Mafia Mafia Mafia! Pt. 3! (Game 5: Stalemate - no winner)

[Kleene Onigiri]

Can't we just end this? All the townspeople know the lovers, and I'm sure we will lynch them in the next 2 days, so why bother?

It can end in one lynching if one of the lovers is chosen to be lynched

Oops, you're right. I got to to study Mafia rules for modding next game

You should also note that if nobody is lynched today then the game will end in a stalemate and do to my apparently very stupid rules, the lovers will win.  Funny how that works out.

In your roles, you just stated that the lover will win in a stalemate between BO and Town. Not in a town and lovers stalemate there are no fixed rules for that occasion.

Btw, there was no surprise in that outcome O.o" at least not for me.

Can't we just end this? All the townspeople know the lovers, and I'm sure we will lynch them in the next 2 days, so why bother?

It can end in one lynching if one of the lovers is chosen to be lynched

Oops, you're right. I got to to study Mafia rules for modding next game

You should also note that if nobody is lynched today then the game will end in a stalemate and do to my apparently very stupid rules, the lovers will win.  Funny how that works out.

the important question is, will the lovers be the only winners or will the town and lovers win?

Make it a draw?
Since in the BO vs. town stalemate, the 3. party wins. Here there are just 2 parties left, so it's a draw?

[Callid]

You should also note that if nobody is lynched today then the game will end in a stalemate and do to my apparently very stupid rules, the lovers will win.  Funny how that works out.

Actually not. For a stalemate it's necessary that it's impossible that the current state will change; the situation is gridlocked. This is true if we have the same number of voters on both sides. However, it's a 5 vs. 2, and therefore apparently not a stalemate. It may be a draw if noone decides to lynch, but it's certainly not a stalemate, and therefore the lovers do not win.

[Akonyl]

well all I know is that I'm voting to lynch callid like I was since the beginning of the game.

[Conia]

Me too

[Kleene Onigiri]

Just play on! I wanna see BLOOD! >D

[Akonyl]

Me too

I'm bein serious though

the entire game I'd been planning on killing him after all was said and done, but Schillok's ability to be unlynchable threw a wrench in that plan.

[Conia]

Me too

I'm bein serious though

the entire game I'd been planning on killing him after all was said and done, but Schillok's ability to be unlynchable threw a wrench in that plan.

Me too
Really, I'm also serious. We lynch Callid, lovers die, Town win (unless a poor lover arises)

[Callid]

well all I know is that I'm voting to lynch callid like I was since the beginning of the game.

Me too

Traitors!
Hmm, no it depends on pofa and blurfbreg. If only one of them is also voting for the unlynchable Schillok, you won't be successful.

[Conia]

Don't worry, they won't

[Akonyl]

well all I know is that I'm voting to lynch callid like I was since the beginning of the game.

Me too

Traitors!
Hmm, no it depends on pofa and blurfbreg. If only one of them is also voting for the unlynchable Schillok, you won't be successful.

what if I get xcommando to lynch you?

It wouldn't exactly be out of character.

[blurfbreg]

Uh... the dilemma seems to be a very childish one. Even when everyone was talking about the plan (that's about to happen today) through PM, it seemed stupid. The problem is that we want both lovers and townspeople to win, but the rules that we have made doesn't allow it to be so (it's no straw man fallacy here). How about we just end the game (because the rules doesn't allow one of the sides to win) and ignore the rules knowing (in our own minds) that both lovers and townspeople have won this round?

And for the next round, how about we have a more definite ruling on this topic so that the lovers would act a little against the town (if that is what makes the game more interesting)?



The lovers would be like the renegade in the board game called "BANG!". Except for the part that there's only one renegade, he/she tries to take down the sheriff (one only; role known to all), deputies (2-3; role known to self), and the bandits (3-4; role known to self). He/she has to kill them all in a way that doesn't lead to the sheriff's death (even though he is quite powerful) without any bandit help (because they just want the sheriff dead). He has to act like the good guy AND the bad guy to win the game. This requires so much guile from the player that I haven't even gotten the hang of the role yet

The analogy of renegade in BANG! resembles lovers in our game of mafia. But poor Yumi... what will ever make her want to NOT tell anyone the secret? and how will the lovers even have a chance to win when they can't kill anyone by themselves?



But I agree with Kleene Onigiri; I want to see some more virtual blood!!!

[Akonyl]

But I agree with Kleene Onigiri; I want to see some more virtual blood!!!

we get the most blood for our buck if you lynch callid. :O

[Conia]

Uh... the dilemma seems to be a very childish one. Even when everyone was talking about the plan (that's about to happen today) through PM, it seemed stupid. The problem is that we want both lovers and townspeople to win, but the rules that we have made doesn't allow it to be so (it's no straw man fallacy here). How about we just end the game (because the rules doesn't allow one of the sides to win) and ignore the rules knowing (in our own minds) that both lovers and townspeople have won this round?

And for the next round, how about we have a more definite ruling on this topic so that the lovers would act a little against the town (if that is what makes the game more interesting)?

don't worry, things will change next Round

[Tanner-kun]

YOU LYING TRAITORS!!! we trusted you to help for a stale mate. You all promised to help get a stalemate, but were not honorable enough to stick to your words. Well the lynch will show what people I can and can't trust with such things like this.

BTW: xpon I don't think its safe to have a alliance from the start, as I don't know what we would do if one of us was a org member.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I know what will happen this round:

Schillok is out of japan, chilling on Haiti.

Akonly got my mask and is disguising himself. So even if you try to lynch him, you won't be able to find and kill him. He will vote for Callid for the lulz.

Callid will be drunk on Bourbon. He'll forget to vote.

Xcommando will try out his new medic-grenade, which failed and makes him pass out for 1 round. So he didn't vote either.

Pofa and blurfbreg will try to make a "draw" aka "both sides win". So they will have to kill a non lover for that. Thus they will vote for each other.

Votes:

Schillok: -
Callid: -
Xcommando: -
Akonyl: Callid
Pofa: blurfbreg
blurfbreg: Pofa

no one dies this round

@lovers:
I liked it the way when the lovers don't win when the BO or the Town wins. (like when Akonyl and me were lovers). This way the lovers have to kill of towns, but also BOs, so it's evenly matched (i think a stalemate between BO vs town happened once and the lovers won)
This way they are a threat for both sides, but they can still make a deal with either BO or town if they are discovered by someone. (because the BO could use them to convince the town and to have more votes on their side. Also, if the town kills the lover, they will have a disadvantage against the BO, because they will lack the manpower)

I also suggested to sakina, that Yumi doesn't choose just 1 pair, but 2-3 (or more). (But I think she didn't do that for this game, because I pmed her that during prep-phase) The GM chooses a random pairing (or 2-3 parings, depending on the size of the game). This way Yumi doesn't know for sure who the lovers are, so it will be more fair for the lovers to be hidden.
The BO could also abuse that, and PM people with "I think that and that player are lovers, let's lynch them". This makes it more interesting too

edit: I forgot conia D: well... he's to busy working on the next round, so he'll forget to vote too :x