Yes, it's a mistranslation. Amanda's room was tidy and untouched, just like how Haibara described the BO handles their crime a panel ago, while Conan was continuing to talk about Kohji's messy room and the tab that was left running.blackmoon wrote:Not sure if it was a translation error but i somehow remember it as Amanda's room being clean and tidy with only the tab left running?Spoiler:
MeiTanteixX wrote:Yes, it's a mistranslation. Amanda's room was tidy and untouched, just like how Haibara described the BO handles their crime a panel ago, while Conan was continuing to talk about Kohji's messy room and the tab that was left running.blackmoon wrote:Not sure if it was a translation error but i somehow remember it as Amanda's room being clean and tidy with only the tab left running?Spoiler:
Zerozaki4869 wrote:To be honest I don't/can't imagine Kohji making the mirror message irrespective of whether his hand was shown on the site or not.
It sounds a pretty impossible proposition, the only two possible answers are
a) Kohji used the scissors like a chisel and gouged out the letters. Which sounds pretty impractical and tough to do. Now add with this that he had to make the message, throw away the mirror, fight with Rum, throw away the scissors, pick up the piece and again pick up the scissors.
Some suggest that he could have done the chiseling while already having thepiece in his hand, which is even tougher to accomplish.
b) Other's say he would have need to remove the whole backing, cut the letters and then put the other parts in the backing, then throw away the mirror , put down the scissors, pick the piece up, pick the scissors and fight with Rum. Here the aligmnment of the pieces in the mirror negates this possibility.
Plus Agasa did explain that one needs to cut it under water/constant waterflow so that some control can be exercised, but gouging won't allow you such control especially during a fight/flight instance.
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:Rumi's flashback from 1,033 is intended to make us think that she killed Kōji, and, thus, she is Rum, but if we go by Kōji's expressions and where he's looking—first in front of him, then to his left—during this flashback, I don't think this was from when Rum broke into the room, intent on killing Kōji... I don't think either of them would've stopped to chat... rather, this conversation between seems to be from before that... and that's not even getting into how out-of-context this could be... this flashback is simply too slanted against Rumi for her to be Rum. And considering how Rumi had been portrayed up to this flashback... it's even more evidence that he's out to portray her as the lead suspect in this arc mystery, just like he portrayed Jodie as the lead candidate to be Vermouth and Shūichi/Subaru as the lead candidate to be Bourbon, and just like how Gosho pushed the notion that Rena Mizunashi/Kir wasn't Hidemi Hondō. At the same time, Kanenori being so similar to Rei/Bourbon pushes suspicion on him. And unlike Jodie, Hyōe's police occupation was revealed to us from the start—his intro case featured him mentioning the NPA quite a bit, alluding to his role as Rei's superior. He, a police officer, pursuing Rumi, furthers the notion that she is a criminal worthy of attention from a high-ranking officer of the NPA, further implicating her and further exonerating him.
MeiTanteixX wrote:Do you truly think that Kuroda, who along with his exonerating portrayals has many incriminating portrayals in the narrative, is more likely to turn out to be Rum than Wakita, who despite his incriminating developments from a meta perspective has the least incriminating portrayals in the narrative?
Personally, I don't discredit the meta perspective as a conscious component in Gosho's mislead tactics, however, the narrative always takes the front row when it comes to misleading the reader for Gosho,... and so with that being said, I can't really see how someone like Kuroda, who is neither fully exonerated in the narrative nor freed from continuous Rum portrayals, can end up becoming Rum.
Zerozaki4869 wrote:What I find quite hilarious here is the misuse of the word "narrative."
Narrative means part of the story, that's all.
So concerning the current discourse,
a) The narrative exonerates Hoye big time. Firstly after he appeared Conan described him as "A suspicious man at first but in the end his actions were to ensure that justice is done." when Haibara asked about what really had been the matter with Kuroda.
b) Thanks to correct translation it is now universal that Kuroda was introduced an NPA guy with cognizance of Conan's abilities during his intro.
c) The very next case ensures that Haibara clears him off the scent and rationalizes that why he can't be Rum/BO member.
d) When he calls to Bourbon, the whole context of the call is made clear by mentioning of that "serial policewoman murder case." Also his stalking of Rumi can be attributed to the vigilant NPA officer doing his job.
e) When Kuroda calls to Komei , Komei behaves in fashion as if he doesn't know Rei.
So if anyone is really following the narrative, Hyoe is cleared off and his clearing off came step by step, mentioned with in the story.
The points a, b and c clearly sets the tone and any suspicious portrayal of Kuroda hasn't challenged this tone rather confirmed it.
Rumi has been portrayed as volatile, sadistic, morally grey, incriminating flashbacks, with APTX list and a possible trigger of Haibara. Haibara doesn't exonerate Rumi, rather tells Conan that Rumi is a good person and she won't tolerate badmouthing about her.(which is not a rational statment rather an emotional one, unlike Kuroda's case.)
As far as the story goes not a single character has shown anything coherent to exonerate Rumi from this certain charges.
Kanenori is being modelled after Bourbon and doing everything in Bourbonish way. He is just the rehash of Bourbon and has shown to be very much interested in Shinichi with no reason. Unlike Hoye there is no concious storytelling going on to exonerate Kanenori.
Instead non-Hoye narrative of this arc are incriminating Kanenori and Rumi while the Hoye narrative is exonerating Hoye.
TBF Hoye's innocence is stated clearly while Kanenori and Rumi's guilt is implied in a over the top fashion.
That is the narrative. The narrative doesn't make Hoye Rum, rather Rum's enemy aka Tsutomu by process of elimination.
What I find pretty common is that people use Conan's and Haibara's words/deductions out of the manga and claim that it was their(readers') interpretation not the narrative.
Key difference there though. Bourbon (as Amuro Tooru) & Vermouth (as Araide Tomoaki) was the "seemingly trustworthy", compared to Kuroda's "least distrustworthy" (which I would btw attribute to Wakita between the 3, if we are talking about the protagonists' trust, rather than the reader's).DCUniverseAficionado wrote:By my current estimation, Gosho is lining us up for the reveal that the seemingly least distrustworthy of the three, the police officer—just like the seemingly trustworthy doctor in the Vermouth arc—is our guy.
MeiTanteixX wrote:Key difference there though. Bourbon (as Amuro Tooru) & Vermouth (as Araide Tomoaki) was the "seemingly trustworthy", compared to Kuroda's "least distrustworthy" (which I would btw attribute to Wakita between the 3, if we are talking about the protagonists' trust, rather than the reader's).DCUniverseAficionado wrote:By my current estimation, Gosho is lining us up for the reveal that the seemingly least distrustworthy of the three, the police officer—just like the seemingly trustworthy doctor in the Vermouth arc—is our guy.
Gosho always made sure that there was no obvious suspicion thrown to the main antagonist by the protagonists, and if he brought up the truth as an option, like in the case of Kir arc with Mizunashi-Eisuke blood relation, he made sure it was fully dismissed with evidence, so that there's an actual twist value to it being true.
I wouldn't call Kuroda fully exonerated until Conan actively treats him as a dependable ally and/or verbally dismisses any chances of him being Rum with good reasons. In your said reference from File 925, Conan never settled down his suspicion on him like Haibara, but advised that they stay cautious around him, which is far from being fully exonerated. This is very similar to how Heiji was dismissing Jodie as Chris Vineyard, and Conan highlighting that they can't be too sure (File 343).
These details are very important take note of imo.
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