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Callid wrote: Well, this should be handled by criminal law. Denial of protest marches won't do anything about it. Actually, I think a democracy should be neutral, even to extremists (like the Weimarer Republik). However, the constitution should have some mechanisms that make it very difficult for a demagogue to bring everything into line.
It's somewhat paradoxical that all power lies in the hand of the people, however, they do not have the power to give this power away.
True. Extremism in any form never has good results; Communism or Fascism, the closer they get to Totalitarianism, the more similar they are. Power to the people only works if they people are well-informed about all of their options, especially when they have major choices such as elections. Demagogues play to people's emotions rather than serious thought, and so can be very dangerous.
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NOTE: The following is an edited post I posted before in another topic.

I once made a constitution together with a friend of mine where we united two fictional states (Donnersberg & Carlsfeld). I translated the figure into English.
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The decrees of the Parliament and the law
The Parliament's decrees are more important than the law, so if there's a contradiction between the law and the decrees, the decrees overrule the laws. The constitution must not be overruled by decrees, but laws may change it. However, 75% of the votes are needed to do so.

The Parliament
There's no limitation how many percent you have to get to get a seat in the parliament (In Germany, for example, you need 5% of the votes to get a seat in Parliament). So you only need 1/169 of the votes (or enough to make up one seat). However, this party has not 1/20 of the power of a party with 20 seats, as you will notice soon.
The decrees are not passed by the whole Parliament, but instead by a so-called Governing Commission. This commission dedicates it's work to one subject, for example the construction of a new harbour (the thought is that the specialists for education work on education, those for infrastructure on infrastructure and so on).
The commission is composed of all parties in Parliament and the percentage of votes for every party is also the same as in Parliament, but it does not have to be split among a special amount of people. So, even if his party makes up 50% of the Parliament, one man can still represent it in a Governing Commission and also has 50% of the votes, even if the Governing Commission consists of 20 people.
Now keep in mind that there are about 30-50 different Governing Commissions at one time and the small party has only one member in the Parliament. This member is now unable to be a part of every Governing Commission; if he is really hard-working he can manage 3-4. His percentage of votes in all other Governing Commissions forfeits. Therefore a small party can only attend the topics most important to it. Therefore the small parties will not spoil overall politics but can still successfully represent the minority that voted for them.
Also, the Parliament makes the budget (in a session with all 169 members). It also decides on the guideline of the government (again in a complete session). Due to this, both the chancellor and the Leader of the Parliament are only as strong as the Parliament's support for them is.

Election system for the king
A king is elected for lifetime. He may only be dismissed by the 85%-vote or has to resign when he reaches the age of 75. He may of course resign at any moment if he wishes so. If none of this cases happens, the king stays king until he dies.
When a new king is crowned, he has to announce 7 candidates for his successor ("king candidates"). 3 of them have to be from the royal family (of Donnersberg), but it may be more. He may change the candidates every year. If he dies or stops his work as a king for another reason (see above) one of the king candidates is elected as the new king by all people of Donnersberg. He has to name 7 new candidates and so on.
No candidate may be older than 70 or younger than 25. Neither the king nor a candidate (!) may hold any other political office except for a district one, but he/she may have hold one before getting king or candidate.

State of Emergency
The king and the president may at any time proclaim a State of Emergency. In a state of emergency, a council is formed. This council has dictatorial powers, the only thing it mustn't change is the constitution itself (but it might apply changes to Civil Rights) and it makes it decisions by the consent of at least 4 members. However, every month the parliament and the senate have to confirm the SoE. The council consists of:
  • King
  • President
  • Leader of Parliament
  • Leader of Senate
  • Leader of Guardian Council
  • Leader of Supreme Court
  • Chancellor
Note that anyone of them may be dismissed or re-elected at any time during the SoE, according to the Constitution. Therefore the Leader of whatever has to "obey" his Parliament/Senate etc.
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Someone who has this REALLY well thought-out. The only thing that worries me is the whole "State of Emergency"; Whether in Germany, America or the Galactic Senate, dictorial powers are horribly easy to abuse, and are rarely NOT abused. VERY tight restrictions and watches on the descisions made in a State of Emergency would be necessary, as well as a maximum degree to which Civil Rights could be changed.
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Someone talking about government.
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Someone who changed his avatar.
mangaluva wrote: Someone who has this REALLY well thought-out. The only thing that worries me is the whole "State of Emergency"; Whether in Germany, America or the Galactic Senate, dictorial powers are horribly easy to abuse, and are rarely NOT abused. VERY tight restrictions and watches on the descisions made in a State of Emergency would be necessary, as well as a maximum degree to which Civil Rights could be changed.
Actually the SoE is quite safe, as most of the members of the council (actually all except the king) can be dismissed easily. Therefore, to abuse the power you'd have to convince at least three of the five powers (Senate, Parliament, Guardian Council, Supreme Court, Foreign Politics Leadership) - something very difficult to achieve - and you still can not change the constitution, and, if not both Parliament and Senate support you, you'll lose your powers in one month. Actually it's just as easy to overthrow the state without the SoE.
And don't forget that, at any time, you may be accused for the misuse of your office and you'll have to explain yourself before the Supreme Court...
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Someone who has me more sold now ;) The most important thing, really, is to keep the government centre-spectrum. It's when things get extremist that problems arise.
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Someone who's right.  ;D
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Someone who I´ll keep saying: you´ve had your sig for a looong time.
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mangaluva wrote: Someone who has also had their sig a while.
Someone who also has the same sig for a long while. (since I came to this forum at least)
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someone whose signature I approve of for its phoenix wrightness.

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Someone whose avatar I don't want to be change again. *shivers*
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Someone with a new av.

@mangaluva: I´ve had the images for a while, but I change the quote every monday.
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Someone who's better at changing his/her signature than me.
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