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[Abs.]

Megure:

House search
Investigate 1

NO ARREST w/o House search

House search fail penalty still in effect

...how's that

[Detective Tommy]

While it's true that the downside to misusing a house arrest is pretty big, I still don't like the fact that there's no reason to prefer to be takagi/shiratori/chiba over megure, which is inherently bad in my opinion, as he's the only role in the game to be like that. This used to be the case with Akai vs Jodie/Camel, but Jodie/Camel were changed because they were blatantly inferior (also, because there were too many investigators, which is also the case with the police).

What were Jodie and Camel's abilities?

Also, so whats the update for Kir? Regarding scent, interrogations, abilities, etc?

[Detective Tommy]

Megure:

House search
Investigate 1

NO ARREST w/o House search

House search fail penalty still in effect

...how's that

His role seems crappy.

[Akonyl]

Megure:

House search
Investigate 1

NO ARREST w/o House search

House search fail penalty still in effect

...how's that

this is what I suggested originally, except he'd still have his investigate 3 before the house search failure.

While it's true that the downside to misusing a house arrest is pretty big, I still don't like the fact that there's no reason to prefer to be takagi/shiratori/chiba over megure, which is inherently bad in my opinion, as he's the only role in the game to be like that. This used to be the case with Akai vs Jodie/Camel, but Jodie/Camel were changed because they were blatantly inferior (also, because there were too many investigators, which is also the case with the police).

What were Jodie and Camel's abilities?

Also, so whats the update for Kir? Regarding scent, interrogations, abilities, etc?

Originally it was:

Akai: Spite-lynching + investigate 3
James: Investigate 3
Jodie: Investigate 3
Camel: Investigate 3

eventually they were all bumped to investigate 5, and then they were split up further.

[Edogawa4869]

While it's true that the downside to misusing a house arrest is pretty big, I still don't like the fact that there's no reason to prefer to be takagi/shiratori/chiba over megure, which is inherently bad in my opinion, as he's the only role in the game to be like that. This used to be the case with Akai vs Jodie/Camel, but Jodie/Camel were changed because they were blatantly inferior (also, because there were too many investigators, which is also the case with the police).

If I'm understanding you correctly, yes, I agree.

Megure:

House search
Investigate 1

NO ARREST w/o House search

House search fail penalty still in effect

...how's that

Well, the House Search penalty is what you suggested without House Search (Investigate 1 only).

* Megure, Police Inspector (Proposed by Abs.)
Night action: Investigate 3 1
Night/Day action: Arrest
Night action: House search
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear

I like Akonyl's suggestion with Investigate 3 better, myself...

[Detective Tommy]

this is what I suggested originally, except he'd still have his investigate 3 before the house search failure.

Then take away his arrest. Keep the House Arrest, and keep his Investigate 3. Just see how things go

Originally it was:

Akai: Spite-lynching + investigate 3
James: Investigate 3
Jodie: Investigate 3
Camel: Investigate 3

eventually they were all bumped to investigate 5, and then they were split up further.

Oh, that's way too many investigation roles... I'm currently thinking about abilities for Kir.
Any ideas?

[Abs.]

His role seems crappy.

New role!

Yuusaku: 

Night ability: Deduce - every night, he guesses a player name.  If the player is BO, they are automatically arrested!  If the player is not BO, it's okay, nothing happens! 
Scent: None
Interrogate: not BO

[Detective Tommy]

His role seems crappy.

New role!

Yuusaku: 

Night ability: Deduce - every night, he guesses a player name.  If the player is BO, they are automatically arrested!  If the player is not BO, it's okay, nothing happens! 
Scent: None
Interrogate: not BO

LOL, that is one powerful role.

[Abs.]

You mean thinking up powerful town roles without debilitating weaknesses isn't what we were doing here? 

[Detective Tommy]

Well, the House Search penalty is what you suggested without House Search (Investigate 1 only).

* Megure, Police Inspector (Proposed by Abs.)
Night action: Investigate 3 1
Night/Day action: Arrest
Night action: House search
Interrogation: "Not BO"
Scent: No
Disguise: Yes
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear

I like Akonyl's suggestion with Investigate 3 better, myself...

I think House Search should be given as a Day/Night action.
If the arrest (Day/Night) is taken away.

Also - keep the investigate 3.

[Detective Tommy]

You mean thinking up powerful town roles without debilitating weaknesses isn't what we were doing here? 

No, I'm trying to figure out Kir's abilities

[Edogawa4869]

Well, how about an SOS for Kir?

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue on the first attempt ONLY, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.

[Detective Tommy]

Well, how about an SOS for Kir?

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.

That's interesting...
But if she has an ability that only works when she dies - I find her too weak.

[Akonyl]

oh, also, another org thing:

Funnily enough, Bourbon's ability used to be the ability the DB currently have (Identify), but it was changed to what he+Okiya have now because identify was deemed nigh-useless for a BO role. But then of course, APTX came into play, making his old ability arguably better than the current incarnation.

So, I would suggest either reverting Bourbon's ability from Detect to Identify, or perhaps give bourbon the ability to choose between Detect and Identify during the night.

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue on the first attempt ONLY, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.

what exactly defines "first attempt"? Will the player have to PM their answer to the GM or something?

[Edogawa4869]

Well, how about an SOS for Kir?

*SOS
Role with that action: Kir/Hidemi
-When Kir is killed, one random Town member is given a note containing a clue to the identity of the killer.
-If Vermouth is disguised as a Town member, she MAY receive the note.
-Sometimes if the Town member deciphers the clue, an Auto-Report will be sent to a random officer.

That's interesting...
But if she has an ability that only works when she dies - I find her too weak.

Well, it's only an idea.  I could think of others.

what exactly defines "first attempt"? Will the player have to PM their answer to the GM or something?

Yeah, that was my idea.