this is my final paper for my Japanese literature class (which was on modern japanese litature (aka isolated japan to japanese western interaction in the present) last term. I went into how the charcters in case closed /detective conan where influenced by the works of Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle and Edogawa Rampo (the father of Japanese Detective Fiction (it was such a pain to find info on him in English)). formed the bases for the charcters in Detective Conan. I know this is really long but please read it everyone. (P.S. I am sorry for posting a 10 page paper in one post)
Do not skip past the section on edogawa rampo otherwise this paper will not make much sense. the brilliance of Gosho Aoyama's character design Particularly in Richard aka Mouri Kogoro
The Domino Effect of Influenced Writers
“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth,â€
Meet Edogawa, the other half of Conan
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Your sentences are too short. I can go over this more thoroughly when I wake up.
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"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
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I am not sure what version of my paper this is exactly but every thing should be theredilbertschalter wrote: Your sentences are too short. I can go over this more thoroughly when I wake up.
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This is a 10 page paper? 
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You spelled Gosho's first name wrong too.tantei okuoku wrote:I am not sure what version of my paper this is exactly but every thing should be theredilbertschalter wrote: Your sentences are too short. I can go over this more thoroughly when I wake up.
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I would suggest splitting it up a bit, now it's just a huge amount of text, It will be easier to read then. And also it is in no way ten pages long, even with 1,5 intervals between the spacing it is only one and a half page. And even when splitting it up it will no be much longer. Since I guess some parts are missing now I'll read it later.
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To everyone wondering about the text, I think I realized the problem:
A few of his cite marking brackets probably got picked up as code by the forums and a lot of the paper got eaten as a result. The actual thing is still only around 6.5 pages double spaced with one inch margins though, unless more of it that I can't see was eaten (bibliography doesn't count towards page length, if did it would be more like 7.7/8.9 pages). I'll repost the whole thing below for the perusal of others:
[quote]“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth,â€
A few of his cite marking brackets probably got picked up as code by the forums and a lot of the paper got eaten as a result. The actual thing is still only around 6.5 pages double spaced with one inch margins though, unless more of it that I can't see was eaten (bibliography doesn't count towards page length, if did it would be more like 7.7/8.9 pages). I'll repost the whole thing below for the perusal of others:
[quote]“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth,â€
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"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
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Thanks for that clarification. Things are much clearer with this version. And yes, without counting the bibliography, the paper only has less than seven (7) pages of text. Then again, we're not really sure what the rules were in their class with regards to page length.dilbertschalter wrote: To everyone wondering about the text, I think I realized the problem:
A few of his cite marking brackets probably got picked up as code by the forums and a lot of the paper got eaten as a result. The actual thing is still only around 6.5 pages double spaced with one inch margins though, unless more of it that I can't see was eaten (bibliography doesn't count towards page length, if did it would be more like 7.7/8.9 pages).
As for the topic starter: Since my previous comments seem to be pointless at this point, consider them trashed. I'll have a new set of comments later.
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GRAMMAR, SPELLING, AND FORMAT
1. Though grammatically correct, some of the statements should have been rephrased for clarity.
Example: "This is due to many detectives being based off the great detective archetype that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle created when he created Holmes."
2. There is also a problem with the grammar in several of the statements. Some have misplaced punctuations, while some have the wrong verb tense. Some words have also been misspelled.
Example: "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s"
Example: "Shinichi also does a similar feet when he says this girl, that he just meet..."
Example: "...unlike his namesake his conclusion are generally wrong and are made to quickly..."
3. Some proper nouns have not been capitalized.
Example: "221B baker street, which is holmes’ apartment "
4. The spellings in some names have varied as the paper progresses.
Example: Lestride or Lestrade?
Example: Kasamori or Kassamori?
Example: Kaito Kid or Katio Kid?
Example: Aoyama or Aymona?
4. Parenthesis should have been avoided if possible.
Example: "However, he is still somewhat eccentric (like many geniuses)..."
5. Endnotes seems to have an inconsistent format.
Example: Arthur Conan Doyle, The complete Sherlock Holmes. (New York: Doubleday & Co. Garden City, 1930), 420
---> Author's first name is stated first.
Example: Davis, J. Madisom. "MR. MONK & THE PLEASING PARADIGM." World Literature Today 83, no. 3 (May 2009): 11-13. Academic Search Premier, EBSCOhost
---> Author's last name is stated first.
6. Bibliography suggests that the name is Davis J. Madisom, but your footnote refers to it as J. Madison Davis. Which is which?
7. Like what nomemory said, you should split up the paragraphs to make them more understandable.
CONTENT AND SUBSTANCE:
1. "Kudo plays soccer for his sport unlike Holmes who fences."
If Holmes' sport is fencing, then what is boxing for Holmes? Is it a sport for him or something else? That should have been clarified.
2. Who is Lestride/Lestrade? Not much background information is given to him when you started comparing him to Kasamori.
3. "However unlike Holmes, Kogoro has a family, who occasionally helps him out with cases. This is not to say that Rampo just followed the literary tradition of detective fiction that was set by western writers..."
The first statement already pointed out a major difference in Holmes and Kogoro, that being the fact that Kogoro has a family. So the second statement sounded somewhat odd for me, because the preceding statement already made it obvious that Rampo did not simply follow the tradition of Western writers.
4. Because Detective Conan is an ongoing series, I believe it would have been better if you stated that it has more than 700 manga chapters and more than 500 episodes, instead of saying that it is "currently 733 chapters long" and "currently 571 episodes long".
5. As a Detective Conan fan, you must be aware the franchise also produced 14 films at present. So why did you mention only the thirteenth movie, instead of all 14 films which all became successful in its theater screening?
6. If I can remember it well, Shinichi guessed that the girl was a member of the gymnastics team not simply because he analyzed her hand but also because he saw some marks on the girl's leg. If that's the case, then comparing it to how Holmes could tell he was an army medic by a mere handshake doesn't seem to be accurate. (I may be mistaken in this, however.)
7. Some observations and comparisons are being treated as if they were facts, when it shouldn't have been the case.
Example: "Moving on to Conan’s other love interest Ai Haibara (ç
1. Though grammatically correct, some of the statements should have been rephrased for clarity.
Example: "This is due to many detectives being based off the great detective archetype that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle created when he created Holmes."
2. There is also a problem with the grammar in several of the statements. Some have misplaced punctuations, while some have the wrong verb tense. Some words have also been misspelled.
Example: "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s"
Example: "Shinichi also does a similar feet when he says this girl, that he just meet..."
Example: "...unlike his namesake his conclusion are generally wrong and are made to quickly..."
3. Some proper nouns have not been capitalized.
Example: "221B baker street, which is holmes’ apartment "
4. The spellings in some names have varied as the paper progresses.
Example: Lestride or Lestrade?
Example: Kasamori or Kassamori?
Example: Kaito Kid or Katio Kid?
Example: Aoyama or Aymona?
4. Parenthesis should have been avoided if possible.
Example: "However, he is still somewhat eccentric (like many geniuses)..."
5. Endnotes seems to have an inconsistent format.
Example: Arthur Conan Doyle, The complete Sherlock Holmes. (New York: Doubleday & Co. Garden City, 1930), 420
---> Author's first name is stated first.
Example: Davis, J. Madisom. "MR. MONK & THE PLEASING PARADIGM." World Literature Today 83, no. 3 (May 2009): 11-13. Academic Search Premier, EBSCOhost
---> Author's last name is stated first.
6. Bibliography suggests that the name is Davis J. Madisom, but your footnote refers to it as J. Madison Davis. Which is which?
7. Like what nomemory said, you should split up the paragraphs to make them more understandable.
CONTENT AND SUBSTANCE:
1. "Kudo plays soccer for his sport unlike Holmes who fences."
If Holmes' sport is fencing, then what is boxing for Holmes? Is it a sport for him or something else? That should have been clarified.
2. Who is Lestride/Lestrade? Not much background information is given to him when you started comparing him to Kasamori.
3. "However unlike Holmes, Kogoro has a family, who occasionally helps him out with cases. This is not to say that Rampo just followed the literary tradition of detective fiction that was set by western writers..."
The first statement already pointed out a major difference in Holmes and Kogoro, that being the fact that Kogoro has a family. So the second statement sounded somewhat odd for me, because the preceding statement already made it obvious that Rampo did not simply follow the tradition of Western writers.
4. Because Detective Conan is an ongoing series, I believe it would have been better if you stated that it has more than 700 manga chapters and more than 500 episodes, instead of saying that it is "currently 733 chapters long" and "currently 571 episodes long".
5. As a Detective Conan fan, you must be aware the franchise also produced 14 films at present. So why did you mention only the thirteenth movie, instead of all 14 films which all became successful in its theater screening?
6. If I can remember it well, Shinichi guessed that the girl was a member of the gymnastics team not simply because he analyzed her hand but also because he saw some marks on the girl's leg. If that's the case, then comparing it to how Holmes could tell he was an army medic by a mere handshake doesn't seem to be accurate. (I may be mistaken in this, however.)
7. Some observations and comparisons are being treated as if they were facts, when it shouldn't have been the case.
Example: "Moving on to Conan’s other love interest Ai Haibara (ç
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Do I have evidence for a lot of my arguments, no. it is kinda of hard to find info on a japanese author with 10 or 12 short stories published in the us. and a japanese cult classic comic (in most americans eyes) series. I said Agasa is not a watson charcter because he rarely goes to crime scenes with conan and rarely comments on cases. he is used more to help shinichi live with being conan if you get what I mean. Ran is used as a doctor watson charter a lot more. when I was writing this paper the 14th movie was not announced yet. also boxing is training (for fighting) and a way to make extra money for holmes. also shinichi originally said that she was a gymnanist due to the callous on her hands, it is only when ran press him that it could be she is on the tennis team that he mentions the bar mark on her legs, and that is written (in some part for fan service). so it is perfectly fine to make that comparison. finally the teacher said I needed an author for the ANN article, so I used the one who originally wrote the article.
P.S. due to footnotes this acutally was 10 pages long with the actual paper ending half way through the ninth page.
P.S. due to footnotes this acutally was 10 pages long with the actual paper ending half way through the ninth page.
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That's understandable, though I think you should have modified the words a bit in order to show that you are stating arguments. My problem with the statements I questioned is that it sounded as if you were stating facts.tantei okuoku wrote: Do I have evidence for a lot of my arguments, no. it is kinda of hard to find info on a japanese author with 10 or 12 short stories published in the us. and a japanese cult classic comic (in most americans eyes) series.
I went back in your paper, and I couldn't find the statement where you said Dr. Agasa is not a Watson character. Still, your insight on Ran as a Watson character is still quite interesting for me. I actually liked the comparison.tantei okuoku wrote: I said Agasa is not a watson charcter because he rarely goes to crime scenes with conan and rarely comments on cases. he is used more to help shinichi live with being conan if you get what I mean. Ran is used as a doctor watson charter a lot more.
So there were only 13 movies then. But why single out the thirteenth movie, instead of stating that the franchise had released 13 films at that time? Was it a problem in the references?tantei okuoku wrote:when I was writing this paper the 14th movie was not announced yet.
Ah, that makes sense. That should have been clarified in the paper, though.tantei okuoku wrote:also boxing is training (for fighting) and a way to make extra money for holmes.
Probably so, but it still showed he didn't make the deduction by the handshake alone.tantei okuoku wrote:also shinichi originally said that she was a gymnanist due to the callous on her hands, it is only when ran press him that it could be she is on the tennis team that he mentions the bar mark on her legs, and that is written (in some part for fan service). so it is perfectly fine to make that comparison.
How sure are you that Kogyo Tsushinsha is a person, to begin with? Couldn't it be possible that this was the name of the site from which the information was acquired, instead of an actual human author?tantei okuoku wrote:finally the teacher said I needed an author for the ANN article, so I used the one who originally wrote the article.
And even if Kogyo Tsushinsha is indeed a human, he still didn't write the article. The article was written by someone from ANN. Kogyo Tsushinsha is not someone from ANN, but is only the original source of the information. And when you go to the link for Kogyo Tsushinsha, you'll see that it didn't present an article but instead a table.
If your teacher insisted to have an author, I think it should have been asserted that the article did not specify an author. After all, this is not the only article that didn't specify who the author is. It's not your fault that you can't supply an author, because ANN never stated who the author is anyway. As such, no author should have been stated. I'm not so sure, but I think there are extra rules with regards to cases like this.
That's true.tantei okuoku wrote:P.S. due to footnotes this acutally was 10 pages long with the actual paper ending half way through the ninth page.
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the thirteenths was the easiest to cite and the most popular recent conan movie that ANN actually had data on. the teacher insisted on a name so I gave her a name, ANN is still the one getting credit. also my teacher kept asking me to slim down my paper as it was so I could not get in every detail I wanted to. and he could have gotten close at least with just the hand shake.