The Gin Pairing Thread

[Cider]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

[xGinx]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

[Conia]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

According to Chianti, Vermouth knew about Calvados feelings, and she used him knowing this.

[mangaluva]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

According to Chianti, Vermouth knew about Calvados feelings, and she used him knowing this.

Chianti was really pissed off about it, too. Hence Chianti x Calvados XDXD

[Abs.]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

According to Chianti, Vermouth knew about Calvados feelings, and she used him knowing this.

Chianti was really pissed off about it, too. Hence Chianti x Calvados XDXD

Meanwhile, Korn's like: "I'm right here  "

[pofa]

Meanwhile, Korn's like: "I'm right here  "

That. 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

According to Chianti, Vermouth knew about Calvados feelings, and she used him knowing this.

Chianti was really pissed off about it, too. Hence Chianti x Calvados XDXD

Meanwhile, Korn's like: "I'm right here   "

Poor Korn. He probably is stuttering over trying to express his feelings to Chianti, but someone cuts him off each time so he never gets the opportunity to ever confess.

[Kleene Onigiri]

If Akais is really dead (I don't think so) maybe we could start supporting the AkaixCalvados pairing xD LOL

OMG he broke Calvados' 2 legs, how on earth could they be a couple xDDD
Now that we mention Calvados, there was something between him and Vermouth, right? xD

Chianti only said that Calvado's in love with her but I don't think she ever felt something for him.

According to Chianti, Vermouth knew about Calvados feelings, and she used him knowing this.

Chianti was really pissed off about it, too. Hence Chianti x Calvados XDXD

Meanwhile, Korn's like: "I'm right here  "

Poor Korn. He probably is stuttering over trying to express his feelings o Chianti, but someone cuts him off each time so he never gets the opportunity to ever confess.

Korn: Chianti.... I....
Chiant: Hurry and shoot the head already! Damn, You're so slow!
Korn: But... I...
Chianti: Hurry!

yeah, poor Korn XD

[Girl19]

GinxAkai also have:
1. Some hints. The "koibito" thing which can mean lover or enemy. I think that whole GinxAkai started because of that. Yeah, it's just a pun with words. But so is the Martini joke. But both could be interpreted to have a hidden meaning too.
2. Well, it's yaoi as long as Gin doesn't turn out to be female ;p

1. I didn't consider the "koibito" thing as a hint because, as you said, it was just a pun. But if it's the only thing in favor of AkaixGin, people will keep referring to it as a real hint. As for the Martini joke, I only considered it a hint after seeing how Vermouth interacts with Gin. I'm not saying I believe there's actually something between them, though.. but it's a possibility.
2. Or Akai.. =P

Well, for me "must not diss it" is like "have to accept it". But that's my impression on the word "to accept". So guess we talk about the same :p

I see, but to me, it's possible not to accept something yet not to diss it. For example, there are many things that I don't/can't accept in society, generally (because my own logic doesn't accept them), but I don't go insulting people or dissing their opinions if they accept/like them. Also, I believe that, just like you are free to like/accept something, I'm free not to like/accept it. Fair enough?

Spoiler:

Though, I don't understand why, if someone says "I love yaoi", nobody will comment about it, but if someone says "I hate yaoi", he's doomed. But that's another story, so off-topic.

And I also said that I didn't think you wanted to diss it. But that your post sounded like that which I wanted to point out ;p
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I get it. I didn't want to sound rude or accuse you for calling people ridiculous. I even said that you didn't intend to do that, but that it "sounded like that". That's why I wanted to confirm it with asking you whether you really find it "not serious"/"ridiculous"
Sorry for the misunderstandings

I'm sorry, too, if my posts sometimes give the wrong impression about what I really intend to say, but that's mostly because people only see the general meaning and don't pay attention to the words I took the time to choose before posting. I've been accused many times of insulting a cause, while usually, after rereading my post, you'd find no proof that I did insult it, just proofs that I didn't agree with it. And so far: not agreeing ≠ insulting.

Well, like said above, GinxAkai do have some "hints". Whether you count it as a hint or if you label it as a joke, is up to oneself.
A "ridiculous" pair would be a pair that never met each other and doesn't know the existence of each other. For example RanxKorn. But even then, people could be serious about that pairing.
Imo there is nothing wrong with hoping for you favorite pairing, even it it's ridiculous or a yaoi/yuri pairing, even in a non-yaoi/yuri anime.

I see what you mean, but to me, a ridiculous pairing is a pairing which has absolutely no past hints AND no future chances of happening. For instance, AiCon has no chance of happening, but since it has many hints, I can't label it as ridiculous (same goes for GinxSherry).

GinxAkai also have hints. And I also think that some non-canon pairings have a better chance than other non-canon pairings.

I don't understand the bolded part, but I guess you meant that "some non-canon pairings have a better chance than other canon pairings"? If that's the case, I don't agree with the "have a better chance" part, I'd say "have more supporters", because Aoyama is the one who decides which pairing has a better chance by making it canon, whether the fans agree or not.

But the vote wasn't about "Which pairing is more likely to happen" but "Which one do you like best/more".

At first it was about "Which pairing is more likely to happen?" because it only had 2 plausible options: GinxSherry and GinxVermouth. After, it featured other options, so it became a "Which one do you like more?" poll.
However, right now the whole topic is very confusing because it seems like it's about both sides:

Spoiler:

So, who should be Gin's paramour?
Which pairing do you prefer?
Which pairing is more possible?

So it's, once again, a poll whose objective isn't clear enough. Just like the "Gin vs. Ran: Who is smarter?" thread where the title, obviously, asks who for "the smartest", while the first post asks for "the winner at discovering Shinichi's identity". Confusing polls are confusing, and they generate inutile discussions, later categorized as rude debates or wars. That's how it actaully works.

That's why I said "strictly". If you don't take it strictly, then it also has a lot of pairings. And it also has a lot of non-canon pairings made up by fans. So AkaixGin is a possible non-canon pairing too.

Until now I used to think that even the non-canon pairings have to have real hints before existing.. But it's a free world, people can like something even if it makes no sense to me. My bad, sorry.

You just fantasize without intending to do so. You also like something first and when someone asks you why or you ask yourself why, then you look for some reasons. But liking something is not something "logical" but an emotion, so you also don't have to understand it.

I understand, it's hard to get because, to me, emotions are logical; I can't like/dislike something without a reason. But I understand what you mean.

Agree, Girl19 is good at discussions That's also why it's fun to discuss with her :p

I'm glad you think so. I also enjoy reading various opinions and discussing them, as long as the discussion is beneficial.

[Girl19]

Alright~ so are we all cool now~ Calm down, guys, it's only a topic to discuss, I didn't make it to mock any pairings or anything. So please stay cool :]

Well, we actually were discussing the topic. I was calm, and so far we were cool about it. Just keep in mind that a discussion is supposed to have at least 2 opposite sides (here, Kleene and I), so it's normal to see opposing arguments here and there, but don't mistake them for a dispute/war.

First and foremost: Please keep in mind that Girl19 likes discussing things.

Well, what are we supposed to do in a forum a part from discussing? I wonder.

She will always win, because she can keep discussing until you're the one blue in the face.

Not really, I only keep discussing the same topic when the opposite side's arguments don't convince me. I usually stop discussing the issue when:
- The other side convinces me (which happens very rarely, but it did happen).
- The opposite side keeps repeating the same arguments, so I'd feel like repeating myself too and I hate that, so I'd stop discussing/reading/bothering (and this happened a lot, especially in the Ai+Conan thread).

(She may also be a debate robot, but this has yet to be proven.)  8)

That's a good theory which would explain why my battery needs recharging at least twice a day. xD

Now:

While it is true that we haven't seen a gay couple appear in the manga/anime yet, I would like to point out that one has already been explicitly mentioned (Agasa's childhood friend Haruo-kun x offscreen boyfriend, File 411 aka Volume 40 File 8 ).

That counts? Even though it was just once, and the character was extremely useless to the story which would explain why I completely forgot about his existence?

The Gin x Akai hint is on page 14 of File 504 aka Volume 49 File 4.  First panel.  Hint: Sniping time!

I don't see how calling someone "koibito" as a pun, then shooting them, has anything to do with love..
And before someone uses this against my reasoning, the GinxSherry hints I was talking about exclude the fact that Gin shot her, because I don't consider that a hint anyway.

Now, let's further clear things up here:

Girl19 may have (inadvertently?) offended those that voted (or would have voted) Gin x Akai: "I can't believe GinxAkai already has 6 votes. It'll soon beat GinxSherry. That's why nothing can be serious in the forum anymore."  This statement seems to convey the following beliefs:

• That the people who voted for Gin x Akai were all just screwing around.
• That Gin x Akai could never possibly happen.
• That the people who voted for Gin x Akai irresponsibly wasted their votes.

However!  Girl19 (and everyone!) is free to do as they please!  They may accept, or reject the opinions of others as they see fit.  You see, trouble only arises when one side shows and/or expresses clear disdain for the other side and/or the other side's opinions.
I believe Kleene may have been trying to warn Girl19 about how her comment may have been perceived as inflammatory.

And I now (naively) believe everything has been cleared up!   ;D

Why "naively"? That's true, you cleared up everything, I believe.
And if there's something I should learn from all this, it's to never "show and/or expresse clear disdain for the other side and/or the other side's opinions". Which is hard because, as you said, I love discussing things. I can't make a promise, but I'll try to refrain from expressing my thoughts in a forum.


So I'm done. Battery died out.

[Kleene Onigiri]

GinxAkai also have:
1. Some hints. The "koibito" thing which can mean lover or enemy. I think that whole GinxAkai started because of that. Yeah, it's just a pun with words. But so is the Martini joke. But both could be interpreted to have a hidden meaning too.
2. Well, it's yaoi as long as Gin doesn't turn out to be female ;p

1. I didn't consider the "koibito" thing as a hint because, as you said, it was just a pun. But if it's the only thing in favor of AkaixGin, people will keep referring to it as a real hint. As for the Martini joke, I only considered it a hint after seeing how Vermouth interacts with Gin. I'm not saying I believe there's actually something between them, though.. but it's a possibility.
2. Or Akai.. =P

1. Well, guess people take some things a hints or not D: And Akai was in the BO too, as a spy tho. But some fanfics are based on that too.
2. Or both are female and it's actually yuri! D:

Well, for me "must not diss it" is like "have to accept it". But that's my impression on the word "to accept". So guess we talk about the same :p

I see, but to me, it's possible not to accept something yet not to diss it. For example, there are many things that I don't/can't accept in society, generally (because my own logic doesn't accept them), but I don't go insulting people or dissing their opinions if they accept/like them. Also, I believe that, just like you are free to like/accept something, I'm free not to like/accept it. Fair enough?

Spoiler:

Though, I don't understand why, if someone says "I love yaoi", nobody will comment about it, but if someone says "I hate yaoi", he's doomed. But that's another story, so off-topic.

I have actually the same opinion. Guess if I say "You need to accept that other people have other opinions and thus not diss it" would clear thing up. So I too don't like something in society but I do "accept" it.

And I also said that I didn't think you wanted to diss it. But that your post sounded like that which I wanted to point out ;p
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I get it. I didn't want to sound rude or accuse you for calling people ridiculous. I even said that you didn't intend to do that, but that it "sounded like that". That's why I wanted to confirm it with asking you whether you really find it "not serious"/"ridiculous"
Sorry for the misunderstandings

I'm sorry, too, if my posts sometimes give the wrong impression about what I really intend to say, but that's mostly because people only see the general meaning and don't pay attention to the words I took the time to choose before posting. I've been accused many times of insulting a cause, while usually, after rereading my post, you'd find no proof that I did insult it, just proofs that I didn't agree with it. And so far: not agreeing ≠ insulting.

Happens to me too that people misunderstand my posts :3 but I guess that's normal and happens to anyone :x

Well, like said above, GinxAkai do have some "hints". Whether you count it as a hint or if you label it as a joke, is up to oneself.
A "ridiculous" pair would be a pair that never met each other and doesn't know the existence of each other. For example RanxKorn. But even then, people could be serious about that pairing.
Imo there is nothing wrong with hoping for you favorite pairing, even it it's ridiculous or a yaoi/yuri pairing, even in a non-yaoi/yuri anime.

I see what you mean, but to me, a ridiculous pairing is a pairing which has absolutely no past hints AND no future chances of happening. For instance, AiCon has no chance of happening, but since it has many hints, I can't label it as ridiculous (same goes for GinxSherry).

Then it depends if you count the hints as hints or as pure jokes. Then GinxAkai is either ridiculous or not

GinxAkai also have hints. And I also think that some non-canon pairings have a better chance than other non-canon pairings.

I don't understand the bolded part, but I guess you meant that "some non-canon pairings have a better chance than other canon pairings"? If that's the case, I don't agree with the "have a better chance" part, I'd say "have more supporters", because Aoyama is the one who decides which pairing has a better chance by making it canon, whether the fans agree or not.

No, I meant some non-canon pairings have better chances than other non-canon pairings. (maybe my English is just too bad to say it correctly D:)
What I mean is this:
GinxVermouth is a non-canon pairing that has a better chance to actually happen in DC than the non-canon pairing GinxAkai. But if it's about what pairing I like more, then it's GinxAkai > GinxVermouth

But the vote wasn't about "Which pairing is more likely to happen" but "Which one do you like best/more".

At first it was about "Which pairing is more likely to happen?" because it only had 2 plausible options: GinxSherry and GinxVermouth. After, it featured other options, so it became a "Which one do you like more?" poll.
However, right now the whole topic is very confusing because it seems like it's about both sides:

Spoiler:

So, who should be Gin's paramour?
Which pairing do you prefer?
Which pairing is more possible?

So it's, once again, a poll whose objective isn't clear enough. Just like the "Gin vs. Ran: Who is smarter?" thread where the title, obviously, asks who for "the smartest", while the first post asks for "the winner at discovering Shinichi's identity". Confusing polls are confusing, and they generate inutile discussions, later categorized as rude debates or wars. That's how it actaully works.

Yes, it's confusing :x But I thought it was always "Which pairing do you like more" from the beginning. But guess I'm wrong D:

That's why I said "strictly". If you don't take it strictly, then it also has a lot of pairings. And it also has a lot of non-canon pairings made up by fans. So AkaixGin is a possible non-canon pairing too.

Until now I used to think that even the non-canon pairings have to have real hints before existing.. But it's a free world, people can like something even if it makes no sense to me. My bad, sorry.

Sometimes strange pairings are fun :3 Especially if it makes you think: "How did someone came up with that pairing? D:"

Agree, Girl19 is good at discussions That's also why it's fun to discuss with her :p

I'm glad you think so. I also enjoy reading various opinions and discussing them, as long as the discussion is beneficial.

The winner get's some cookies of course!

First and foremost: Please keep in mind that Girl19 likes discussing things.

Well, what are we supposed to do in a forum a part from discussing? I wonder.

Playing mafia?

The Gin x Akai hint is on page 14 of File 504 aka Volume 49 File 4.  First panel.  Hint: Sniping time!

I don't see how calling someone "koibito" as a pun, then shooting them, has anything to do with love..
And before someone uses this against my reasoning, the GinxSherry hints I was talking about exclude the fact that Gin shot her, because I don't consider that a hint anyway.

Well, like said somewhere above, Akai was  a spy so Gin and Akai do also have a "past". (Akai went out with Akemi first in order to get in contact with the BO and to get information. Why not going out with Gin in order to get information? :x)

Now, let's further clear things up here:

Girl19 may have (inadvertently?) offended those that voted (or would have voted) Gin x Akai: "I can't believe GinxAkai already has 6 votes. It'll soon beat GinxSherry. That's why nothing can be serious in the forum anymore."  This statement seems to convey the following beliefs:

• That the people who voted for Gin x Akai were all just screwing around.
• That Gin x Akai could never possibly happen.
• That the people who voted for Gin x Akai irresponsibly wasted their votes.

However!  Girl19 (and everyone!) is free to do as they please!  They may accept, or reject the opinions of others as they see fit.  You see, trouble only arises when one side shows and/or expresses clear disdain for the other side and/or the other side's opinions.
I believe Kleene may have been trying to warn Girl19 about how her comment may have been perceived as inflammatory.

And I now (naively) believe everything has been cleared up! 

Why "naively"? That's true, you cleared up everything, I believe.
And if there's something I should learn from all this, it's to never "show and/or expresse clear disdain for the other side and/or the other side's opinions". Which is hard because, as you said, I love discussing things. I can't make a promise, but I'll try to refrain from expressing my thoughts in a forum.

No, do express your thoughts! D: But then I can also express my thought or ask you something when I don't understand what you meant exactly, right? Or if I wanna clear up misunderstandings.

So I'm done. Battery died out.

*gives a cookie*

[Abs.]

Hey just to clear things up:  The "koibito" thing was NOT a pun...  Puns are for humorous effect, and rely on some sort of similarity between the words chosen.  Akai said "koibito" out loud, while meaning it to be "shukuteki" - or in English, he said "lover" out loud, while meaning it to be "old enemy."

Often, in the land of English, one does refer to one's enemy as "old friend."  (Using the same principle.)

However, one does not often refer to one's enemy as "lover."  (I'm pretty sure this hold across multiple languages.)  Add to that the fact that Akai actually said "darling, darling lover*," and you can see why folks could start wondering why he chose those words.

*æ„›ã

[Conia]

(Akai went out with Akemi first in order to get in contact with the BO and to get information. Why not going out with Gin in order to get information? :x)

[bluekaitou1412]

NO! It's the RJ INVASION!

[Cider]

NO! It's the RJ INVASION!

What the hell is RJ O.O