Mafia Round 12 - Bear Round! (Day Five...??)

[Schillok]

Hmm.
Well, then I'll go in medias res. I'm an Investigator [Note: We specified "Investigator" as anyone who gathers information, Ai etc. included]. If you are also an Investigator and are able to "investigate", I'd suggest that we investigate each other. I don't know if you're able to or if you'll still read this, I'll do so anyway.

Callid, Investigator 

I did so and investigated whether Schillok investigated me. I got a "true". So, either Schillok investigated or used the Black Suitcase to do so. But there's even something more about the Black Suitcase: first, I didn't get in contact with Schillok before around 0:00 European time (from now on, all times are German army time), so the BO leader couldn't give him the Black Suitcase in advance. However, even if Schillok had got it anyway: This message was sent at 3:28. Day/Night change is at 6:00. So Schillok had to be on at some time between 3:28 and 6:00 to change his BS-action accordingly. However, he did talk with me at 1:06, so it's pretty unlikely that he woke up before 6:00. Of course, it might be he went to bed later than 3:28, but he did post here again at 9:20 and continued to post almost all of the German day until now. So, if he doesn't time his life after Mafia, it's pretty unlikely that he read my message and could still react - not to mention that he needed to have the BS to begin with (Vermouth is of course also a possibility, but I don't consider it very likely).
It also fits the image perfectly that he claims to be police, who can investigate, which also means he has no way of talking himself out if he's followed.

Therefore I'm pretty sure that he's town - and I haven't even mentioned the things that led me to contact him to begin with, which also point to him being town.

Yes, I was asleep when you sent that last PM. And I didn't contact you yet because - if you are BO - you might not have the Black Suitcase to fake an investigation tomorrow.
Like you suspected later: I was investigating you doing something else. Pretty much by chance. I didn't even realize until now you were investigating me investigating you.

If the day would have gone normally I would have contacted you tomorrow. Well... so if you are BO you now know that you might need the Suitcase. If I survive.

Tbh, I don't see the reason for talking in german (to make quoting harder at least) if both of you can just translate it anyway, aside from it maybe being quicker.

The idea was that if one of us is BO, he would have to translate it for the other BO people. Which would take him some time, so he would be slower answering to PMs.

So you just want us to abstain? Even if the BO doesn't vote for you, it'll probably be another townie that "randomly" dies.

It might be a townie that dies. But it might also be a BO if they are not careful. Or it might be a draw and noone dies.
However, lynching me will definitely kill a townie.
If I die in the end anyway and it turns out I am a town, then the less people voted for me the more likely it becomes that the remaining ones are BO.

And what did you just happen to investigate him doing, investigating you?

I mean, I'm willing to believe one person getting a coincidental "true" on night 1, but forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of two people getting coincidental "trues" on the same person on night 1.

Like Abs. said in his will: He sent PMs to me and Kleene. Later Kleene contacted me as well. And since it is not a secret anymore... here is the PM:

Well, I would prefer not to expose myself so early as well. On the other hand, I guess you will have a harder time trusting me...
Okay, for starters: Some other person contacted me as well, saying that he/she would investigate me as well. Don't know what to investigate though...

So... you two could investigate each other if you want. If you agree to that, so at least you can find out if that person was telling the truth.
Could be dangerous though. Chances are one of you two is BO (Vermouth or Gin). On the other hand if we are all town, 2 investigators (and me) doesn't sound bad either.
Tell me what you think, so I can contact that person. 

It's ok I can't blame people for not trusting me And with some roles it's hard to do that too anyway.

Some person contacted me too. Was it Abs.? ;p He said he'll investigate me too (with his 1. PM to me lol XD) SO I'll investigate if he investigates me anyway.

If it's not Abs. then I can still go for the other person too. You could ask him/her first too if he want's to investigate me and that I investigate him. I don't mind if you say I can investigate

At that point I was not sure if I should tell I can investigate or not. Later I decided to tell.
 

[nomemory]

Yeah, I skimmed everything that was said and I say we trust the Abs. man.
We lynch Schillok. Then we lynch Callid/Akonyl. Then we lynch nomemory. Problem solved.

Could you tell me your bases for wanting to kill Callid, Akonyl, and Nomemory? and maybe you would want to defend yourself against the people that are accusing you.

Exactly my point. Duh.

I dunno about nomemory, but I would say he's jealous of neither of us having died yet.

If that is his reason for you two and I'm last on the list the reason for me must be pretty small/weird indeed.

[Commi-Ninja]

Yeah, I skimmed everything that was said and I say we trust the Abs. man.
We lynch Schillok. Then we lynch Callid/Akonyl. Then we lynch nomemory. Problem solved.

Could you tell me your bases for wanting to kill Callid, Akonyl, and Nomemory? and maybe you would want to defend yourself against the people that are accusing you.

Exactly my point. Duh.

I dunno about nomemory, but I would say he's jealous of neither of us having died yet.

Oh, yeah, you've made it all the way to Day 2!  I'm shocked!

[TheBlind]

Although even then, as I pointed out above, BS is unlikely.

Also, of course, I can't prove that I'm town either, except via investigating. You can freely interrogate me, though we haven't found a dead Gin yet, or follow me as well; but apart from that, I can't do anything, except arresting someone for something, but I don't even have clues, so yeah...

As far as suspecting someone is concerned, TheBlind is on top of my list. However, I don't have any concrete evidence, it's just three things that bugs me:
a) His constant quoting of songs and poems. It feels as if he don't want to speak on his own, cause it might give something away.
b) He asked for more risk on Night 1. That's exactly what the BO wants!
c) He also claimed Khinkun had told him "something about" unicorns. He didn't specify how he said that, which is VERY strange IMO, and not to mention that the whole unicorn thing was a joke on Akonyl's behalf.

Nonetheless, I have no solid evidence (and probably won't get any soon), I can only tell he didn't kill Schillok on Night 1. Duh. So, if you have any stronger reason to suspect someone, bring it forward! TheBlind is, even IMO, only a last option!

The B.O. must be loosing their minds trying to figure out what I am up too, . They might be so crazy that they would even resort to try and get me lynched so they don't was to waste a kill on a possible miss. .

Yeah, I skimmed everything that was said and I say we trust the Abs. man.
We lynch Schillok. Then we lynch Callid/Akonyl. Then we lynch nomemory. Problem solved.

Could you tell me your bases for wanting to kill Callid, Akonyl, and Nomemory? and maybe you would want to defend yourself against the people that are accusing you.

Yeah, I skimmed everything that was said and I say we trust the Abs. man.
We lynch Schillok. Then we lynch Callid/Akonyl. Then we lynch nomemory. Problem solved.

Could you tell me your bases for wanting to kill Callid, Akonyl, and Nomemory? and maybe you would want to defend yourself against the people that are accusing you.

Exactly my point. Duh.

I dunno about nomemory, but I would say he's jealous of neither of us having died yet.

And the flood gates open as expected, .
This must be salivation at the opportunity the town will do their job for them.
Yeah, I rather just let things play out. If people try to lynch me and it fails, it proves a certain thing about me. If people try to lynch me and it works, then my role is proven to be town and my will gets revealed.

Also Callid, what are you going to do when they find out?
Are you going to shield yourself behind the "I said I really didn't have evidence. I can't be held responsible that I was wrong".

Too much planning just becomes a mess when you add the human factor into it. You can never plan for that.

[Akonyl]

It might be a townie that dies. But it might also be a BO if they are not careful. Or it might be a draw and noone dies.
However, lynching me will definitely kill a townie.
If I die in the end anyway and it turns out I am a town, then the less people voted for me the more likely it becomes that the remaining ones are BO.

lynching you as a townie would be most unfortunate

And what did you just happen to investigate him doing, investigating you?

I mean, I'm willing to believe one person getting a coincidental "true" on night 1, but forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of two people getting coincidental "trues" on the same person on night 1.

Like Abs. said in his will: He sent PMs to me and Kleene. Later Kleene contacted me as well. And since it is not a secret anymore... here is the PM:
-snip-
At that point I was not sure if I should tell I can investigate or not. Later I decided to tell.
 

hm, well if you both set it up beforehand then I guess. I still think it's somewhat coincidental that the people who abs pointed out as suspicious (well, one, but another he contacted) happen to contact each other, but that can happen.

[Callid]

Also Callid, what are you going to do when they find out?
Are you going to shield yourself behind the "I said I really didn't have evidence. I can't be held responsible that I was wrong".

Too much planning just becomes a mess when you add the human factor into it. You can never plan for that.

Nope, I don't intend to shield me behind that. That was the reason I said it's only the last alternative. If anyone has any concrete evidence, I had preferred that to lynching you (notice the "had"). However, your response - and even your second response - only deepen my doubt in you. You did not try to counterattack. You did not try to bring up any evidence proving your innocence, although there should be at least some. You did not point out that there might be other members in an alliance that could prove or at least give hints about your innocence (mind you, you didn't even have to NAME them). Heck, you didn't even react to it at first!
And now, the only thing you do is say "You'll regret it if you kill me.", and you even try to frighten me that I might be killed if you're town. As if I didn't know! You only don't want to admit that you don't have evidence, cause there couldn't be any to begin with, you don't want to admit that you don't have allies, cause the BO didn't want you to be the one to get in contact with the town, and you didn't react at first at all, because you hoped it would be ignored! You want to get out of it the cheap way, without any of the above, just with a few "wise quotes", trying to act supersmart! I didn't  forget that the one who gave me the idea to keep track of suspicious actions were yourself, and it DID work!

[Grawwbear]

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[nomemory]

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Omg! I'm shocked. Epic fail here.

Just kidding =)

[Kleene Onigiri]

It might be a townie that dies. But it might also be a BO if they are not careful. Or it might be a draw and noone dies.
However, lynching me will definitely kill a townie.
If I die in the end anyway and it turns out I am a town, then the less people voted for me the more likely it becomes that the remaining ones are BO.

lynching you as a townie would be most unfortunate

And what did you just happen to investigate him doing, investigating you?

I mean, I'm willing to believe one person getting a coincidental "true" on night 1, but forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of two people getting coincidental "trues" on the same person on night 1.

Like Abs. said in his will: He sent PMs to me and Kleene. Later Kleene contacted me as well. And since it is not a secret anymore... here is the PM:
-snip-
At that point I was not sure if I should tell I can investigate or not. Later I decided to tell.
 

hm, well if you both set it up beforehand then I guess. I still think it's somewhat coincidental that the people who abs pointed out as suspicious (well, one, but another he contacted) happen to contact each other, but that can happen.

I usually contact Schillok early or Schillok contacts me instead D: Hoping he doesn't die early. Same with contacting Akonyl early ;p

Due to unforeseen circumstances, Mafia Round 12 Day Two will be delayed by 10 minutes.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! D:

[Holmes]

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Wow, it´s too much ... just kidding! :p No prob for me.

[nomemory]

Time to but I'll be back

[Commi-Ninja]

Due to unforeseen circumstances, the results of Mafia Round 12 Day Two will be delayed by 10 minutes.

By the way, Rohoph, your new avatar is awesome.

[Akonyl]

I usually contact Schillok early or Schillok contacts me instead D: Hoping he doesn't die early. Same with contacting Akonyl early ;p

so it's one of those pre-game alliance things eh?

and sure, you usually contact me (or me you), but I never actually end up telling you anything most of the time. :V

[Kleene Onigiri]

I usually contact Schillok early or Schillok contacts me instead D: Hoping he doesn't die early. Same with contacting Akonyl early ;p

so it's one of those pre-game alliance things eh?

and sure, you usually contact me (or me you), but I never actually end up telling you anything most of the time. :V

no, not pre-game ally. I'm not someone who does that. I just choose some people to contact with. But in the last games more people contact me first too. So yeah ;p

And you never tell me anything yep, but you also were DB 3x in a  row ;p And didn't survive long enough to try to trust someone too

[Akonyl]

I usually contact Schillok early or Schillok contacts me instead D: Hoping he doesn't die early. Same with contacting Akonyl early ;p

so it's one of those pre-game alliance things eh?

and sure, you usually contact me (or me you), but I never actually end up telling you anything most of the time. :V

no, not pre-game ally. I'm not someone who does that. I just choose some people to contact with. But in the last games more people contact me first too. So yeah ;p

And you never tell me anything yep, but you also were DB 3x in a  row ;p And didn't survive long enough to try to trust someone too

I question what the difference is between "always contacting the same person night 1" and pre-game allies.

and there is that, but I wouldn't have told you much anyway.