Mafia Mafia Mafia! Pt. 3! (Game 5: Stalemate - no winner)

[Akonyl]

If someone is arrested it wont show what his/her role.

OK, sorry. I should have remembered that from last time.

In that case, if we want to take immediate action, lynching might be a better idea than arrest, because at least we won't remove two Townies from the game...

Or we could follow Schillok's plan and have some people continue investigate Kleene tonight. However, if a policeman or meitantei finds out that Kleene has the Investigate ability, won't that person have to arrest her for being Kid?

and, a lot of people who can investigate happen to be police and could arrest Kid.

I'll say lynching Kleene sounds like a good idea. If she turns out to be kid, then Schillok can say who to arrest for any police out there. If this then ends up failing and the police officer is discharged from the force, then we can lynch Schillok tomorrow.

[Schillok]

If someone is arrested it wont show what his/her role.

OK, sorry. I should have remembered that from last time.

In that case, if we want to take immediate action, lynching might be a better idea than arrest, because at least we won't remove two Townies from the game...

Or we could follow Schillok's plan and have some people continue investigate Kleene tonight. However, if a policeman or meitantei finds out that Kleene has the Investigate ability, won't that person have to arrest her for being Kid?

Well, we would have to ask Sakina for that as well. She is the GM, she makes the rules.
If Kleene has the investor ability it would not prove she is kid, right? You would have to trust me that she is disguised, believe that my dream is true. And any character could investigate using Agasas watch (in theory). So... probably not, if you ask me. But that is not my choice.  



Well, this is the list of the remaining players.
pofa
Xcommando
TheBlind
Akonyl
Kleene Onigiri
Callid
Holmes
conia
blurfbreg
Beastly
Commi-Ninja
mangaluva
Schillok


So, beside Kleene, is there anyone else suspicious? It is my only good lead so far (and the second Ran), so I am open for better suggestions.

I'll say lynching Kleene sounds like a good idea. If she turns out to be kid, then Schillok can say who to arrest for any police out there. If this then ends up failing and the police officer is discharged from the force, then we can lynch Schillok tomorrow.

I am okay with that. Because I believe that dream is true.

[blurfbreg]

If someone is arrested it wont show what his/her role.

OK, sorry. I should have remembered that from last time.

In that case, if we want to take immediate action, lynching might be a better idea than arrest, because at least we won't remove two Townies from the game...

Or we could follow Schillok's plan and have some people continue investigate Kleene tonight. However, if a policeman or meitantei finds out that Kleene has the Investigate ability, won't that person have to arrest her for being Kid?

Actually, if we follow Schillok's plan, we would have to investigate the specific person that was investigated by Kleene. This means that if Kleene never investigated Schillok, then the result would be false, even though she might have investigated other people. Unless we have a large investigative force, it would be impossible to figure out (definitively) that Kleene is KID.

A little funny note: Ctu just happens to be Yumi again... unless our great Sakina has planned this to happen (to throw us off).

[pofa]

If someone is arrested it wont show what his/her role.

OK, sorry. I should have remembered that from last time.

In that case, if we want to take immediate action, lynching might be a better idea than arrest, because at least we won't remove two Townies from the game...

Or we could follow Schillok's plan and have some people continue investigate Kleene tonight. However, if a policeman or meitantei finds out that Kleene has the Investigate ability, won't that person have to arrest her for being Kid?

Actually, if we follow Schillok's plan, we would have to investigate the specific person that was investigated by Kleene. This means that if Kleene never investigated Schillok, then the result would be false, even though she might have investigated other people. Unless we have a large investigative force, it would be impossible to figure out (definitively) that Kleene is KID.

That's true. I suppose Kleene couldn't tell us "I will investigate x" because, if (as Schillok says) an investigator has already confirmed that she's in disguise, that would be admitting she's Kid.

Someone could agree on the open thread to submit to an investigation...but maybe that would be too close to loopholing the rules...plus, that person would probably be a target for the BO because they would want to keep suspicion on Kleene if she's Kid.

[Schillok]

Actually, if we follow Schillok's plan, we would have to investigate the specific person that was investigated by Kleene. This means that if Kleene never investigated Schillok, then the result would be false, even though she might have investigated other people. Unless we have a large investigative force, it would be impossible to figure out (definitively) that Kleene is KID.

That's true. I suppose Kleene couldn't tell us "I will investigate x" because, if (as Schillok says) an investigator has already confirmed that she's in disguise, that would be admitting she's Kid.

Someone could agree on the open thread to submit to an investigation...but maybe that would be too close to loopholing the rules...plus, that person would probably be a target for the BO because they would want to keep suspicion on Kleene if she's Kid.

We can just decide on one target and announce it in public (I suggest... mangaluva as the target for Kleene). If Kleene can investigate it is in her best interest to do so. It is her only way to prove she is not Vermouth.
Otherwise I guess if there really is an Haibara she would be an even better way to tell if Kleene is BO or not. Interrogation may fail on Vermouth, but not the scent. But then again, if we decide for that plan we need someone else to lynch today...

[Kleene Onigiri]

If Vermouth and 1412 are somehow in the same game and somehow choose the same person to disguise as, they will both disguise as the same role and the targeted individual will get a new role.

The real Ran and the one disguised as her can never exist in the game together.  There's only one situation in which there can be two. 

So, hang on--the only way there can be two Rans in one game is if they're both false (Vermouth and Kid)?

That's correct.

Eww... if I had know that I would have used a completely different strategy.

Can't we just arrest both Rans? Catching Kaito Kid seems fine to me.  Catching Vermouth with him is even better. 

@Sakina: So in the current situation Kleene is arrested if she is Kid automatically at the end of turn? And then the true Vermouth could be arrested by an officer at the beginning of the night? (If there is an officer left)
And if she is not arrested at the end of the turn we would know she is Vermouth for sure and I could keep the identity of Kid a secret? I mean... I have no waterproof evidence against him, just a dream. 


But as I said: If someone has a better target for todays lynching unauthorized trial of a BO member, I would love to hear that. Since the real Vermouth is lacking the investigation powers all we would have to do is to check if Kleene investigates Schillok tonight. If she doesn't... it's Vermouth.
Just... this is all I know. I have no other suspects so far,,,

Wait, even if it happens that I won't be arrested after the day, this doesn't mean that I'm vermouth for sure! It could be that there are no more police officers ingame and I wasn't arrested because of that!


I'll do as Schillok said concerning the investigation.

I told Sherry that she should follow me today. If she'll do that or not, I can't say. But still, since I know Sherry and she didn't die that night. Wouldn't that speak in favor for me? Considering she's the one of the greatest dangers for Vermouth and the BO in general?

Well, I can't hinder anyone to vote for me. But if you want to check me for my innocence and need another target, I'd tell you my lynching vote:
I'd go for Callid today. Stating that he's Okiya from the beginning and considering, that Okiya and Bourbon have the same ability/characteristics, and that it's practically impossible to separate the 2 roles (as long as you don't get him investigated and find out that he killed someone ofc)
He also didn't die after 2 nights.... makes him even more suspicious for me. Even tho Callid states that his ability isn't good (or not the best) it's still a burden for the BO.
Even if Callid is really Okiya and we accidentally kill him with the lynching, this would still make it easier for Sherry. Because if she get's a scent (after Akai and Okiya are dead) she can be 100% sure that this person would be a BO.

[Schillok]

Talking about Callid, Okiya and Bourbon:

As promised, I'll go for Vermouth (or does anyone has a better idea?).

Can you go for Gin instead? Knowing if a slanderer is in the game would be more helpful right now.

As suggested, I'll go for Gin (or does anyone has another idea?).

What was the result of that investigation?
As I said, it would be more useful to know about him in this situation...

Wait, even if it happens that I won't be arrested after the day, this doesn't mean that I'm vermouth for sure! It could be that there are no more police officers ingame and I wasn't arrested because of that!


I'll do as Schillok said concerning the investigation.

I told Sherry that she should follow me today. If she'll do that or not, I can't say. But still, since I know Sherry and she didn't die that night. Wouldn't that speak in favor for me? Considering she's the one of the greatest dangers for Vermouth and the BO in general?

Well, I can't hinder anyone to vote for me. But if you want to check me for my innocence and need another target, I'd tell you my lynching vote:
I'd go for Callid today. Stating that he's Okiya from the beginning and considering, that Okiya and Bourbon have the same ability/characteristics, and that it's practically impossible to separate the 2 roles (as long as you don't get him investigated and find out that he killed someone ofc)
He also didn't die after 2 nights.... makes him even more suspicious for me. Even tho Callid states that his ability isn't good (or not the best) it's still a burden for the BO.
Even if Callid is really Okiya and we accidentally kill him with the lynching, this would still make it easier for Sherry. Because if she get's a scent (after Akai and Okiya are dead) she can be 100% sure that this person would be a BO.

There is no way to say Sherry (Sherry? You mean Haibara, right?) is in the game yet, is there? I mean, beside your claim that you contacted her.

If Haibara were to reveal herself and defend you things would be different. If you told the truth. (In that case Haibara should better hurry up, it is getting late again....)

At the moment I don't see a real reason to mistrust Callid. All the Detective Boys would have to do is to interrogate him during day and we will know for sure. Not even Gin could help him then. If he is in the game.

[Sakina]

Actually, if you want to be picky, Sherry is more correct than Haibara. 

Sherry(Ai), shrunken scientist

    * Has a strong sense of the BO. She may accompany anyone during the day and the accompanied will learn that Ai accompanied them. If the accompanied is either Akai, Okiya, or from the BO, Ai will get the impression that he's from the BO.  Ai cannot be fouled by a disguise or by a slander.  Anokata has no scent.

[Callid]

Talking about Callid, Okiya and Bourbon:

As promised, I'll go for Vermouth (or does anyone has a better idea?).

Can you go for Gin instead? Knowing if a slanderer is in the game would be more helpful right now.

As suggested, I'll go for Gin (or does anyone has another idea?).

What was the result of that investigation?
As I said, it would be more useful to know about him in this situation...

I'm sorry for answering that late, but as you know, Friday is the day where I'm not able to go online before 23:00. See also the game I moderated^^

Ooops. I just noticed I really went for Vermouth.    Completely forgot about it when I told my Best Friend (Yes, I know Sonoko) about  the information send to me. Well, considering the situation this might be a lucky mistake of mine. And yes, there IS a Vermouth in the game.
Stupid me. I'll go for Gin know. *sigh* - or, wait, should I better go for 1412?

Kleene also contacted me, stating she were Ran. However, there are no suspicious wordings in here writing (although this does not need to mean anything). And I know she uses a certain "form" of her "revealing message", no matter whom she contacts.

I'm really not sure whom to lynch...
Well, I think we should decide now if we want to lynch Kleene or not. If not, we'll have to select another target.

[Schillok]

Ooops. I just noticed I really went for Vermouth.    Completely forgot about it when I told my Best Friend (Yes, I know Sonoko) about  the information send to me. Well, considering the situation this might be a lucky mistake of mine. And yes, there IS a Vermouth in the game.
Stupid me. I'll go for Gin know. *sigh* - or, wait, should I better go for 1412?

No need to go for 1412. He is in the game.

Kleene also contacted me, stating she were Ran. However, there are no suspicious wordings in here writing (although this does not need to mean anything). And I know she uses a certain "form" of her "revealing message", no matter whom she contacts.

I'm really not sure whom to lynch...
Well, I think we should decide now if we want to lynch Kleene or not. If not, we'll have to select another target.

I am not sure either. As you said, we would need another target (and soon!) that is suspicious to concentrate on instead. And confirm about Kleenes identity the night.
I guess I got the same message. As did a lot of other people, probably.

Otherwise I suggest to go for Kleene. It is a 50:50 chance she is BO. Even if some of her suspicious behavior makes sense now, it is better than a random player which is more likely town... And as long as there is another Officer we can arrest the real Vermouth this night if my suspicion against Kleene was wrong.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Talking about Callid, Okiya and Bourbon:

As promised, I'll go for Vermouth (or does anyone has a better idea?).

Can you go for Gin instead? Knowing if a slanderer is in the game would be more helpful right now.

As suggested, I'll go for Gin (or does anyone has another idea?).

What was the result of that investigation?
As I said, it would be more useful to know about him in this situation...

I'm sorry for answering that late, but as you know, Friday is the day where I'm not able to go online before 23:00. See also the game I moderated^^

Ooops. I just noticed I really went for Vermouth.  :-[  Completely forgot about it when I told my Best Friend (Yes, I know Sonoko) about  the information send to me. Well, considering the situation this might be a lucky mistake of mine. And yes, there IS a Vermouth in the game.
Stupid me. I'll go for Gin know. *sigh* - or, wait, should I better go for 1412?

Kleene also contacted me, stating she were Ran. However, there are no suspicious wordings in here writing (although this does not need to mean anything). And I know she uses a certain "form" of her "revealing message", no matter whom she contacts.

I'm really not sure whom to lynch...
Well, I think we should decide now if we want to lynch Kleene or not. If not, we'll have to select another target.

Well, anyone can deduct now that there is a Vermouth and KID in the game....
So either you just forgot to change your investigation about vermouth... or you simply don't want to tell whether there is Gin or not?

And I know she uses a certain "form" of her "revealing message"

guess that's called laziness :x

[Tanner-kun]

Talking about Callid, Okiya and Bourbon:

As promised, I'll go for Vermouth (or does anyone has a better idea?).

Can you go for Gin instead? Knowing if a slanderer is in the game would be more helpful right now.

As suggested, I'll go for Gin (or does anyone has another idea?).

What was the result of that investigation?
As I said, it would be more useful to know about him in this situation...

I'm sorry for answering that late, but as you know, Friday is the day where I'm not able to go online before 23:00. See also the game I moderated^^

Ooops. I just noticed I really went for Vermouth.  :-[  Completely forgot about it when I told my Best Friend (Yes, I know Sonoko) about  the information send to me. Well, considering the situation this might be a lucky mistake of mine. And yes, there IS a Vermouth in the game.
Stupid me. I'll go for Gin know. *sigh* - or, wait, should I better go for 1412?

Kleene also contacted me, stating she were Ran. However, there are no suspicious wordings in here writing (although this does not need to mean anything). And I know she uses a certain "form" of her "revealing message", no matter whom she contacts.

I'm really not sure whom to lynch...
Well, I think we should decide now if we want to lynch Kleene or not. If not, we'll have to select another target.

Well, anyone can deduct now that there is a Vermouth and KID in the game....
So either you just forgot to change your investigation about vermouth... or you simply don't want to tell whether there is Gin or not?

Hes time zone prevented it so he couldn't.

[Callid]

So either you just forgot to change your investigation about vermouth... or you simply don't want to tell whether there is Gin or not?

Hes time zone prevented it so he couldn't.

No, Kleene is right, I forgot it. But anyway, if I hadn't wanted to tell you who Gin is, I had simply refused Schillok's request and stated that I promised Vermouth. Would have been a lot easier (and less suspicious).

[Tanner-kun]

I say that we don't lynch kleen as if the is kid than Erie can let him out of jail. instead lets find a deferant target to lynch.

I was wondering what happened to the agreement me and xpon made? I'm close to finding out a member but need a slight amount of info, well at least 2 or 3 members will be relieved when I find the remaining DB and their results.

[pofa]

Do you know there's an Eri in the game?