Mafia Mafia Mafia! Pt. 3! (Game 5: Stalemate - no winner)

[Conia]

This game needs to end before I start next one, soooo

[Kleene Onigiri]

This game needs to end before I start next one, soooo

This doesn't mean that you don't do preparations for the next game (like clearing rules, changing roles etc)

[Conia]

This game needs to end before I start next one, soooo

This doesn't mean that you don't do preparations for the next game (like clearing rules, changing roles etc)

Seriously?
/jk

I've already planned some changes. Just a few that I can announce: I'm starting the Prep.Phase on Monday at 22:00 EST (unless there's something that needs yet to be settled), which means 23:00 for me There'll be some changes regarding dreams and lovers, expect a new character and be prepared for an exciting crime scene

[Callid]

@lovers:
I liked it the way when the lovers don't win when the BO or the Town wins. (like when Akonyl and me were lovers). This way the lovers have to kill of towns, but also BOs, so it's evenly matched (i think a stalemate between BO vs town happened once and the lovers won)
This way they are a threat for both sides, but they can still make a deal with either BO or town if they are discovered by someone. (because the BO could use them to convince the town and to have more votes on their side. Also, if the town kills the lover, they will have a disadvantage against the BO, because they will lack the manpower)

I also suggested to sakina, that Yumi doesn't choose just 1 pair, but 2-3 (or more). (But I think she didn't do that for this game, because I pmed her that during prep-phase) The GM chooses a random pairing (or 2-3 parings, depending on the size of the game). This way Yumi doesn't know for sure who the lovers are, so it will be more fair for the lovers to be hidden.
The BO could also abuse that, and PM people with "I think that and that player are lovers, let's lynch them". This makes it more interesting too

edit: I forgot conia D: well... he's to busy working on the next round, so he'll forget to vote too :x

The current lover ruling is simply absurd, and while your ruling artificially removes some of the problems, some aren't resolved. If I were Yumi with this (or your) ruling, I'd simply "forget" to tell the GM any pairings, so no townspeople get lovers (and are lost for the town). Also, like in this game, Sonoko becomes a very strange role. I don't think it's fitting (especially not for Sonoko) to kill your best friend...
Not to mention that this doesn't fit DC at all. If I remember right, Shinichi does only try to bring down the BO - and not to kill anyone around him so that he can be alone with Ran.
And don't forget that it's simply unfair to the lovers, as they start from a terrible position (I estimated the winning chance of me and Xcommando at less than 1% at the start of the game).

Although I'd agree that we can have the Poor Lover (Ai) lose if the original lovers stay together. This wouldn't contradict DC that much, and would still bring up this "traitor in the town" you like so much.

[Tanner-kun]

Agreed It is to hard to win as lovers.

BTW: since the traitors are voting you Callid, do you want to just forfeit the game now?

[Schillok]

Its should not be that had to win...

As Callid said, there would be no reason for Yumi to decide for lovers with this ruleset, since they will be her enemies 100% of the time. Nor would Yumi have any interest in keeping them alive - or their identities a secret.

And seriously... would Hakuba kill someone just because he is in love with another person? Or Mitsuhiko? Or Eisuke? Megure? Sonoko? No.
Neither would Araide or Okina. (... maybe Okina, since canon-wise it is not clear who he really is...)


Seriously, I don't care how this game ends. That's why I am in England. The BO is defeated, and 7 townpeople are still alive.
It is a win for the town. Together with the lovers.

[Callid]

Its should not be that had to win...

As Callid said, there would be no reason for Yumi to decide for lovers with this ruleset, since they will be her enemies 100% of the time. Nor would Yumi have any interest in keeping them alive - or their identities a secret.

And seriously... would Hakuba kill someone just because he is in love with another person? Or Mitsuhiko? Or Eisuke? Megure? Sonoko? No.
Neither would Araide or Okina. (... maybe Okina, since canon-wise it is not clear who he really is...)


Seriously, I don't care how this game ends. That's why I am in England. The BO is defeated, and 7 townpeople are still alive.
It is a win for the town. Together with the lovers.

I agree. Actually, to me this game ended when I claimed the town victory. No matter what Sakina says 
But, actually I'd really like to see his reaction when the whole town and the lovers decide not to kill anyone 

[Tanner-kun]

Its should not be that had to win...

As Callid said, there would be no reason for Yumi to decide for lovers with this ruleset, since they will be her enemies 100% of the time. Nor would Yumi have any interest in keeping them alive - or their identities a secret.

And seriously... would Hakuba kill someone just because he is in love with another person? Or Mitsuhiko? Or Eisuke? Megure? Sonoko? No.
Neither would Araide or Okina. (... maybe Okina, since canon-wise it is not clear who he really is...)


Seriously, I don't care how this game ends. That's why I am in England. The BO is defeated, and 7 townpeople are still alive.
It is a win for the town. Together with the lovers.

I agree. Actually, to me this game ended when I claimed the town victory. No matter what Sakina says 
But, actually I'd really like to see his reaction when the whole town and the lovers decide not to kill anyone 

unfortunately there are traitors though.

[Callid]

unfortunately there are traitors though.

Yes 

[Conia]

Its should not be that had to win...

As Callid said, there would be no reason for Yumi to decide for lovers with this ruleset, since they will be her enemies 100% of the time. Nor would Yumi have any interest in keeping them alive - or their identities a secret.

And seriously... would Hakuba kill someone just because he is in love with another person? Or Mitsuhiko? Or Eisuke? Megure? Sonoko? No.
Neither would Araide or Okina. (... maybe Okina, since canon-wise it is not clear who he really is...)


Seriously, I don't care how this game ends. That's why I am in England. The BO is defeated, and 7 townpeople are still alive.
It is a win for the town. Together with the lovers.

I agree. Actually, to me this game ended when I claimed the town victory. No matter what Sakina says  :P
But, actually I'd really like to see her reaction when the whole town and the lovers decide not to kill anyone  ;D

Me too, I gotta admit

[Tanner-kun]

Its should not be that had to win...

As Callid said, there would be no reason for Yumi to decide for lovers with this ruleset, since they will be her enemies 100% of the time. Nor would Yumi have any interest in keeping them alive - or their identities a secret.

And seriously... would Hakuba kill someone just because he is in love with another person? Or Mitsuhiko? Or Eisuke? Megure? Sonoko? No.
Neither would Araide or Okina. (... maybe Okina, since canon-wise it is not clear who he really is...)


Seriously, I don't care how this game ends. That's why I am in England. The BO is defeated, and 7 townpeople are still alive.
It is a win for the town. Together with the lovers.

I agree. Actually, to me this game ended when I claimed the town victory. No matter what Sakina says  :P
But, actually I'd really like to see her reaction when the whole town and the lovers decide not to kill anyone  ;D

Me too, I gotta admit

Traitor says what? now I'm confused, Is baru-kun and I gonna get lynched or not?

[Callid]

I've done my lynching and am going offline now. I'll see the results tomorrow...

[Sakina]

The current lover ruling is simply absurd, and while your ruling artificially removes some of the problems, some aren't resolved. If I were Yumi with this (or your) ruling, I'd simply "forget" to tell the GM any pairings, so no townspeople get lovers (and are lost for the town). Also, like in this game, Sonoko becomes a very strange role. I don't think it's fitting (especially not for Sonoko) to kill your best friend...
Not to mention that this doesn't fit DC at all. If I remember right, Shinichi does only try to bring down the BO - and not to kill anyone around him so that he can be alone with Ran.
And don't forget that it's simply unfair to the lovers, as they start from a terrible position (I estimated the winning chance of me and Xcommando at less than 1% at the start of the game).

Absurd?  Absurd for trying to make the lovers actually try to win?  If I didn't make the lovers their own little faction then the game would be too easy for the town to win.  The lovers are a bit of a wild card and in my opinion, make the game more interesting.  Most of the time they support the town but then eventually they will betray you.  You can trust them only so far but you need to trust them at least a bit in order to win. 

Don't even try to compare Mafia to DC canon.  We had Akai screwing Kaito in the last round.  If Sonoko wants to kill her best friend in Mafia, so be it.  And yes, Shinichi doesn't try to lynch people.  But if you had a problem with Shinichi lynching people then you should have brought it up in the first game, hm?  It's been like that ever since so there's no point complaining about it now.

Unfair to the lovers?  I think they're fairly evenly balanced.  If I look at the list of players, you and xcommando are still currently alive.  Yes the odds might have been against you, but how can you still be complaining about that when you're this close to a lover's victory.  Also, I stand by the anonymous quote, "67% of all statistics are made up." 

[Tanner-kun]

"67% of all statistics are made up." 

How do we know that's not one of them.

[xpon]

YOU LYING TRAITORS!!! we trusted you to help for a stale mate. You all promised to help get a stalemate, but were not honorable enough to stick to your words. Well the lynch will show what people I can and can't trust with such things like this.

BTW: xpon I don't think its safe to have a alliance from the start, as I don't know what we would do if one of us was a org member.

yup.....


so.. we'll act like we keep a little secrets okay ha ha ha

but thanks for not deceiving me....