Mafia Mafia Mafia! Pt. 3! (Game 5: Stalemate - no winner)

[Conia]

I agree with Schillok, that list looks very convenient to you xpon.

anyway, I'm gonna go with callid being okiya for now at least, due to him agreeing with my xpon suspicions.

I'm with that to.

[Schillok]

On the other hand, Callid seems suspicious too! He posted his role freely without any suspicion on him, just after night 1! And saying you're Okiya and telling, that you found out that there is Bourbon is fishy. It could be that you're Bourbon and try to look like Okiya (especially since they have the same ability and both have a scent).
And I still remember round 3 where you tricked me into believing you that you're takagi T-T So i'm always confused when you do something strange :p

There is suspicion on me. Read what Schillok wrote. And there's no need for me to worry about the BO. It doesn't make sense to kill the weakest role in the game, that'd be a wasted shot for them. Therefore I'm saver with my role revealed - unless you lynch me, of course   So, why shouldn't I reveal it? Especially as I expect the BO to know of my existence anyway (as I tried my counterpart, Bourbon, first, he probably did so as well).
Of course, I could also be Bourbon trying to look like Okiya. However, I would have needed to test if there's an Okiya out there, and would have needed to get a "no" (as it would be stupid to assume a role somebody else might have). But of course, there's no way for me to prove that I'm Okiya, as there's no way to prove the opposite wrong (how should I?).
However, tonight I'll probably go for Vermouth (unless something will be revealed), so any police officer might confirm this ("Callid asked if Vermouth is in the game"). After this, at least noone will question that I'm anyone except Okiya or Bourbon. You might still kill me tomorrow anyway if I do not fulfil your expectations, after all 

Yeah, these were my reasonings as well.

There is of course also the possibility that you are Vermouth who disguised as Okiya. Then you would have not to be afraid of anyone else being Okiya in the game. There is no way for us to check this, not even by "scent". You searching for "Vermouth" would not prove anything either, there is no reason why you shouldn't search for your own identity to confuse us...

But honestly, you being Okiya is much more likely. And I agree the role is pretty weak...


Still, the main question is about xpon... how did you find out 5 people other than himself that he could remove from the list in just 1 night? You said that you couldn't reveal how you know it? You said your dead would prove the truth of your claims.

Seriously, in that situation you should have hold back on the information or only shared it with the ones you know you could trust. Since you didn't... it looks very suspicious.
It is better to explain yourself... before we have to take other measures if we can trust you or not.

[Kleene Onigiri]

whaa, how am I confusing you, I've hardly said anything at all in this topic.

That's why:

Who says I need to step into the light with you?

My deductions are magnificent, I don't need to team up with a silly detective like you.

Ha! Ha!

I was not asking for an alliance..why would I do such a silly thing like team up with someone that operates in the shadows? 
It would only prevent me from accomplishing my goal, exposing evil.

I must of failed to make it clear earlier, I am not asking for alliances, I stating I will remove everyone's mask in this battle. And that isn't something that would worry you...would it Akonyl?

totally.

Perhaps you don't recognize me, but I've already taken off my mask a few times in this thread. It was subtle though, and somewhat interweaved with my bored accusations during the prep phase.

;p

[CTU]

Who says I need to step into the light with you?

My deductions are magnificent, I don't need to team up with a silly detective like you.

Ha! Ha!

I was not asking for an alliance..why would I do such a silly thing like team up with someone that operates in the shadows? 
It would only prevent me from accomplishing my goal, exposing evil.

I must of failed to make it clear earlier, I am not asking for alliances, I stating I will remove everyone's mask in this battle. And that isn't something that would worry you...would it Akonyl?

you wont remove mine this game

Why are you hiding something 

just my minor townsfolk role

[mangaluva]

Who says I need to step into the light with you?

My deductions are magnificent, I don't need to team up with a silly detective like you.

Ha! Ha!

I was not asking for an alliance..why would I do such a silly thing like team up with someone that operates in the shadows? 
It would only prevent me from accomplishing my goal, exposing evil.

I must of failed to make it clear earlier, I am not asking for alliances, I stating I will remove everyone's mask in this battle. And that isn't something that would worry you...would it Akonyl?

you wont remove mine this game

Why are you hiding something 

just my minor townsfolk role

Suuuuuuuure.

[CTU]

Who says I need to step into the light with you?

My deductions are magnificent, I don't need to team up with a silly detective like you.

Ha! Ha!

I was not asking for an alliance..why would I do such a silly thing like team up with someone that operates in the shadows? 
It would only prevent me from accomplishing my goal, exposing evil.

I must of failed to make it clear earlier, I am not asking for alliances, I stating I will remove everyone's mask in this battle. And that isn't something that would worry you...would it Akonyl?

you wont remove mine this game

Why are you hiding something 

just my minor townsfolk role

Suuuuuuuure.

Yes it is true...I could tell you who I am, but I would require the same from you...with proof ( I would do the same, but you would have to go first


by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

[mangaluva]

Who says I need to step into the light with you?

My deductions are magnificent, I don't need to team up with a silly detective like you.

Ha! Ha!

I was not asking for an alliance..why would I do such a silly thing like team up with someone that operates in the shadows? 
It would only prevent me from accomplishing my goal, exposing evil.

I must of failed to make it clear earlier, I am not asking for alliances, I stating I will remove everyone's mask in this battle. And that isn't something that would worry you...would it Akonyl?

you wont remove mine this game

Why are you hiding something 

just my minor townsfolk role

Suuuuuuuure.

Yes it is true...I could tell you who I am, but I would require the same from you...with proof ( I would do the same, but you would have to go first


by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

I'm not letting you trick me into revealing my identity. You could be BO!

[Holmes]

I don´t know who to lynch and I don´t want random lynching 

[Callid]

by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

That's not allowed and would probably get you modkilled.

[pofa]

There is of course also the possibility that you are Vermouth who disguised as Okiya. Then you would have not to be afraid of anyone else being Okiya in the game. There is no way for us to check this, not even by "scent". You searching for "Vermouth" would not prove anything either, there is no reason why you shouldn't search for your own identity to confuse us...

This was my conclusion, too.

First I thought it is a hint pointing towards TheBlind, but since left is his good eye - the eye he uses to aim - I guess my first impression was wrong. Or maybe that is what the killer wants us to believe.
Maybe he was not pointing at his eye. Maybe he was pointing at his eyelid? The Japanese 1 (ichi), is written as 一 but Akai works for the american FBI, so why would he use such a message? I mean, 一 looks like a closed eye, covered by an eyelid. eyelid -> Callid.
This makes Callid my second suspect.

Crack theory:

Akai's right hand was pointing at his left eye and the number 一 was drawn on his forehead.  

The "--" does, in fact represent a closed eyelid. Specifically, it refers to Okiya, as his character design has his eyelids perpetually closed. Akai is indicating that there is a BO member in the game disguised as Okiya, and that this person killed him. The reason Akai was pointing at his left eye was to indicate that this person is NOT Burboun, since Scar Akai (who is Burboun according to a lot of people on this forum) looks just like him but has an injured RIGHT eye. The other option is Vermouth.

I agree with Schillok that Callid is suspicious.

[Sakina]

by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

That's not allowed and would probably get you modkilled.

This. 

In keeping with your analogy, government issued IDs are not to be abused and you will get your ass handed to you if you do so. 

Also, there exists this thing called photoshop...

[Akonyl]

by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

That's not allowed and would probably get you modkilled.

This. 

In keeping with your analogy, government issued IDs are not to be abused and you will get your ass handed to you if you do so. 

Also, there exists this thing called photoshop...

who needs photoshop when you can just edit the page content

Spoiler:

don't kill me :O

[Sakina]

by proof I mean I screen shot of the pm saying who you are (which is kinda like a gov issued ID in the game I guess )

That's not allowed and would probably get you modkilled.

This. 

In keeping with your analogy, government issued IDs are not to be abused and you will get your ass handed to you if you do so. 

Also, there exists this thing called photoshop...

who needs photoshop when you can just edit the page content

Spoiler:

don't kill me :O

Oh yea, I forgot about that. 

By the way Akonyl, I'm kind of confused about these pms you've been sending me..

Spoiler:

[Schillok]

First I thought it is a hint pointing towards TheBlind, but since left is his good eye - the eye he uses to aim - I guess my first impression was wrong. Or maybe that is what the killer wants us to believe.
Maybe he was not pointing at his eye. Maybe he was pointing at his eyelid? The Japanese 1 (ichi), is written as 一 but Akai works for the american FBI, so why would he use such a message? I mean, 一 looks like a closed eye, covered by an eyelid. eyelid -> Callid.
This makes Callid my second suspect.

Crack theory:

Akai's right hand was pointing at his left eye and the number 一 was drawn on his forehead.  

The "--" does, in fact represent a closed eyelid. Specifically, it refers to Okiya, as his character design has his eyelids perpetually closed. Akai is indicating that there is a BO member in the game disguised as Okiya, and that this person killed him. The reason Akai was pointing at his left eye was to indicate that this person is NOT Burboun, since Scar Akai (who is Burboun according to a lot of people on this forum) looks just like him but has an injured RIGHT eye. The other option is Vermouth.

I agree with Schillok that Callid is suspicious.

I wouldn't call Callid suspicious. Just that he isn't free of suspicion.
This is merely a possibility, an interpretation since there were no better leads. We don't even know if we can take serious what Sakina wrote there as the death scene. And of course to see his defense.

I don´t know who to lynch and I don´t want random lynching 

@Holmes: The town will inevitably lose without lynching. We might have officers for arresting, but chances for them to find out the identities and who performed the murderers are low. Though... I agree, it is very hard with so little information.

[Tanner-kun]

Ya I'm starting to believe that the org wrote it to confuse the town, and when Sakina said that the org could have wrote it, was probably a hint to say that they did wright it. Yes it is possible for them to suggest it done I did a similar thing killing with marshmallows one game, remember.