Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[PT]

I suggest that Agasa should be able to get his bow-tie and watch once per game.

This way, he can investigate something once and protect himself.

PhoenixTears said that he should probably only get one invention so he isn't overpowered.

But otherwise, he's only a supporting role.

Well, he is just a supporting role O.o Ran and makoto can't investigate either etc.

the only "problem" with agasa as I see it is that everyone wants to be the hero. Agasa gives the town the power of an additional detective and protector (given that he doesn't give them to a BO), so in some ways he's actually a better character than others. But just because he's not the one doing the actual investigating doesn't mean he needs anything more, imo.

Yes, but I think it's hard for Agasa to find an alliance.
Without an alliance, he could be giving the bow-tie and watch to BO everynight.

I think he should be given the bow-tie and watch once per game, to prove someone he can trust, and protect himself.

Limiting each invention once per game doesn't overpower him. He could be giving the BO the inventions every night...

True, but that goes for the other protectors too. Ran could be protecting Gin every night. Who knows? I see the point Ako-chan's making though.

I think mostly it comes out of frustration for me. Like... Agasa doesn't do anything. It's not so much 'wanting to be the hero' as it is 'wanting to be able to do something even just once'. It's not nearly as bad as being Kazuha though because I really did feel like she was useless. (And she pretty much is. Even moreso now that she only gets to use her ability once per game.) Agasa at least can help other people out.

So maybe we shouldn't change him after all. I don't know.

[Detective Tommy]

The protectors could be protecting BO every night.  What's your point?  

Well it's possible for them to get the bow-tie and investigate at one point.
Agasa will only be able to give away his inventions.

[Detective Tommy]

I suggest that Agasa should be able to get his bow-tie and watch once per game.

This way, he can investigate something once and protect himself.

PhoenixTears said that he should probably only get one invention so he isn't overpowered.

But otherwise, he's only a supporting role.

Well, he is just a supporting role O.o Ran and makoto can't investigate either etc.

the only "problem" with agasa as I see it is that everyone wants to be the hero. Agasa gives the town the power of an additional detective and protector (given that he doesn't give them to a BO), so in some ways he's actually a better character than others. But just because he's not the one doing the actual investigating doesn't mean he needs anything more, imo.

Yes, but I think it's hard for Agasa to find an alliance.
Without an alliance, he could be giving the bow-tie and watch to BO everynight.

I think he should be given the bow-tie and watch once per game, to prove someone he can trust, and protect himself.

Limiting each invention once per game doesn't overpower him. He could be giving the BO the inventions every night...

True, but that goes for the other protectors too. Ran could be protecting Gin every night. Who knows? I see the point Ako-chan's making though.

I think mostly it comes out of frustration for me. Like... Agasa doesn't do anything. It's not so much 'wanting to be the hero' as it is 'wanting to be able to do something even just once'. It's not nearly as bad as being Kazuha though because I really did feel like she was useless. (And she pretty much is. Even moreso now that she only gets to use her ability once per game.) Agasa at least can help other people out.

So maybe we shouldn't change him after all. I don't know.

Kazuha's role is probably the most boring. Next to Sonoko.
Once they use their ability, they can't really do anything at all. Except Sonoko can wait for her BF to die and find out who did it.

It's up to you guys if Agasa should be able to get his invention once per game, I was simply suggesting it.

[Detective Tommy]

Anyone think we should add Calvados to the game? He'll have the exact same ability as Korn/Chianti.
BUT, if Kid steals his gun, then he has to suicide.

[Akonyl]

Anyone think we should add Calvados to the game? He'll have the exact same ability as Korn/Chianti.
BUT, if Kid steals his gun, then he has to suicide.

he used to be in the game, but was taken out. I'm guessing due to abundance of snipers.

and how could he suicide without his gun?

[Detective Tommy]

Anyone think we should add Calvados to the game? He'll have the exact same ability as Korn/Chianti.
BUT, if Kid steals his gun, then he has to suicide.

he used to be in the game, but was taken out. I'm guessing due to abundance of snipers.

and how could he suicide without his gun?

He did in the anime, right?
Akai said he took every gun from him, but secretly had one more.

You guys can always limit 2 snipers per game.
So a 3rd one, is not an option.

I just thought it would be cool, a sniper that suicides when his gun is stolen.

[Akonyl]

Anyone think we should add Calvados to the game? He'll have the exact same ability as Korn/Chianti.
BUT, if Kid steals his gun, then he has to suicide.

he used to be in the game, but was taken out. I'm guessing due to abundance of snipers.

and how could he suicide without his gun?

He did in the anime, right?
Akai said he took every gun from him, but secretly had one more.

You guys can always limit 2 snipers per game.
So a 3rd one, is not an option.

I just thought it would be cool, a sniper that suicides when his gun is stolen.

but without any benefit, a completely silly role to have if all it does is gimp the BO.

[Detective Tommy]

Anyone think we should add Calvados to the game? He'll have the exact same ability as Korn/Chianti.
BUT, if Kid steals his gun, then he has to suicide.

he used to be in the game, but was taken out. I'm guessing due to abundance of snipers.

and how could he suicide without his gun?

He did in the anime, right?
Akai said he took every gun from him, but secretly had one more.

You guys can always limit 2 snipers per game.
So a 3rd one, is not an option.

I just thought it would be cool, a sniper that suicides when his gun is stolen.

but without any benefit, a completely silly role to have if all it does is gimp the BO.

Fine, at night 1, he can check if Haibara is in the game.

[Detective Tommy]

I think we should discuss Kir/Hidemi.

* Hidemi/Kir, BO Traitor
Prep action: Meeting
Night action: Betrayal
Interrogation: BO
Scent: Yes/No (Not sure about her scent, what do you guys think?)
Disguise: No
Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol, Panties

* Meeting
- Learns what BO roles are in the game.
- Does not know Vermouth's disguise.
(I was also thinking, maybe she shouldn't know if Anokata is in the game... Since she's not that high in ranking?)

* Betrayal
- Every night, she chooses up to # of people (not roles) and one of those players will receive a hint that (BO member) is in the game OR (BO member) is not in the game.
- The person must be a detective, police or FBI to get the hint.
- If detective, police or FBI is not chosen, nobody receives the hint.
- If Vermouth is disguised as detective, police or FBI - she will receive the hint.


What do you guys think?

[Dus]

I still think it might be a good idea that she should be able to choose, say, 2 people who get the hint no matter what their role is. Because then the BO would be able to find out that they have a traitor in their midst. I also think she should have a scent.

[Detective Tommy]

I still think it might be a good idea that she should be able to choose, say, 2 people who get the hint no matter what their role is. Because then the BO would be able to find out that they have a traitor in their midst. I also think she should have a scent.

Well 2 people every night might be overpowering.
And okay, then she will have a scent.

[Edogawa4869]

Ok, since we've agreed on a scent, will she know about Anokata? I remember that question being raised earlier...

But which side would she count for in a victory? I'd assume that she's a Town role since she's a spy, but you never know.

[Commi-Ninja]

I still think it might be a good idea that she should be able to choose, say, 2 people who get the hint no matter what their role is. Because then the BO would be able to find out that they have a traitor in their midst. I also think she should have a scent.

Well 2 people every night might be overpowering.
And okay, then she will have a scent.

I agree with that.  I don't know about giving the hint to whoever, though.  I like the idea that it has to be Shinichi/Conan, Heiji, Eisuke, or FBI.  That's a pretty good group of people, I think.

Ok, since we've agreed on a scent, will she know about Anokata? I remember that question being raised earlier...

But which side would she count for in a victory? I'd assume that she's a Town role since she's a spy, but you never know.

I would assume Town as well.  It doesn't make much sense for her to be giving away BO roles, otherwise.

[Detective Tommy]

Ok, since we've agreed on a scent, will she know about Anokata? I remember that question being raised earlier...

Yeah, I asked xD

But which side would she count for in a victory? I'd assume that she's a Town role since she's a spy, but you never know.

Town side.

I agree with that.  I don't know about giving the hint to whoever, though.  I like the idea that it has to be Shinichi/Conan, Heiji, Eisuke, or FBI.  That's a pretty good group of people, I think.

Okay. How about she chooses 5 players and if one is Shinichi/Conan, Heiji, Eisuke or FBI then they will receive the hint. And if Vermouth is disguised as one of them - then she will receive the hint too.

Also, how about the same night. She chooses ONE player that will automatically receive the hint (BO member) is/isn't in the game.

I would assume Town as well.  It doesn't make much sense for her to be giving away BO roles, otherwise.

Correct, but it depends on Akonyl's decision.
Or whoever else started the game?

[Dus]

I agree with that.  I don't know about giving the hint to whoever, though.  I like the idea that it has to be Shinichi/Conan, Heiji, Eisuke, or FBI.  That's a pretty good group of people, I think.

But even in canon there's always a chance that she's revealed as a spy. Maybe we could add Gin and Vermouth to the group (and then maybe she could give out a hint to 2 people, to make up for that risk).