonoko (Akonyl)
Detective Tommy Contacts PhoenixTears, Edogawa, xpon, pofa, and Akonyl
Result: Detective Tommy randomly Contacts either PhoenixTears or Edogawa

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue on the first attempt ONLY, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.
-The Town member will not know if he was right or wrong in his (or her) guess.

I definitely DO NOT agree to her knowing the BO roles in addition to these two abilities!!!!!

It was something Akonyl gave her when he thought of her role - long time ago.
I guess we could let her keep her special role and get rid of investigate.

This way:
- She gets to learn what BO roles are in the game.
- She gets to make 1 alliance.
- When she gets killed, her alliance will receive a hint about player that killed her.

[Abs.]

This way:
- She gets to learn what BO roles are in the game.
- She gets to make 1 alliance.
- When she gets killed, her alliance will receive a hint about player that killed her.

Too strong.  Pointless.  That makes two people (likely town) who will know all the BO roles in the game.  Okiya becomes just a cameo-hogger with a debilitating BO scent.

[Edogawa4869]

This way:
- She gets to learn what BO roles are in the game.
- She gets to make 1 alliance.
- When she gets killed, her alliance will receive a hint about player that killed her.

Too strong.  Pointless.  That makes two people (likely town) who will know all the BO roles in the game.  Okiya becomes just a cameo-hogger with a debilitating BO scent.

Ok, then how about if she knows how many BO members are in the game, like James Black knows how many subordinates he has.

[Detective Tommy]

This way:
- She gets to learn what BO roles are in the game.
- She gets to make 1 alliance.
- When she gets killed, her alliance will receive a hint about player that killed her.

Too strong.  Pointless.  That makes two people (likely town) who will know all the BO roles in the game.  Okiya becomes just a cameo-hogger with a debilitating BO scent.

Okay, if we take away her special rule, can she keep Investigate 1?

This way:
- She gets to learn what BO roles are in the game.
- She gets to make 1 alliance.
- When she gets killed, her alliance will receive a hint about player that killed her.

Too strong.  Pointless.  That makes two people (likely town) who will know all the BO roles in the game.  Okiya becomes just a cameo-hogger with a debilitating BO scent.

Ok, then how about if she knows how many BO members are in the game, like James Black knows how many subordinates he has.

Possible. Then she will most likely know how many APTX are in the game too.

[Abs.]

If you add anything to her role regarding knowing any insider BO info (roles, # BO, # APTX), she should not have the "contact" ability, period.

[Edogawa4869]

If you add anything to her role regarding knowing any insider BO info (roles, # BO, # APTX), she should not have the "contact" ability, period.

Well, considering that most undercover agents have a.) a contact outside of the operation and b.) secret information to divulge to said contact, this is going to be hard to please all parties...

[PT]

If you add anything to her role regarding knowing any insider BO info (roles, # BO, # APTX), she should not have the "contact" ability, period.

Agreed, that makes her way too strong.

What's the point in her having a contact anyway, if she has the info on the BO? If she knows what roles are in the game, for example, like it was said earlier, what's stopping her from just sending it out to everyone? Yeah, she'll likely be poisoned, but it'll still be a good help to the town. She doesn't need an early alliance at all, in that case. Even if she just knows the number of APTX or the number of BO (either of which would help figure out the other), that's plenty of information without her having an ally to share it with. If she dies, she just needs to leave it in her will (assuming she hasn't already sent it out to everyone).

[Edogawa4869]

Ok, then if we take out Contact, we're left with:

• Knowledge of BO Roles/Numbers
• SOS Death Action
• Possible Investigate 1?

[xpon]

and imagine if xpon got KIR.. and knows the # of BO, # of APTX, What Roles.. And the target!!! ha ha ha

btw..

there is no way that 1 role will find out the killing target of BO at night right?

if there is a way to make it.. then KIR is the best ones.

ex: the BO will kill xpon ( Heiji ) in night 4.
but the GM will tell to KIR what target of to night! and she can if she want to sacrifice her self in order to save that victim!

just like the manga.. she dont really wish to harm innocent people right?

[Edogawa4869]

and imagine if xpon got KIR.. and knows the # of BO, # of APTX, What Roles.. And the target!!! ha ha ha

btw..

there is no way that 1 role will find out the killing target of BO at night right?

if there is a way to make it.. then KIR is the best ones.

ex: the BO will kill xpon ( Heiji ) in night 4.
but the GM will tell to KIR what target of to night! and she can if she want to sacrifice her self in order to save that victim!

just like the manga.. she dont really wish to harm innocent people right?

You're right, there's NO WAY that would happen.  Besides, she has no Protect/Sacrifice ActionBut you are right in saying that she doesn't want to harm innocent people.

[PT]

and imagine if xpon got KIR.. and knows the # of BO, # of APTX, What Roles.. And the target!!! ha ha ha

btw..

there is no way that 1 role will find out the killing target of BO at night right?

if there is a way to make it.. then KIR is the best ones.

ex: the BO will kill xpon ( Heiji ) in night 4.
but the GM will tell to KIR what target of to night! and she can if she want to sacrifice her self in order to save that victim!

just like the manga.. she dont really wish to harm innocent people right?

I am very much against this. Again it makes her too strong. Plus, it gives out other peoples' roles without their consent, and it weakens the BO.

I don't think a townie should ever be able to just know who BO will kill during the night. It goes against the spirit of the game, at the very least. Takes all the deductions and guesswork out of it.

[xpon]

well.. what about KIR is a 3rd side..

she wont win until she kill all the BO and stay alive....

so she is in BO.. ( disguise as one BO member ) but as double agent!

so she must keep her ID secret from BOTH BO and TOWN.  just like KID.

[Edogawa4869]

well.. what about KIR is a 3rd side..

she wont win until she kill all the BO and stay alive....

so she is in BO.. ( disguise as one BO member ) but as double agent!

so she must keep her ID secret from BOTH BO and TOWN.  just like KID.

I don't think that we're going to get a third side any time soon...