Shinichi+Ran or Conan+Ai?

[randompi314159]

Hmm, yeah, I would think some people would vote something else if there was another option to choose from. Hmm, if the canon was switched...in this case, I'd probably still go with ShinRan.

[Girl19]

• certain users post every now and then "AiCon FTW" for no apparent reason, though the real reason maybe to keep the thread on the first page (and on one occasion, the poster admitted it was ONLY to keep the thread on the first page)

  Every now and then?! I only saw one user doing that, which means it happened rarely.
  And it apparently happens in the ShinRan thread too.
  
  

  What was the point in comparing it to the ShinRan thread?
  Anyway:
  2) sorry. in the AiCon thread there is ESPECIALLY a lot of off-topic discussions much more than the usual from other threads.
  3) eh.....you're the one who will have to give the examples now.

  Because we're comparing AiCon to ShinRan? So it's only natural to compare their respective threads.
  2. I don't agree. It's actually one of the threads with the biggest number of "wall-texts" posted. And most off-topic posts were made by ShinRan fans, at some point.
  3. What examples? Open the ShinRan thread and you'll see the same people posting. And you didn't give examples either, by the way.
  
  

  This makes no sense. Why would they vote if they don't care? Sure, they can not care about pairings (such as not participate in the discussions about pairings), but the poll asks you "ShinRan or AiCon?" if they vote ShinRan, it means that they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. End of story. Just because they don't care, doesn't mean they don't have a preference.
  They didn't have to vote, but they voted.

  No, there are people who vote even though they don't care. Because voting is an easy thing to do, you just open a thread, see a poll, and vote, sometimes without thinking.
  
  

  But still, if they vote for ShinRan (even though it's canon), it means they prefer ShinRan. You realize that you're contradicting yourself, right? ShinRan is what it is because it's canon, and AiCon is what it is because it's not canon (it also wouldn't make sense to the story otherwise). when you take these qualities out of the pairings, then you're no longer left with ShinRan and AiCon, but with totally different couples.

  No, it doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, it means they automatically vote for the canon.
  And I'm not contradicting myself, you just still don't get my point even thought I tried to explain and give examples, sadly.
  
  

  That's a bad example. In that situation, you asked her to vote for a couple, without the possibility to not vote. Here however, the users can decide not to vote.

  No, she could have said: "I don't care, so I won't vote". She didn't. Same thing happened to the people who voted here even though they don't care about pairings. Polls/Votes are tempting, many times people vote even if they don't have an official opinion, and it's only natural. So if they saw the "none of the above" option, they'd choose it instead.
  
  

  "another pairing" would destroy the intention of this thread which is between the large fan based pairings with Shinichi/Conan.
  OP:

  Just to know which group of fans is larger.

  Also "neither" would not make sense considering the OP's question. Basically, those who don't care, shouldn't have voted at all, but those who did vote, obviously cared enough to vote.

[/quote]I know the intention of the thread is to see which fanbase is larger, but isn't it obvious already? Everyone knows ShinRan has more fans, and this is not what I'm discussing. I'm discussing the big difference in votes which is weird. The existence of this thread itself proves my point: if the AiCon fanbase wasn't almost as big as the ShinRan fanbase (as shown in the 2 other older polls), there wouldn't be a poll about just the 2 of them.

[Girl19]

Hmm, if the canon was switched...in this case, I'd probably still go with ShinRan.

This means you voted for ShinRan because you're a fan, not because it's canon. So you're in the first category.

Spoiler:

- The people who vote for ShinRan are:

• ShinRan fans
• People who don't care about pairings, so they just vote for the obvious one..

• People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?

[Numner]

Ran+Shinichi

Maybe because it is canon, or maybe it is because I really love Ran and the couple; although Ai is awesome and funny but sometimes emo; I prefer Ran and Shinichi.

[randompi314159]

Hmm, if the canon was switched...in this case, I'd probably still go with ShinRan.

This means you voted for ShinRan because you're a fan, not because it's canon. So you're in the first category.

Spoiler:

- The people who vote for ShinRan are:

• ShinRan fans
• People who don't care about pairings, so they just vote for the obvious one..

• People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?

Yeah, though part of my reason was canonical, I'd still place myself in the first category as well.

[Kor]

3. What examples? Open the ShinRan thread and you'll see the same people posting. And you didn't give examples either, by the way.

When I said "examples" I meant for what you said that there are also repeating discussions.
And why are you playing the game "You didn't do that, so I won't do that either"? why being so childish?

You asked me to give you examples for the spamming, and considering you're an AiCon fan who reads the thread, I'd expect you to know. If examples is truly what you want, then here you go:

Just helping this thread back into page 1  ;D

AiXConan FTW

if you want examples for repeating discussion, well, the discussions with Schillok are well enough as an example (and also the "the reasons I like AiCon" and the "just to remind everyone, I like AiCon" and the "interactions of Ai and Conan")

No, there are people who vote even though they don't care. Because voting is an easy thing to do, you just open a thread, see a poll, and vote, sometimes without thinking.

it doesn't go that way. Whatever option they vote for, why is it obvious they would vote for ShinRan? There has to be a reason why their preference is ShinRan. You don't just do something for no apparent reason, our mind doesn't go that way.

No, she could have said: "I don't care, so I won't vote". She didn't. Same thing happened to the people who voted here even though they don't care about pairings. Polls/Votes are tempting, many times people vote even if they don't have an official opinion, and it's only natural. So if they saw the "none of the above" option, they'd choose it instead.

Did you tell her "if you don't like anyone, then you don't have to "vote""? if not, then as someone who you personally asked, she probably wanted to give an answer you will be satisfied with. From what you said, it sounds like she honnestly doesn't care, but you "forced" (please don't take this literary and note the "") her to vote, so she chose the first thing that came to her mind.

No, it doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, it means they automatically vote for the canon.
And I'm not contradicting myself, you just still don't get my point even thought I tried to explain and give examples, sadly.

You're the one who doesn't understand, even though you said that yourself. They prefer canon, so they vote ShinRan -> they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. What does it matter what their reason is? Their word was said. (and that's only for the group of people that you created)

If someone truly doesn't give the crap about pairings, he wouldn't vote.

[Girl19]

When I said "examples" I meant for what you said that there are also repeating discussions.

Fine, for all I know, the ShinRan thread has repeated discussions, which is normal because there's not much to discuss about ShinRan, because their relationship is already set, canon, and it's clear that they love each other and that they'll end up together and have lots of babies and live happily ever after. So what is it to discuss about that? There are only 2 types of discussions possible about ShinRan: either "remembering the ShinRan moments and how lovely they were and how sad it was when Ran cried at the end because Shinichi had to leave her again" type, or the "ShinRan Vs AiCon" one, which can also be found in the AiCon thread, especially in the first pages.

And why are you playing the game "You didn't do that, so I won't do that either"? why being so childish?

Huh? I'm not playing any game nor am I being childish. I just wanted to remind that you hadn't given examples yourself; so asking people to give you something you didn't give at first isn't polite.

You asked me to give you examples for the spamming, and considering you're an AiCon fan who reads the thread, I'd expect you to know. If examples is truly what you want, then here you go:

Just helping this thread back into page 1 

AiXConan FTW

So just because 2 people posted spamming messages, once, you wanna make it sound as if the whole thread is based on spamming or as if we only post spams? How about the long "walls" of texts? At least those were posted several times in the AiCon thread:

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?t=49.150
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=49.90
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=49.450
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=112975#p112975

I'm too lazy to check the whole thread, so I just took few examples from the beginning and from the latest pages.
For more "walls", you can check the whole thread.

if you want examples for repeating discussion, well, the discussions with Schillok are well enough as an example (and also the "the reasons I like AiCon" and the "just to remind everyone, I like AiCon" and the "interactions of Ai and Conan")

Well, those are already 4 types of discussions.
- Joking apart.. The bolded ones are what IS supposed to be discussed. So being repeated from time to time doesn't mean we have nothing else to discuss, it's because both "the reasons we like AiCon" and "the interaction between Ai and Conan" keep changing/increasing as the story progresses and as Aoyama-san creates more AiCon moments. So it's only natural to discuss those 2 topics from time to time, because the story isn't static.
- As for the "Just to remind everyone, I like AiCon" one, I think that, again, I need you to give me concrete examples, because I don't think anyone would need to remind the other fans that he/she likes AiCon in an AiCon thread. If it was in another thread, I'd understand, but it makes no sense to post it in the AiCon thread, by an AiCon fan. And if someone did it once, it doesn't mean it was done by many people nor that it was repeated.
- Now for Schillok's "Ai doesn't love Conan" discussion, I think it's way over now and it didn't last the whole thread? I myself had abandoned that discussion because it was going nowhere. Still, it was an interesting topic at first, knowing that there are few people who pretend or really can't see Ai's feelings.
- Finally, I'd like to point out that we have other discussions too. The ones you listed aren't everything. We have "characters' analysis" (especially discussed by the Sora sisters), the "What made you fall for AiCon?" discussion, the "What are your favorite AiCon moments?", the "specualtions" about future files/cases, the "What ending would you make for Ai and Conan if you were Aoyama?" type of discussions, the "Do you think there's a chance Ai and Conan will end up together?", the "Ai and Conan Vs the BO", and many, many others. Not to forget the "AiCon Vs ShinRan" ones, where we had to give many and various arguments for why we prefer a non-canonical pairing.
So we have many discussions going on, and I don't think any were repeated (except for the Schillok one which stopped a long time ago). The others that you listed aren't repeated, because, as I said, the story progresses so some topics will be re-opened again.

it doesn't go that way. Whatever option they vote for, why is it obvious they would vote for ShinRan? There has to be a reason why their preference is ShinRan. You don't just do something for no apparent reason, our mind doesn't go that way.

The reason is canon. When something is canon, it's subconsciously "the right thing" in people's mind.

Did you tell her "if you don't like anyone, then you don't have to "vote""?

No, and neither did the one who created this thread/poll.

if not, then as someone who you personally asked, she probably wanted to give an answer you will be satisfied with. From what you said, it sounds like she honnestly doesn't care, but you "forced" (please don't take this literary and note the "") her to vote, so she chose the first thing that came to her mind.

I didn't "force" her to vote. The situation is exactly the same as this poll. Just like the people here had the choice not to vote, she did too, but she still ended up voting without even making me ask her twice.

You're the one who doesn't understand, even though you said that yourself. They prefer canon, so they vote ShinRan -> they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. What does it matter what their reason is? Their word was said. (and that's only for the group of people that you created)

I didn't say they "prefer" canon, I said they "automatically vote for" canon, because it seems obvious.
Also, I see a wrong reasoning here: "They prefer canon, so they vote ShinRan -> they prefer ShinRan over AiCon". It should be: "They prefer canon, so they vote whatever-is-the-canonical-pairing -> they prefer whatever-is-the-canonical-pairing over whatever-isn't-canonical". Meaning, if AiCon were canon, AiCon would definitely win.

If someone truly doesn't give the crap about pairings, he wouldn't vote.

I still don't agree. Some people would vote even if they don't care, and I'm not going to repeat the explanation I already gave in my previous post.

[Kor]

You asked me to give you examples for the spamming, and considering you're an AiCon fan who reads the thread, I'd expect you to know. If examples is truly what you want, then here you go:

Just helping this thread back into page 1  ;D

AiXConan FTW

So just because 2 people posted spamming messages, once, you wanna make it sound as if the whole thread is based on spamming or as if we only post spams? How about the long "walls" of texts? At least those were posted several times in the AiCon thread:

Spoiler:

viewtopic.php?t=49.150
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=49.90
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=49.450
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=112975#p112975

I'm too lazy to check the whole thread, so I just took few examples from the beginning and from the latest pages.
For more "walls", you can check the whole thread.

Only that it wasn't only ONCE, it was more than that. And the walls of text don't make any difference since what affects the length of the thread are the number of posts, not the text.

I shall try to say it more clearly - in comparison to other threads, the AiCon one is much bigger because:
1) people are spamming it (seriously. There is no thread in this forum that people are spamming, which is why even though it's (as you said) a tiny factor, it still counts)
2) a lot (remember, in comparison to other threads) of off-topic discussion
3) repeated discussions

- Joking apart.. The bolded ones are what IS supposed to be discussed. So being repeated from time to time doesn't mean we have nothing else to discuss, it's because both "the reasons we like AiCon" and "the interaction between Ai and Conan" keep changing/increasing as the story progresses and as Aoyama-san creates more AiCon moments. So it's only natural to discuss those 2 topics from time to time, because the story isn't static.
- As for the "Just to remind everyone, I like AiCon" one, I think that, again, I need you to give me concrete examples, because I don't think anyone would need to remind the other fans that he/she likes AiCon in an AiCon thread. If it was in another thread, I'd understand, but it makes no sense to post it in the AiCon thread, by an AiCon fan. And if someone did it once, it doesn't mean it was done by many people nor that it was repeated.
- Now for Schillok's "Ai doesn't love Conan" discussion, I think it's way over now and it didn't last the whole thread? I myself had abandoned that discussion because it was going nowhere. Still, it was an interesting topic at first, knowing that there are few people who pretend or really can't see Ai's feelings.
- Finally, I'd like to point out that we have other discussions too. The ones you listed aren't everything. We have "characters' analysis" (especially discussed by the Sora sisters), the "What made you fall for AiCon?" discussion, the "What are your favorite AiCon moments?", the "specualtions" about future files/cases, the "What ending would you make for Ai and Conan if you were Aoyama?" type of discussions, the "Do you think there's a chance Ai and Conan will end up together?", the "Ai and Conan Vs the BO", and many, many others. Not to forget the "AiCon Vs ShinRan" ones, where we had to give many and various arguments for why we prefer a non-canonical pairing.
So we have many discussions going on, and I don't think any were repeated (except for the Schillok one which stopped a long time ago). The others that you listed aren't repeated, because, as I said, the story progresses so some topics will be re-opened again.

When someone says "let's list again the reasons we like AiCon" and then everyone say why they like AiCon (considering most of them already did so 100 pages before), it is nothing else but repeating. Just because the story progresses doesn't mean there was any change (anime-wise there were hardly any worth mentioning interactions between Ai and Conan which indicate on anything).

No, and neither did the one who created this thread/poll.

Because maybe the one who created this poll thought that those who don't want to vote for anyone, simply shouldn't vote? To me it seems like common-sense. Those who don't want to vote, can just not vote. The option to not vote exists, and given the OP's question, the "neither" option wouldn't matter anyway.

I didn't "force" her to vote. The situation is exactly the same as this poll. Just like the people here had the choice not to vote, she did too, but she still ended up voting without even making me ask her twice.

If you asked her personally, then the situation isn't exactly the same as this poll.

The reason is canon. When something is canon, it's subconsciously "the right thing" in people's mind.

Thank you, you replied just how I thought you would. You just said yourself, that the second group and the third group are exactly the same, since both are voting because it's canon.

I didn't say they "prefer" canon, I said they "automatically vote for" canon, because it seems obvious.
Also, I see a wrong reasoning here: "They prefer canon, so they vote ShinRan -> they prefer ShinRan over AiCon". It should be: "They prefer canon, so they vote whatever-is-the-canonical-pairing -> they prefer whatever-is-the-canonical-pairing over whatever-isn't-canonical". Meaning, if AiCon were canon, AiCon would definitely win.

I don't really see how "let's pretend A was B and B was A" solves anything, since neither know how it'd be. If AiCon was canon, it wouldn't make sense story-wise. It's also hard to say "the people who voted like this would vote that" since you can't really predict such things (for example, in some anime, I put some thoughts into pairings, and in others I don't care). I can also say that some AiCons would actually vote for ShinRan in the situation you mentioned, since the "it's non-canon therefore it's more interesting, and we can speculate as much as we want" rule applies here. Basically you can't use that argument since you have no idea how that situation would be, and every factor should be taken into account.

I still don't agree. Some people would vote even if they don't care, and I'm not going to repeat the explanation I already gave in my previous post.

Your only explanation currently is that they vote because it's canon (which is like the third group), and I still stand by my point that even the canon "wanters" wouldn't vote had they truly didn't care.
Well, I have this guy backing up my statement.

Finally something in this topic I can agree with.  I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't care and indeed didn't vote.

[AICHAN]

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....
of course there're people who doesn't care about pairings and won't vote in this poll...
but there are also some people who like KazuhaxHeiji,or AokoxKaito,who'll vote for shinran mostly because it's canon and it's the same type of relationship as their favorite couple ( i know many people who would vote for Shinran because it looks like KazuxHeiji)
also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

now i think there are more Shinran fans than Coai fans,even in this forum,but as Girl19 said,the results in this poll are weird compared to the other polls... in every poll I voted,coai was close to Shinran...

and concerning the size of the Ai+conan thread, I don't agree when Kor say that the Aicon thread is bigger just because of the spamming or the off topic pages,it doesn't represent a lot compared to the many pages of opinions and characters analysis (the long post of the 2 Soras are the best exemples)....maybe you should re-read the first 100 pages of the Aicon topic...
as for repeting the same arguments...well it's a bit normal considering that every new member would post his/her opinion,and it's the same thing in the Shinran thread...(moreover Ai+conan thread is older than the Shinran one,and  people won't read the 100 previous pages of arguments in order to not repeat the same things)

[James Rye]

Right that. it gets repeativ cause new people wants to tell their opinions on those matters which where discussed one or a half year ago. And it would be mean to tell them to STFU only cause they were to late to attend those discussion, and so it happens - a endless circle of repeativ discussion about the same things.

But i agree with the *none at all*-option. I´m sure some would rather take that when they don´t have a favorite paring instead of being *forced* to vote for either this or that option.

But when you look at those older polls, they sure had alot more Aiconfans, but also alot more Ranichi-fans. Guess we both are dieing out now since the fillerchaps keep coming to no end.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....
of course there're people who doesn't care about pairings and won't vote in this poll...
but there are also some people who like KazuhaxHeiji,or AokoxKaito,who'll vote for shinran mostly because it's canon and it's the same type of relationship as their favorite couple ( i know many people who would vote for Shinran because it looks like KazuxHeiji)
also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

And what's bad about that? They still choose Shinxran over aixcon, for whatever reason they may have.

now i think there are more Shinran fans than Coai fans,even in this forum,but as Girl19 said,the results in this poll are weird compared to the other polls... in every poll I voted,coai was close to Shinran...

That could be because aixcon fans are fed up with voting or some are simply inactive. And the new members voted for ShinxRan. Simple? Situations change over time?

and concerning the size of the Ai+conan thread, I don't agree when Kor say that the Aicon thread is bigger just because of the spamming or the off topic pages,it doesn't represent a lot compared to the many pages of opinions and characters analysis (the long post of the 2 Soras are the best exemples)....maybe you should re-read the first 100 pages of the Aicon topic...
as for repeting the same arguments...well it's a bit normal considering that every new member would post his/her opinion,and it's the same thing in the Shinran thread...(moreover Ai+conan thread is older than the Shinran one,and  people won't read the 100 previous pages of arguments in order to not repeat the same things)

Mafia threads > shinxran and aixconan!

[Kor]

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....

What a shock...

also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

So what you basically say that they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. Thanks for helping my side  :-*

and concerning the size of the Ai+conan thread, I don't agree when Kor say that the Aicon thread is bigger just because of the spamming or the off topic pages,it doesn't represent a lot compared to the many pages of opinions and characters analysis (the long post of the 2 Soras are the best exemples)....maybe you should re-read the first 100 pages of the Aicon topic...

What's with this repeating "long post" argument? It doesn't make any sense. One post with 10000 words in it, is still only one post. The amount of text don't make a thread longer, but the amount of posts.

May I also remind that in the AiCon thread, people are making a really big deal about reaching X00? The way from page 1 to 100 was a bit slow, but the 100 to 200 was much faster and at times it seemed like people are only posting in order to reach the 200th page fast.

But i agree with the *none at all*-option. I´m sure some would rather take that when they don´t have a favorite paring instead of being *forced* to vote for either this or that option.

Why is everyone coming from the point that EVERYONE votes here? I rarely vote in polls which I have no opinion about or don't care for. If I don't want to vote for any mayor candidate in my town, I just don't go to vote. My american english teacher didn't vote for the next US president (even though she could). This poll doesn't force anyone to vote.

[AICHAN]

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....
of course there're people who doesn't care about pairings and won't vote in this poll...
but there are also some people who like KazuhaxHeiji,or AokoxKaito,who'll vote for shinran mostly because it's canon and it's the same type of relationship as their favorite couple ( i know many people who would vote for Shinran because it looks like KazuxHeiji)
also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

And what's bad about that? They still choose Shinxran over aixcon, for whatever reason they may have.

I never said it was bad or something like that ...I was just trying to explain the results like others people do...

now i think there are more Shinran fans than Coai fans,even in this forum,but as Girl19 said,the results in this poll are weird compared to the other polls... in every poll I voted,coai was close to Shinran...

That could be because aixcon fans are fed up with voting or some are simply inactive. And the new members voted for ShinxRan. Simple? Situations change over time?

yeah,that's what I think too...i was just replying to people who said that it's a "crushing victory for Shinran fan",whereas there are much more than 15 coai fan in reality in this forum

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....

What a shock...

wow,that's a very interesting comment

also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

So what you basically say that they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. Thanks for helping my side 

If that makes you happy,understand it as you want
I was just saying that even people who aren't fan of Shinran would vote for them because that's the most obvious(and canon) pairing,not necessary because they like them(well there are others reasons that I already wrote in my previous post)...

and concerning the size of the Ai+conan thread, I don't agree when Kor say that the Aicon thread is bigger just because of the spamming or the off topic pages,it doesn't represent a lot compared to the many pages of opinions and characters analysis (the long post of the 2 Soras are the best exemples)....maybe you should re-read the first 100 pages of the Aicon topic...

What's with this repeating "long post" argument? It doesn't make any sense. One post with 10000 words in it, is still only one post. The amount of text don't make a thread longer, but the amount of posts.

but people react to the "long posts"...especially when people doesn't have the same opinion...that's also why the Aicon thread have many pages...
by the way,there are many "long posts" in that thread,I just wanted to point out that off topic discussion are not so many compared to the on topic posts (i gave the example of Sora's posts because she always try to explain her mind contrary to other fans who just say"coai or shinran ftw" )

[Girl19]

Only that it wasn't only ONCE, it was more than that.

Proofs?

And the walls of text don't make any difference since what affects the length of the thread are the number of posts, not the text.

And this is where you're wrong because, when someone posts long comments, there are many people reacting to that comment, hence many people start posting comments too. How many times did we see 1 long post generating 10 or more pages of discussions? If you don't know the answer, go check the thread, again.
Also, it's funny how you keep using my argument out of context. You did that with the "objective" thing before, and now you're doing it again. I used the "walls-of-texts" as an argument here to show that the AiCon thread doesn't only have "spamming and off-topic" posts, according to you; I wanted to show that it's one of the threads with the longest on-topic and detailed discussions. Because you wanted to make it sound as a shallow thread, which it definitely isn't.

I shall try to say it more clearly - in comparison to other threads, the AiCon one is much bigger because:
1) people are spamming it (seriously. There is no thread in this forum that people are spamming, which is why even though it's (as you said) a tiny factor, it still counts)
2) a lot (remember, in comparison to other threads) of off-topic discussion
3) repeated discussions

1. Once again, and seriosuly, and compared to the ShinRan thread, there's very few spamming.
2. Once again, and seriosuly, and compared to all other threads, there's just as much off-topics.
3. Now you're just proving you didn't really read this:

Spoiler:

- Joking apart.. The bolded ones are what IS supposed to be discussed. So being repeated from time to time doesn't mean we have nothing else to discuss, it's because both "the reasons we like AiCon" and "the interaction between Ai and Conan" keep changing/increasing as the story progresses and as Aoyama-san creates more AiCon moments. So it's only natural to discuss those 2 topics from time to time, because the story isn't static.
- As for the "Just to remind everyone, I like AiCon" one, I think that, again, I need you to give me concrete examples, because I don't think anyone would need to remind the other fans that he/she likes AiCon in an AiCon thread. If it was in another thread, I'd understand, but it makes no sense to post it in the AiCon thread, by an AiCon fan. And if someone did it once, it doesn't mean it was done by many people nor that it was repeated.
- Now for Schillok's "Ai doesn't love Conan" discussion, I think it's way over now and it didn't last the whole thread? I myself had abandoned that discussion because it was going nowhere. Still, it was an interesting topic at first, knowing that there are few people who pretend or really can't see Ai's feelings.
- Finally, I'd like to point out that we have other discussions too. The ones you listed aren't everything. We have "characters' analysis" (especially discussed by the Sora sisters), the "What made you fall for AiCon?" discussion, the "What are your favorite AiCon moments?", the "specualtions" about future files/cases, the "What ending would you make for Ai and Conan if you were Aoyama?" type of discussions, the "Do you think there's a chance Ai and Conan will end up together?", the "Ai and Conan Vs the BO", and many, many others. Not to forget the "AiCon Vs ShinRan" ones, where we had to give many and various arguments for why we prefer a non-canonical pairing.
So we have many discussions going on, and I don't think any were repeated (except for the Schillok one which stopped a long time ago). The others that you listed aren't repeated, because, as I said, the story progresses so some topics will be re-opened again.

When someone says "let's list again the reasons we like AiCon" and then everyone say why they like AiCon (considering most of them already did so 100 pages before), it is nothing else but repeating.

And where did you see anyone, else than newbies, saying "Let's list the reasons we like AiCon?". It's a good thing you striked your "again" because old members won't just go and say, "Hey, let's list the reasons again". If new members do that, they have reasons:
- They're new.
- They want to share their opinion too.
- They can't check the whole thread to see if they are repeating a discussion or not.

Just because the story progresses doesn't mean there was any change (anime-wise there were hardly any worth mentioning interactions between Ai and Conan which indicate on anything).

Wrong again. Most people here also read the manga, and in case you didn't know, there were some AiCon interactions in it lately. So everytime there's a new moment or interaction between Ai and Conan, we will re-open "the interaction between Ai and Conan" and "the reasons we like AiCon" discussions. It's not repeating, it's adding new elements.

Because maybe the one who created this poll thought that those who don't want to vote for anyone, simply shouldn't vote? To me it seems like common-sense. Those who don't want to vote, can just not vote. The option to not vote exists, and given the OP's question, the "neither" option wouldn't matter anyway.

Now we're just repearing ourselves.. I said that my friend, TOO, had the option not to vote, but she voted. Many people here may have voted too even though they had the choice not to. Putting a "none" option would, however, act as a reminder, that if you really don't like any of these pairings, vote "none". But if the "none" otpion doesn't exist, there's no reminder, so many people would just vote for the obvious one, because it's canon. And yes, I know that, logically, if you don't care you shouldn't vote at all, but, as I said before, polls are tempting and many people would vote even if they don't really care, because voting is easy and doesn't require much time of thinking, generally.
Now please, don't make me repeat this next time.

If you asked her personally, then the situation isn't exactly the same as this poll.

And why's that?

Thank you, you replied just how I thought you would. You just said yourself, that the second group and the third group are exactly the same, since both are voting because it's canon.

LOL, I thought it was already crystal clear that they both vote because it's canon? So you didn't need to prove that point.. However, this doesn't mean they're the same group because, one cares about pairings and the other doesn't, but they both end up voting, and for the canon.

I don't really see how "let's pretend A was B and B was A" solves anything, since neither know how it'd be. If AiCon was canon, it wouldn't make sense story-wise. It's also hard to say "the people who voted like this would vote that" since you can't really predict such things (for example, in some anime, I put some thoughts into pairings, and in others I don't care). I can also say that some AiCons would actually vote for ShinRan in the situation you mentioned, since the "it's non-canon therefore it's more interesting, and we can speculate as much as we want" rule applies here. Basically you can't use that argument since you have no idea how that situation would be, and every factor should be taken into account.

1. I didn't play the "what-if" card to solve anything, I used it as an argument to back up my theory that most people would vote for the canon no matter what that canon-pairing is. And this is no prediction, this is obvious. Let's face it, we all know that the canon would win because it has a strong impact on people, because it's set and elaborated by the author himself. So, once again, if AiCon were canon, it'd definitely win.
2. I don't agree with this: "If AiCon was canon, it wouldn't make sense story-wise", because if AiCon were canon, Aoyama would know how to make it work, and even better than ShinRan who's now becoming boring (after 16 years of repeated moments).
3. This "it's non-canon therefore it's more interesting, and we can speculate as much as we want" is a new argument you're using. Just to point out that I never used it before, therefore I don't agree with it. For all I know, if ShinRan were non-canon, I still wouldn't like it.

Your only explanation currently is that they vote because it's canon (which is like the third group), and I still stand by my point that even the canon "wanters" wouldn't vote had they truly didn't care.

I gave many explanations already, if you want to ignore them, it's your opinion. And I, too, still stand by my point that people can vote even if they don't really care.

Well, I have this guy backing up my statement.

Finally something in this topic I can agree with.  I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't care and indeed didn't vote.

Good for you. I don't need anyone backing up my statement, moi.

[Girl19]

but there are also some people who like KazuhaxHeiji,or AokoxKaito,who'll vote for shinran mostly because it's canon and it's the same type of relationship as their favorite couple ( i know many people who would vote for Shinran because it looks like KazuxHeiji)

That's an interesting point too which I should have added to the lists of people who vote for ShinRan even though they're not really fans of the pairing.

I agree with Girl19 in most of the things she said....

What a shock...

I bet it was.

also some people would vote Shinran because they don't see anything romantic between conan and Ai so they would vote for the most logical pairing...

So what you basically say that they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. Thanks for helping my side  :-*

Twisting words to help your own side? I thought you were better than that, Kor.
She said "most logical pairing", which also falls in "the canon effect" I've been explaining to you since yesterday.

I rarely vote in polls which I have no opinion about or don't care for.

Thank you. You've just proved my point yourself!
Rarely≠never. Which means it did happen to you to vote in polls you didn't care about.
My job here is done. My point was proved by the opposite side.
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