Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 1:48 pm

well if abs wants to change stuff he should say what it is.

as far as snipers, I say something like there are three abilities:
1) Deadly Sniper - Can negate the effects of healing/first aid on the kill target (as the target instantly dies and has no time to be saved)
2) Quick Sniper - Can negate the effects of protecting(Ran,Makoto,Wristwatch) on the target (so, this is the current version of the sniper)
3) Prepared Sniper - Will always attempt to kill the target, regardless of being tricked or arrested during that phase.

Then, because we have three roles, we can give each role a certain version, so Chianti (Deadly Sniper), Calvados (Quick Sniper), and Korn (Prepared Sniper). And if we decide for some reason they're not powerful enough, we can always give each of them 2 of the 3 roles, making them still unique.

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » July 10th, 2010, 4:24 pm

Here it is so far.

General rules
- If you play in this game with more than one username, both usernames will be banned from this and all future Mafia games that are GMed by Abs. Since it is also against forum rules to have multiple accounts, at least one of the accounts will also be deleted.
- Don't ask the GM for information about other players' roles or try to influence moderator tasks (e.g. ask them to not give certain hints). It is frowned upon.
- You may not copy/quote/screenshot etc. the PM from the GM to prove your role to someone else. But you can claim to be a role, whether it's your real role or not.
- You can PM people and post without restrictions (except the GM stuff, see above) when you are alive. If you choose to talk while dead (PM or otherwise), you must be careful that you donâ€™t give anything away. Don't ruin the spirit of the game.
- You may fake/quote/edit other players PM, just not the GM ones.
- If you don't have time or you'll travel somewhere and can't play for some days or you want to quit the game completely, at least notify the GM.
- In case you can't play for a number of phases, you can make a list of actions (Day 2: Vote for Akonyl Night 3: Slander Kleene etc.) If you have allies from the beginning (BO, Lover, DB's or friends) you can give them the command over your character for those phases only by PMing the GM that your ally/allies can submit actions for you for those phases. If the GM notices that you have not come online for a number of days without such a PM (for example in the case of natural disaster, death, etc.), it is up to the GM's discretion what happens to your character.

Gameplay
- You have to PM the GM to vote/use your ability. Posting in the thread doesn't count.
- If Vermouth and KID are in the same game and choose the same person to disguise as, they will both disguise as the same role and the targeted individual will get a new role.
- DB's (Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko), Friends (Sonoko + Best Friend), and Lovers will not overlap.
Order of actions
- If multiple incompatible actions are submitted by a player, the last one before time is up is the one that will go through.
- Arresting > Protection charm > APTX > Discombobulating > Killing > All other actions
Example 1a:
Akonyl) Arrest Abs. for killing Kleene on Night 1. Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
Result: Akonyl arrests Abs. Abs. does not get to kill Akonyl. Akonyl investigates if pofa slandered conia.
Example 1b:
Akonyl) Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
Result: Abs. kills Akonyl. Akonyl does not get investigation results.
Example 2: (Day 3)
Beastly) APTX pofa = Satou.
pofa) Arrest Beastly for using APTX on pofa on Day 3.
Result: pofa arrests Beastly. Beastly does not get to use APTX on pofa. APTX is confiscated. (See APTX under Day actions)

General definitions
GM = Game Master/Mistress
PM = Personal Message
Voting
Everyone can vote during the Day Phase, whether you're a Townsperson or a Mafia member.
Exceptions:
You're dead
You're not in Japan
You're arrested
You're dying (this is different from injured)
You were hindered by an ability (e.g. Tequila)
Each playerâ€™s vote is made public at the end of the Day phase, unless Voice of Reason is invoked.
Auto-Report
If a player investigates if another player committed a crime and the result comes back as TRUE, sometimes a random player with a police role will be tipped off that "(ROLE A) (crime) (ROLE B)." The police role will not know who submitted the report, nor which players were involved with the crime. The report could also be sent to a disguised police role. Sometimes the report is lost, and no one is notified (this is random). The player that investigated will never get the report.
Auto-Arrest
If a House Search finds a crime, the target is automatically arrested. This Auto-Arrest is a freebie in conjunction with the House Search. If the House Search does not happen, the Auto-Arrest does not happen.
Hints, Riddles, Will, Tape/Video tape
- There can be various hints/riddles given out by the GM. This can contain true and false hints. It can be about lovers in the game or who was the murderer etc. There can be hints in the dream or with the PMing of actions too.
- Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just an item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're lynched. You can also tell the GM the way you want to die (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)
- The BO can leave a tape/video after each murder. A tape could also be from the GM and not the BO. Thus it can have true clues or false clues.
- The GM has the last decision. In case a will, tape, or method of death is giving out too much info, then it can be changed by the GM accordingly.
Dying
Dying players may not take any further actions, and will die the next Night. They may have actions done to them until they die.
Arrested
Arrested players may not take any further actions, nor have any further actions done to them except for the Lawsuit. When you're arrested, you can still talk freely (PMing or posting in the thread) about your clues/investigations etc.
Dead
Dead players are completely dead, and may no longer attempt to influence the game in any way. No further actions may be done to them.
Group - Mitsuhiko, Ayumi, Genta
- Know each otherâ€™s identity.
- Each game will either have at least 2 DBs, or none at all.
Lovers - Decided by Yumi during prep. phase
- Lovers know the identity of each other.
- When one lover dies, the other dies too by suicide in the same phase. No one can heal, protect or prevent the death of the suiciding lover.
- A Town/town pair wins together with the town. A BO/BO pair wins together with the BO. A Town/BO pair doesn't win when the town or the BO wins. To win as a Town/BO pair they need to kill Yumi and everyone else.
- Lovers can win while one or both are Arrested.

Roles

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Special Abilities

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Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 4:40 pm

Although I agree with most of those, I don't agree with this:

Abs. wrote: Example 2: (Day 3)
Beastly) APTX pofa = Satou.
pofa) Arrest Beastly for using APTX on pofa on Day 3.
Result: pofa arrests Beastly. Beastly does not get to use APTX on pofa. APTX is confiscated. (See APTX under Day actions)

because at the time of the arrest, the crime hasn't happened. Imo, you should only be able to arrest on actions that have been done successfully, not actions that are happening in the same phase as you're performing the arrest. But, if there's already rules that go with this, *shrug*

Auto-Report
If a player investigates if another player committed a crime and the result comes back as TRUE, sometimes a random player with a police role will be tipped off that "(ROLE A) (crime) (ROLE B)." The police role will not know who submitted the report, nor which players were involved with the crime. The report could also be sent to a disguised police role. Sometimes the report is lost, and no one is notified (this is random). The player that investigated will never get the report.

"sometimes" is bad, imo. If you make it happen 100% if a certain criteria is met, then I'm cool with that.

- Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just an item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're lynched. You can also tell the GM the way you want to die (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)

imo, the way people are killed should go to the BO, and in case of lynchings maybe they can say how they react to bein lynched or somesuch, but short of someone committing suicide due to a lover, I don't think it should really be up to the person that much.

And to other stuff:

No dreams eh? I don't think they're that huge of a deal, but *shrug*
And discombobulate just sounds silly, but I'm not complaining.

And what do you mean by the lovers can be "disguised as"? Unless you changed the way lover pairs worked, someone in a disguise could be a lover anyway.
The APTX confiscation rule just seems largely unnecessary to me.
I don't like the idea of pairings failing randomly. Random = bad imo.

Grawwbear · Post by **Grawwbear** » July 10th, 2010, 4:56 pm

Dammit, Akonyl! You said pretty much everything I was about to say. :V

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » July 10th, 2010, 5:09 pm

@Akonyl

1) Rule was already in effect before I got it. I'll give it a think, though.
2) It's too strong for it to be 100%, ever. You get to know two roles that are definitely in the game. I give it a random chance of failing.
3) That was also already in effect before I got it. However, I agree.
4) For some reason, the previous iteration of the rules said that Lovers cannot be disguised as. I didn't see how that was necessary, so.
5) APTX confiscation is because Eri can now be disguised as.
6) Pairings failing randomly is due to the addition of DB. There's too many un-pairable roles, and it may be too easy to pick out which pairings are actually in effect, or (the worst case) if all of them failed because of the friend/DB thing.

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 5:19 pm

Abs. wrote: @Akonyl

1) Rule was already in effect before I got it. I'll give it a think, though.
2) It's too strong for it to be 100%, ever. You get to know two roles that are definitely in the game. I give it a random chance of failing.
3) That was also already in effect before I got it. However, I agree.
4) For some reason, the previous iteration of the rules said that Lovers cannot be disguised as. I didn't see how that was necessary, so.
5) APTX confiscation is because Eri can now be disguised as.
6) Pairings failing randomly is due to the addition of DB. There's too many un-pairable roles, and it may be too easy to pick out which pairings are actually in effect, or (the worst case) if all of them failed because of the friend/DB thing.

1) Woowoo
2) I realize it's too strong to happen all the time, hence me saying "100% if a certain criteria is met". But I suppose defining what that criteria is would be sorta tricky, so eh.
3) the saying of how you died, when did that happen? Because nomemory certainly wasn't the one who wanted to be killed by having her legs riddled with bullets.
4) Then I guess I just didn't read that rule when it came about.

5) Fair enough.
6) I suppose. But imo, with having multiple pairings suggested, it should be very unlikely for all of them to fail and because it's chosen randomly from that list, you can't really glean any info of the other pairings suggested being in groups, which sorta makes the random failing not really necessary.

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » July 10th, 2010, 5:27 pm

Love note @Akonyl

3) I believe that in absence of a "this is how I want to die," the evil GM could have thought up creative ways of death.
4) There are a lot of rules I missed as well, before I tried to clarify them for this GM thing.
6) We'll see how my way goes. I would hate for the only two parings to go through to be BO/Town pairs.

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 5:33 pm

amg @ Abs.

3) Well the nomemory thing was actually just me, but yeah. I suppose people can be allowed to say how they're killed, but if there's conflicts between them and how the BO wants to kill em, the BO should get the final say in the matter.
6) It will go horribly and I will blame you forever. But really, it's not a huge deal aside from the fact that it goes against my dislike of random elements in the game, which doesn't concern most other people.

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » July 10th, 2010, 5:36 pm

I like introducing uncertainty.

If my PMs and actions in previous rounds did not tip you off about this fact.

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 5:40 pm

I figured.

pofa · Post by **pofa** » July 10th, 2010, 5:48 pm

No bombs this round, I see. XD

What happens if Agasa gives the bowtie to a traveling Hakuba or Makoto? I guess they can't use it, but will Agasa know his action failed?

EDIT: Also, it says Kazuha can give a player a protection charm once per game. Does this mean that she can only give one charm per game (it's a once-a-game action), or that she can only give the charm to any one player once per game, and has to choose someone else the next night?

Abs. · Post by **Abs.** » July 10th, 2010, 5:50 pm

@pofa

Lawls. Prolly not, the silly old man.

Yurikochan · Post by **Yurikochan** » July 10th, 2010, 7:02 pm

*waits patiently for next game, wonders if Meguire was Homer Simpson in disguise*

Grawwbear · Post by **Grawwbear** » July 10th, 2010, 7:16 pm

By the way, in case Abs.'s round goes quicker than planned I need a standby GM for me in the round after Abs.'s. :V

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » July 10th, 2010, 7:20 pm

Rohoph wrote: By the way, in case Abs.'s round goes quicker than planned I need a standby GM for me in the round after Abs.'s. :V

I've been thinking of GMing a game recently, the only downside to me GMing is that there isn't much leeway I can give in when Ithe pahses would start (as it'd basically have to be between 7-9 eastern).

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